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A Further Inquiry into Obama's Origins
American Thinker ^ | 2-14-2010 | Jack Cashill - Commentary

Posted on 02/13/2010 10:29:40 PM PST by smoothsailing


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February 14, 2010

A Further Inquiry into Obama's Origins

By Jack Cashill

Last week I contributed an article to American Thinker on Obama's origins that evoked a good deal of informed response. In it, I argued that the failure of the mainstream media to document the first year of Barack Obama's life has rendered the media accounts of the year before his birth suspect.

Here is what we know about Obama's first year. On August 19, 1961, fifteen days after Obama's presumed birth, his mother, "Stanley Ann Dunham," enrolled for classes at the University of Washington at Seattle.

The apolitical Washington State historical blog HistoryLink confirms Ann's arrival in August 1961, identifies her Capitol Hill apartment in Seattle, names the courses she took, and documents an extended stay by Ann and little Obama into the summer of 1962.

Incredibly, not one of the mainstream media accounts I consulted -- including four book-length biographies, several long-form magazine and newspaper bios, Obama's official campaign biography, and Obama's 1995 memoir Dreams From My Father -- places Ann and Obama anywhere other than in Hawaii during that first year.

Given this collective failure and the Obama camp's squirrelly response to questions about his birth certificate, another look at the circumstances leading up to that birth is warranted. To restore logic and order to this investigation, I turn to a structure we know as Occam's Razor: "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate.'' This translates roughly as "Multiple variables are not to be posited without necessity." Let me start with the timeline and cast of characters.

Late summer, 1960

Stanley and Madelyn Dunham and 17-year-old daughter Stanley Ann (henceforth "Ann") leave the Seattle area for Hawaii. Ann does not want to go.

Fall, 1960

Ann enrolls at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where 23-year-old Barack Obama, Sr. is a student.

Spring semester, 1961

Ann fails to enroll at the University of Hawaii.

February 2, 1961

Barack Sr. and Ann marry in Maui.

August 4, 1961

Barack Obama is reportedly born in Honolulu's Kapiloani Hospital for Women and Children.

August 19, 1961

Ann Dunham enrolls at the University of Washington in Seattle.

Summer 1962

Ann and baby Obama return to Hawaii.

Fall 1962

Barack Sr. leaves for Harvard.

Spring 1963

Ann re-enrolls at the University of Hawaii.

January 1964

Ann files to divorce Barack Sr.

What follows are four possible scenarios to explain the circumstances of Obama's birth.  Each involves a different set of biological parents.

Ann Dunham and unknown Seattle male

In the original article, I floated the possibility that the progressive and adventurous 17-year-old Dunham was impregnated by a black man while the family was still living in the Seattle area. If so, this pregnancy could have prompted the family to uproot to Hawaii where no one knew them and where mixed-race babies were more accepted. 

Although this theory would make sense of the family's abrupt move to Hawaii and Ann's seemingly sudden departure to Seattle after Obama's birth, it introduces too many variables that I was unable to substantiate.

Barack Sr. and Ann Dunham

In football jargon, this scenario would be the ruling on the field. It stands until conclusive evidence can be found to overturn it. The most formal evidence for it is a divorce document issued in 1964, to wit, "[t]hat one child has been born to said Libellant and Libellee as issue of said marriage, to wit: BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, II, a son, born August 4, 1961." The libellant in question is Stanley Ann D. Obama. The libellee is Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. 

This document aligns with names and dates on the more questionable "certification of live birth" that the Obama campaign posted online, as well as with the newspaper postings soon after the August 4 birth.

This scenario conforms to the story line that the young Obama heard growing up from his mother and grandparents, namely that the brilliant, charismatic Barack Sr. had swept the quiet Ann off her feet, impregnated her, married her, and left reluctantly for Harvard after a year of nurturing baby Obama in Hawaii.

Propping up this narrative is chatty Hawaii Democratic congressman Neil Abercrombie, who knew Barack Sr. at the University of Hawaii. "Little Barry, that's what we called him," Abercrombie told the Chicago Tribune about baby Obama while "recalling his days with Obama Sr. and his future wife, Ann Dunham, at the University of Hawaii."

