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In New York, a new kind of Hebrew school is born
HaAretz ^ | 2/14/10 | Gal Beckerman, The Forward

Posted on 02/14/2010 9:14:37 AM PST by Nachum

On a recent Monday morning in southern Brooklyn, 20 kindergarteners sat on a rug, staring up at a photo of President Obama.

Their teacher, Nitzan Graham, asked them, in Hebrew, to identify the parts of Obama's face, and the children were ecstatic, yelling out the Hebrew words for "nose" and "mouth." When the ruckus had died down, Graham asked Jasmine, a 5-year-old African-American girl with pigtails, to stand up. "What are these?" the teacher asked, pointing to Obama's eyes. "Ena'im!" the girl said gleefully.

It's a typical morning at the Hebrew Language Academy, a charter school mostly funded by the state of New York. Its dual-language program is among the first of its kind, making the four-month-old school a showcase for others interested in using it as a model.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: hebrew; new; school; york

1 posted on 02/14/2010 9:14:38 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Indoctrination 101


2 posted on 02/14/2010 9:18:47 AM PST by Paige ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
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To: Nachum

I am still working on why some American Jews have turned their back on Israel. It makes no sense and it speaks volumes of what little character they possess.


3 posted on 02/14/2010 9:27:20 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Nachum
...mostly funded by the state of New York.

New York is out of money but not out of ideas for spending it.

4 posted on 02/14/2010 9:27:37 AM PST by decimon
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To: Nachum
http://www.hlacharterschool.org/

My old neighborhood. Yech.

5 posted on 02/14/2010 9:33:27 AM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: freekitty

Simple....Liberalism is their religion. Just for old time sakes, they have given it a “Jewish” veneer.


6 posted on 02/14/2010 9:36:54 AM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: freekitty; CaptainAmiigaf

“I am still working on why some American Jews have turned their back on Israel.”

I am member of a politically conservative Jewish family, and feel as though I can speak for my family. In answer to your above queston:

We, too, are still trying to figure out why some (too many) American Jews have turned their backs on Israel. They certainly haven’t learned the lessons of history!


7 posted on 02/14/2010 9:48:10 AM PST by Mrs. B.S. Roberts
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To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts

Please take comfort in the fact that there are many non-Jews who are standing in the gap for the ones who’ve turned their backs. I’d love to be Jewish, but there’s that whole Catholic thing...I was raised to believe that once a Catholic, always a Catholic, and if you changed religions, you just bought yourself an E-ticket to hell. So, I speak up for Jews, and support them morally. I know it’s not as good as the real thing, but it is something.


8 posted on 02/14/2010 9:58:34 AM PST by blu (Graffiti the world, I've seen the writing on the wall...)
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To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts; rbg81; blu; freekitty

They are American liberals first, then Jewish. Not that being an American first is necessarily a bad thing, but their ideology overcomes their religion.

There is a huge amount of denial of current realities, and they choose not to abandon their lifelong indoctrination into liberalism.

Does it make sense that Israel’s security is not a priority for them? Of course it doesn’t. Does liberalism make sense to you?


9 posted on 02/14/2010 10:08:12 AM PST by Canedawg (FUBO! Just FUBO.)
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To: Canedawg

I think you are right on. They interpret the Torah to support their collectivist worldview. Usually, the Orthodox movement is more politically conservative, but also the most religiously observant. The Conservative and Reform movements are typically more politically liberal (depending on the local community).

Being in Los Angeles and not very religious, I really haven’t found a place for me that reconciles my political beliefs and Judaic sensibilities. Our current temple has subsitituted libralism for Judaism by including Global Warmism and Obamaism in the the Jewish Day School curriculum, and ridiculing Republicans from the pulpit.

I feel much closer to G-d hiking in the mountains then I do in temple.


10 posted on 02/14/2010 10:50:05 AM PST by LA Conservative (Abu Hussein is not my president. He is a Marxist Brother.)
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To: Canedawg

I suppose that many liberal Jews are conflicted about Israel, if not downright embarrassed by it (especially when it defends itself). A few would no doubt be relieved if it just disappeared, by whatever means. It would be one less point of contention with their liberal (slightly anti-semitic) “friends”. Jews fitting this description are useful idiots as best—at worst, they would have been Kapos in the Nazi era.


11 posted on 02/14/2010 12:18:08 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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We'd be better off it the federal government had less influence on education. State or Federal, taxpayers should under no circumstances be paying for religiously or ethnically oriented schools. The Hebrew Language Academy can charge tuition as private schools should.

12 posted on 02/14/2010 12:22:36 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: Nachum

This is supposed to be a POSITIVE development?