There could not have been many such "days." The most compelling evidence against this scenario is Ann's documented enrollment at the University of Washington immediately after Obama's reported birth and Barack Sr.'s departure for Harvard immediately upon Ann's return to Hawaii. 

In addition, all details about the marriage remain elusive. Obama himself writes in Dreams, "In fact, how and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I've never quite had the courage to explore."

A couple marries in a different county like Maui to keep the notification out of the local news. No one attended the wedding -- not Abercrombie, not Ann's parents. In fact, no one in Barack Sr.'s clique seemed to know there was a relationship, let alone a wedding. 

Neil Abercrombie's brother Hal never saw Ann and Barack Sr. together. Another clique member, Pake Zane, who had distinct memories of the outsized Barack Sr., could not recall Ann at all. If the young couple were making their home on Kalanianole Hwy. as the newspaper announcements claim, some friend should have at least remembered.

When Abercrombie and Zane visited their pal in Nairobi in 1968, Barack Sr. shocked them by not inquiring at all about his wife and then-six-year-old child (although he would visit the Dunhams four years later). In July 2008, speaking at a university roundtable, Michelle Obama said of Barack's mother that she was "very young and very single when she had him." This may not have been a slip of the tongue.

At least a few respondents to the last article cited the likeness of Obama to his half-brother, Mark Ndesandjo, also mothered by a white woman, as proof of Barack Sr.'s biological paternity. Beyond color, I do not see any particular resemblance (photo here). The adult Obama does not look like Barack Sr., and as Abercrombie concedes, he does not sound at all like him either.

Stanley Dunham and unknown black woman

The evidence for this scenario is all circumstantial. "You know," Stanley's brother Ralph has said of Obama, "he looks exactly like Stanley. He looks exactly like my brother, only he's dark." Admittedly, grandsons can look like their grandfathers, but Ralph is right.  The similarity between the two is striking.

The photo below, likely taken upon Barack Sr.'s departure for Harvard in 1962, shows not only Stanley's stunning resemblance to Obama, but also his inexplicable fondness for a black man who allegedly knocked up his daughter and is now abandoning her and his grandson. This photo is not an anomaly. As Obama recounts in Dreams, "Gramps" has only good things to say about his prodigal son-in-law.



One other critical bit of evidence for this theory is a poem Obama wrote as a 19-year-old called "Pop." The poem begins:

Sitting in his seat, a seat broad and broken


In, sprinkled with ashes,


Pop switches channels, takes another


Shot of Seagrams, neat, and asks


What to do with me, a green young man

As I reported last week, most reviewers think this poem is about Stanley Dunham, and with some cause. "I can still picture Gramps leaning back in his old stuffed chair after dinner," writes Obama in Dreams, "sipping whiskey and cleaning his teeth with the cellophane from his cigarette pack."

If "Pop" refers to Gramps, then Obama seems to be confronting him with the recognition that Gramps is actually his father. Obama calls the poem "Pop," after all, not "Gramps."

"Under my seat, I pull out the
 Mirror I've been saving," writes Obama. Yes, the two look alike and they smell alike. Pop has big ears, and he even has "the same amber
 stain on his shorts that I've got on mine." The poem ends with bittersweet reconciliation when Pop stands and asks for a hug. Writes Obama:

I see my face, framed within

Pop's black-framed glasses

And know he's laughing too.

Gramps did wear black-frame glasses, and as to the "amber stain" reference, more on that later.

The mother in this scenario would have to have been black. Obama tells us in Dreams that Gramps frequented otherwise-all-black bars and hung out with the card-carrying communist Frank Marshall Davis, an African-American with Kansas and Chicago roots. In communist circles, the sharing of sex partners was not uncommon. 

If a black woman, perhaps a friend of Davis's, gave birth to a child of Dunham's, Barack Sr. would have obliged the Dunhams by marrying Ann and claiming paternity in return for all the potential benefits of having an American wife and baby. 

We also know that Stanley Dunham so desperately wanted a boy that he named his only child "Stanley Ann." Raising the young Obama would fulfill that desire. It would also explain the special relationship between him and Obama and the subsequent coolness of Obama's grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, or "Toot," to the whole charade. It might also explain Ann's distance from her presumed son, whom she would desert for long periods to advance her career.

This theory makes sense of the secret marriage in Maui, Stanley's enduring fondness for Barack Sr., the powerful resemblance between Stanley Dunham and Obama, and the Dunhams' apparent willingness to subsidize mother and baby in Seattle. 

What remains unclear is what Ann would get out of the deal. True, she never wanted to leave Seattle in the first place, and Obama would have been (in this scenario) her little brother, but the burdens she would have assumed do not seem balanced by the benefits gained. This scenario also introduces one major unsubstantiated variable: the unknown black mother.

Ann Dunham and Frank Marshall Davis

Several of the respondents to last week's article, including a literary analyst I have previously referred to as Mr. West, argued for a relationship between Ann Dunham and Frank Marshall Davis. Although there is no particular physical resemblance between Obama and Davis other than color -- the undeniable resemblance is to Stanley Dunham -- there are some other connections worth pursuing.

An outspoken progressive, 17-year-old Ann arrived in Hawaii in 1960 angry and rebellious. She did not want to be there. An affair with the married, 54-year-old Davis would have suited her politics and sated her need for revenge. In 1946, Davis, then 40, married a 21-year-old white socialite. Young white women obviously did not scare him off -- not by a long shot.

This is all speculative and would be wildly so were it not for the poem "Pop." The whiskey-drinking, the smoking, the dispensing of sage advice, and the black-frame glasses fit Davis as well as they do Stanley Dunham. "I was intrigued by old Frank," Obama writes in Dreams, "with his books and whiskey breath and the hint of hard-earned knowledge behind the hooded eyes." One sequence in "Pop" actually fits Davis better. 

Makes me smell his smell, coming

From me; he switches channels, recites an old poem

He wrote before his mother died,

Writes Obama in Dreams, "[Davis] would read us his poetry whenever we stopped by his house, sharing whiskey with Gramps out of an emptied jelly jar." It was Davis who instructed Obama in the ways of blackness. "I'm just telling you to keep your eyes open," Davis told him on one occasion. "Stay awake." Davis is an important figure in Obama's life. Obama alludes to him on nine separate occasions in Dreams. If "Pop" were Davis, then Obama may use the honorarium to suggest no more than an African-American godfather. Then again, "Pop" may have been a literal designation.

As something of a side note, what caught Mr. West's eye were the similarities in poetic style between Davis and the Obama of "Pop." What struck both of us is that "Pop" is much more sophisticated than "Underground," a silly poem about fig-eating apes that also appears under Obama's name in the spring 1981 edition of Occidental College's literary magazine, Feast.  Whether "Pop" refers to Gramps or Davis, it would not surprise me if Davis provided substantial help with the poem, a pattern that would repeat itself with Bill Ayers in the writing of Dreams.

One other issue that needs to be addressed, and a sensitive one, is that of sex. As reported in the U.K.'s Telegraph (and elsewhere), in 1968 Davis published under the pseudonym Bob Greene an only slightly fudged autobiographical manuscript titled Sex Rebel: Black. In the book, Davis concedes that "under certain circumstances I am bisexual" and that he was also "a voyeur and an exhibitionist." If Davis is "Pop," then this could explain the "amber stain" on the shorts of both mentor and initiate. How else to explain those stains?

One chapter of Sex Rebel deals with the seduction by Davis and his wife of a 13-year-old girl called "Anne," who was introduced to him by a trusting relative. "I'm not one to go in for Lolitas. Usually I'd rather not bed a babe under 20," he writes, "But there are exceptions."

An amateur photographer, Davis had once started a photography club in Chicago. It has not been verified that he shot the nude photos floating around the internet of a woman who looks stunningly like Ann Dunham, nor has "Anne's" identity been confirmed. Still, there would have been nothing out of character for either Ann or Davis to have collaborated on this project.

Were the married Davis the father, and had Dunham introduced his daughter to Davis, it may explain what Obama has described as "the complicated, unspoken transaction between the two men." In this scenario, both would have had a vested interest in finding someone else to take the paternity rap. By keeping the marriage secret, they would have allowed Barack Sr. to continue living the life of a single man. 

Barack Sr. had a lot to offer, starting with his pigmentation. Besides, as a Kenyan, he would have given the boy more than a name. He would give him a distinctive identity as an "African" -- his race listed on the certification of birth -- a more respected ethnicity in the America of the 1960s than "Negro." Indeed, Obama has built his career around his exotic identity. Were he named after Frank Marshall Davis or any other American, he may never have been elected president.

This scenario would help explain why Barack Sr. blithely blew off his new family when he headed for Harvard a year after Obama's birth, rejecting a reported opportunity to take both wife and child to New York. More importantly, it would explain why Ann went to Seattle so promptly after the birth and with so little fuss. This would have been her baby, and she was proud of him. In addition, her departure would have allowed Barack Sr. to live life as he pleased in Hawaii. If Abercrombie saw "little Barry," it was almost assuredly after Ann returned.

This theory might also iron out some chronology wrinkles. An August 4 birth would suggest an early November conception. Obama biographer Christopher Andersen, however, reports that Ann told the Dunhams of her pregnancy in "late October." Presuming a missed period as first alarm, this would put conception in early September -- before Ann would have met Barack Sr. This earlier conception date better explains both why Ann did not enroll for a second semester and how she was able to leave by mid-August for Seattle. If all this is true, however, it presumes active date-manipulation by Team Obama -- a big "if."

Then, finally, there is the Chicago connection. Davis first arrived in Chicago in 1927 and ultimately left for Hawaii in 1948. Upon moving to Chicago nearly sixty years after Davis first arrived, Obama "imagined Frank in a baggy suit and wide lapels, standing in front of the old Regal Theatre, waiting to see Duke or Ella emerge from a gig." In a very real way, Chicago may have been his homeland, not Kenya, and he would have known it.

The Davis-as-father scenario may not be conclusive enough to override the ruling on the field, but it would explain the Obama camp's fear of documentation, and it deserves, at the very least, further review in the booth.


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1 posted on 02/13/2010 10:29:40 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Very interesting.


2 posted on 02/13/2010 10:37:04 PM PST by ansel12 (Mitt Romney and the Romney family traditionally, is at war with conservatism and traditional America)
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To: smoothsailing

bm


3 posted on 02/13/2010 10:48:58 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: smoothsailing

The last two scenarios are quite creepy.


4 posted on 02/13/2010 10:49:49 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: smoothsailing
Ya know, a real BC would clear up everything.

Most Americans have seen worse family situations on Springer, and wouldn't judge him personaly based upon what his parentage is.


There has to be a reason for him to hide it, otherwise it wouldn't be hidden.

5 posted on 02/13/2010 10:50:28 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you," O " you most proud, said the said the Lord GOD of hosts)
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To: smoothsailing

Well, at least that last scenario would make Soetoro a “natural born” American. It does not, however, address other citizenship problems having to do with his Indonesian citizenship.


6 posted on 02/13/2010 10:51:12 PM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: skr
The last two scenarios are quite creepy.

They certainly are, but then so is Obama.

7 posted on 02/13/2010 10:52:09 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Total speculation.


8 posted on 02/13/2010 10:52:25 PM PST by john in springfield
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To: john in springfield

Yes, as the author clearly states.


9 posted on 02/13/2010 10:56:48 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

good post smooth sailing...creepy is right....but so are the young’n faggots who discount any dissenting opinion on muslim boys true past life....


10 posted on 02/13/2010 10:58:21 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: smoothsailing

Lol. As long as we know what we’re dealing with.


11 posted on 02/13/2010 10:59:52 PM PST by john in springfield
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To: smoothsailing; Fred Nerks; LucyT
Inquiries are becoming more and more serious....ping.

Aloha Smooth.....got snow?
12 posted on 02/13/2010 11:03:37 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: john in springfield
Of course.

What follows are four possible scenarios to explain the circumstances of Obama's birth.

13 posted on 02/13/2010 11:03:50 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

mark ndesandjo is a spitting image of barry- if there was a way to gat marks long BC and see who his father(mother too) was it would tell alot or if mark changed his last name—


14 posted on 02/13/2010 11:05:04 PM PST by chicken head
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To: smoothsailing

Everything 0bama does should be reviewed in the booth!


15 posted on 02/13/2010 11:05:17 PM PST by Notwithstanding (Wer glaubt ist nie allein. Who believes is never alone.)
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To: BIGLOOK
Aloha Smooth.....got snow?

Howdy BIGLOOK!

24 inches on the ground. Yuck.

16 posted on 02/13/2010 11:06:24 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Notwithstanding
Everything 0bama does should be reviewed in the booth!

LOL! To stay with the football analogy we'd have to get a rule change. Just imagine all the challenges and red flags invoved.

17 posted on 02/13/2010 11:10:12 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
"Stanley Dunham and unknown black woman..."

I, too, was struck by the remarkable resemblance between the faces of Stanley Dunham and Øbozo:

The offspring of that guy and a black woman could look very much like that which now pollutes our Oval Office...

18 posted on 02/13/2010 11:10:53 PM PST by TXnMA (D'Aleo re Hansen's "GISS" temperature database: "Non Gradus Anus Rodentum!")
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To: Fred Nerks

Article says the photo is when Obama Sr leaves for Harvard. What do you think? Would he have left by boat then?


19 posted on 02/13/2010 11:14:05 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: smoothsailing

http://dianej.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/ruth-ndesandjo-obamas-step-mother-i-guess/


20 posted on 02/13/2010 11:15:38 PM PST by chicken head
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To: TXnMA

Thanks for posting that pix. Amazing resemblance.


21 posted on 02/13/2010 11:22:02 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: smoothsailing
24 inches on the ground. Yuck.

That's what I've been hearing all week all over the mainland....in differing levels. Over here we've had a snow job for the last couple years concerning Obama's origins, dates, documents, associates and arrest records too. But the funny thing is few people know him or of him and nobody cares.....until the state wants to rename Magic Island in his honor (?). Big pilikia over that notion.
22 posted on 02/13/2010 11:29:27 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: smoothsailing

Ruth Ndesandjo
Born Ruth Nidesand, in US c. 1940s, Barack Obama Sr.’s third wife and a private kindergarten director in Kenya.[96] Ruth’s two sons with Barack Obama, Sr., are Mark and David Ndesandjo; her third son, Joseph Ndesandjo, was born c. 1980 from a subsequent marriage to a Tanzanian


23 posted on 02/13/2010 11:32:42 PM PST by chicken head
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To: TXnMA

Some wierd stuff, but if I’m going to apply Occam’s Razor here, I’d say Barack resembles Stanley Dunham because Stanley is his grandfather... in the same way my son resembles his uncle Berto so much. As far as the coldness and aloofness of the mother, I’ve dated many liberal women, and it’s just one of the many signs.


24 posted on 02/13/2010 11:33:56 PM PST by redpoll
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To: smoothsailing

Well written which makes it an interesting and easy read. I didn’t read Barrys’ books - why on earth would he mention amber stains, sick.

I think the BC states he’s caucasian.


25 posted on 02/13/2010 11:34:33 PM PST by bronxville
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To: smoothsailing

Bookmark


26 posted on 02/13/2010 11:34:43 PM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: smoothsailing

Barack Obama Sr.’s third wife????????


27 posted on 02/13/2010 11:36:11 PM PST by chicken head
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To: BIGLOOK
But the funny thing is few people know him or of him and nobody cares.....until the state wants to rename Magic Island in his honor (?). Big pilikia over that notion.

I had to look up pilikia, but now I see what you mean. I bet it is!

28 posted on 02/13/2010 11:56:00 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

BTTT!


29 posted on 02/14/2010 12:03:14 AM PST by neverdem
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To: chicken head
31.When Obama was 21, he received a call from Nairobi that his father was involved in yet another car accident and had died. He left behind three ex-wives, a mistress, six sons, and a daughter.
30 posted on 02/14/2010 12:08:00 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
Photobucket
31 posted on 02/14/2010 12:16:04 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: smoothsailing

http://www.geditcom.com/samples/Obamas/INDIs/II87.html


32 posted on 02/14/2010 12:22:48 AM PST by chicken head
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To: smoothsailing

Good eork by Cashill. Will RedState now ban any Jack Cashill reports or mentions? Someone should post this on RS so we may watch them go “LGF” on what Erik the Red calls “Birfers”.


33 posted on 02/14/2010 12:26:38 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: bushpilot1

her second husband nidesand does not exist


34 posted on 02/14/2010 12:47:19 AM PST by chicken head
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To: bushpilot1

according to this she was ruth nidesand,then obama, then ndesandjo(tanzanian)- i read somewere that she is jewish

Ndesandjo had shunned the limelight until now. He is one of two children born to Barack Obama Sr. and his third wife, an American teacher named Ruth Nidesand, whom Obama Sr. met while the two were students at Harvard. Tall and slim like the President, Ndesandjo had avoided any association with the Obama name. For most of his life, he used only his stepfather’s Tanzanian surname Ndesandjo, but he’s now added Okoth, a word from the language of his father’s Kenyan tribe, the Luo, as well as his original surname, Obama.


35 posted on 02/14/2010 1:08:35 AM PST by chicken head
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To: smoothsailing

bttt for later reading


36 posted on 02/14/2010 1:21:25 AM PST by CyberAnt (Healthcare is not a RIGHT guaranteed by the Constitution)
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To: smoothsailing
Some people aren't so uncertain of Obama's origins:

"Sign Posted on the Road just outside Nairobi, Kenya"

Hat Tip: LAST OF THE FEW


37 posted on 02/14/2010 3:06:55 AM PST by Iron Munro (God is great, Beer is good, People are crazy)
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To: smoothsailing
Propping up this narrative is chatty Hawaii Democratic congressman Neil Abercrombie, who knew Barack Sr. at the University of Hawaii. "Little Barry, that's what we called him," Abercrombie told the Chicago Tribune about baby Obama while "recalling his days with Obama Sr. and his future wife, Ann Dunham, at the University of Hawaii."

So, "Little Barry" was "out and about" and his "parents" (Ann and Barack Sr.) were still not married.

Care to elaborate on this, Mr. Abercrombie?

38 posted on 02/14/2010 4:47:19 AM PST by Jess Kitting
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To: smoothsailing
1. Obama's momma could have been 17 when she got knocked up.

2. Obama's momma got knocked up out of wedlock.

So why are the Obama-bots so critical of Palin's daughter's situation when Obama himself was most likely born in the exact same circumstances!!!

Obama has the lack of a father in common with Billy Goat.

This shouldn't detract from the fact that all Democrats and most RINOs are bastards.

39 posted on 02/14/2010 4:51:17 AM PST by IbJensen (A Prayer for Obama (Ps 109.8): "Let his days be few; and let another take his position.")
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To: TXnMA

Given this collective failure and the Obama camp’s squirrelly response to questions about his birth certificate.You may just hit the target dead center.


40 posted on 02/14/2010 5:31:07 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: MissTickly

From the article:

“This theory might also iron out some chronology wrinkles. An August 4 birth would suggest an early November conception. Obama biographer Christopher Andersen, however, reports that Ann told the Dunhams of her pregnancy in “late October.” Presuming a missed period as first alarm, this would put conception in early September — before Ann would have met Barack Sr. This earlier conception date better explains both why Ann did not enroll for a second semester and how she was able to leave by mid-August for Seattle. If all this is true, however, it presumes active date-manipulation by Team Obama — a big “if.”

MissTickly weren’t you getting conflicting information regarding Obama’s birth date from Hawaii through your UPIA requests?


41 posted on 02/14/2010 5:47:41 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: smoothsailing
The Davis-as-father scenario may not be conclusive enough to override the ruling on the field, but it would explain the Obama camp's fear of documentation, and it deserves, at the very least, further review in the booth.

This "summary" answers my questions. My biggest question is why hide the records, this might explain it. But why hide all the other records? (The Patriot's Flag - Eligibility & Credibility). The bottom line for me..."why has the press been allowed to continually ignore all of this?" I don't think Obama is our problem, he is what he is, the press is the villain in this story for "projecting" something else upon the "blank screen."

42 posted on 02/14/2010 6:24:25 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (http://www.thepatriotsflag.com - The Patriot's Flag)
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To: arthurus
Artie,A Native Born American citizen simply cannot have citizenship removed, even if adopted by Lolo Soetoro, or the King of the Gypsies.

To extend the Jack Cashill (Great Man!) football analogy, all this endless speculation about the Amazing Birth is just Delay of Game. Pinning hopes on the Kenyan Amazing Birth, Vancouver Birth, etc. ad nauseam, is just as fruitless and only plays into Team Obama's hands.

If what Barack Obama Jr. says about who his father was is true, he is ineligible to serve as POTUS, or even to have run! And that is no matter where he was born. If an American was indeed the father, BHO, Jr. is a fraud, but a Natural Born American Citizen Fraud. Either way, the likelihood of Impeachment and Conviction is nil. Ineligible or not, this Assklown is your de facto President until 2012. Barring a miracle, of course.

Release of the Birth Certificate, which is mandatory under Hawaiian Law and will happen, is just as apt to back up Obama's Story as it is ours. IMHO, all the legal actions must continue because this sort of doubt must never stain the Presidency again.

43 posted on 02/14/2010 7:16:24 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Go-Go Donofrio. get us that Writ of Quo Warranto!)
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To: smoothsailing

Nothing but idle and ridiculous speculation. Barack Obama II’s legal/historical/documentable father was the Kenyan, and nothing can or ever will change that. There are too many documents and facts in the public domain to think otherwise —


44 posted on 02/14/2010 7:34:52 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: little jeremiah

The first time I saw this photo, it said it was taken at Obama, Sr.’s arrival to Hawaii by boat. I don’t recall where I saw it.


45 posted on 02/14/2010 8:06:43 AM PST by Jude in WV
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To: TXnMA

Man he sure looks like POP,

but around his mouth he sure looks like Davis,

Its either grandpa is really Obama’s father, or

Obama is the son of Davis.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RmvtiAvhIOM/Stucp4Tz3MI/AAAAAAAAA8w/nDUIox9T5VQ/s320/FRANK+MARSHALL+DAVIS+JUNIOR.jpg

it is the puffiness around the lower lip.

http://www.thefinishingtouchgroup.com/images/davis_frank_marshall.jpg

http://neveryetmelted.com/wp-images/ObamaHandUp.jpg

why the heck did this creep have to come into our lives, I remember crying like a baby when he won the election.


46 posted on 02/14/2010 10:34:25 AM PST by Sophia777
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To: little jeremiah; BIGLOOK
Article says the photo is when Obama Sr leaves for Harvard. What do you think? Would he have left by boat then?

As no one seems know the source of the image and as the captions keep changing to suit the story, it's impossible to say - arrival or departure. However, IMO what is not in doubt is that the image indicates the journey was made by SHIP...

Look closer. Who is the young woman standing close to O Senior? And why do the lei look so unnatural? Could it be the image has been tampered with? Are the 'lei' an addition to hide that he has his arm around her, and she, hers around him?

47 posted on 02/14/2010 12:10:18 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Whoever she is, she’s certainly standing very close to 0bama Sr. And she isn’t SADO.


48 posted on 02/14/2010 12:59:21 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: smoothsailing
When I saw the documentation that Ann Durham started college two weeks after Obama was born--in Seattle--I knew there had to be some serious lying.

Picture a teen mom recently delivered of a baby making the trip from Hawaii to Seattle, found a place to live and someone to help with the baby...and the baby so very small. Just does not make any sense.

"Dreams of my Father"--would then be a farce, if Stanley Durham is his true father and some hooker his mother. This would explain the tenacious refusal to release his records--his name, his connection to Africa, all phony.

49 posted on 02/14/2010 1:46:40 PM PST by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney? (Don't forget to bring your cameras))
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To: little jeremiah

You got that right!

And we didn’t see it because the myth of ‘Dreams’ has been repeated and repeated until it penetrated the subconscious.


50 posted on 02/14/2010 2:01:43 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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