:-(


13 posted on 02/14/2010 12:53:36 PM PST by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: left that other site

I might add, taking the Mezzuzahs off the doors was a heinous act.

I visit many a Christian Home in my travels that have a Mezzuzah on the door frame from a previous occupant. They have asked me what it is. I tell them it contains a few verses from Deuteronomy and the command to post the Law on the door frame. After hearing what it is, the new Christian Occupant of the dwelling has opted to KEEP the Mezzuzah ON the door frame rather than leave a couple of screw holes that sit in mute testimony to negativity and anti-Jewishness.


14 posted on 02/14/2010 1:03:27 PM PST by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: Nachum; freekitty; SJackson; ml/nj; Yaelle; rmlew; dennisw; Zionist Conspirator; Yehuda; dervish; ..
Now why should Obama's picture be on the wall at all? I never recall a photo of a sitting president on the wall of a public school when I attended way back when; the only such stuff I recall were portraits of Washington and Lincoln.

Incidentally, to the best of my knowledge, Hebrew has been a foreign language option at selected New York public high schools for decades. What's new here is its introduction at an early elementary school level, and the degree of pupil immersion in it.

Wonder if the usual suspects on the Jewish Left will protest this as a violation of their "wall of separation" between church and state. Somehow, I doubt it so long as the kids can play around with The Anointed One's picture.

15 posted on 02/14/2010 3:06:53 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Paige

Disgusting.


16 posted on 02/14/2010 3:10:08 PM PST by montag813
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To: Nachum

If it was anything like this description, I feel sick. What’s next? And why drag Hebrew language instruction into this? When do they start offering up sacrifices, or having Bacchanalian orgies in the gym with his smiling face looking on?


17 posted on 02/14/2010 3:46:20 PM PST by Eleutheria5 ( Two-state solution: A bad idea whose time has gone.)
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To: justiceseeker93
I never recall a photo of a sitting president on the wall of a public school when I attended

I think I may have occasionally seen a picture of Ike or JFK on a bulletin board. I don't recall them as object of worship (hardly), but I do think they were there as part of the American scene.

ML/NJ

18 posted on 02/14/2010 3:51:29 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: SJackson; left that other site; LA Conservative; rmlew; Eleutheria5; Yaelle; oswegodeee; Sarah; ...
State or Federal, taxpayers should under no circumstances be paying for religiously or ethnically oriented schools.

Agreed, but please take note of these factors:

A public school featuring immersion in Arabic language and culture was opened in NYC several years ago. There was controversy over its Islamic orientation, but I believe it is still in business nonetheless. After all, it would be very politically incorrect to close it down, but they did change administration IIRC. I'll guarantee that school is infinitely more likely to violate the church-state separation doctrine than the Hebrew language school under discussion here.

In the case of the study of the Hebrew language, it has long been offered as a foreign language option in some public high schools in New York. There has been no constitutional controversy over the "establishment of religion" clause with respect to such classes, just as there has been none over the teaching of Latin in public schools. So it is possible to teach Hebrew as a secular language apart from Jewish religious studies.

19 posted on 02/14/2010 3:57:21 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Again all the “Separation of Church and State” rules NEVER seem to apply to the “sons of the prophet”


20 posted on 02/14/2010 4:03:46 PM PST by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: justiceseeker93

In Los Angeles, there are Spanish immersion schools for non-Spanish speakers. It appears that the students who attend these schools are more academically successful, on the whole. This is an argument for students learning more than one language, not one language in particular. Although, I think Latin is the best language for a student to learn as it provides a foundation for learning many other languages and provides a better understanding of the epistemology of many English words.


21 posted on 02/14/2010 5:14:32 PM PST by LA Conservative (Abu Hussein is not my president. He is a Marxist Brother.)
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To: blu

You are who you are, and you are exactly as G-d designed you.

I personally would not second guess Him. He apparently wanted a Catholic. Sounds OK to me.


22 posted on 02/15/2010 7:16:07 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Nachum; justiceseeker93
"There may be some who might think: 'Why involve him in Jewish culture? Won't you be robbing the child of his own identity?'" said Deborah Harte, a co-president of HLA's parent organization whose son, Brandon Latortue, is in first grade. "But the Jewish culture and the black struggles parallel each other. I don't think our histories are so far apart that it would be difficult for him to empathize with what he was learning."

This has always bugged me. The Jews were in Egypt for a grand total of 210 years, from the time they entered under Joseph until the Exodus, and only part of that time was spent in slavery, and because of this and medieval oppression Jews and Blacks allegedly have a connection that Jews and rednecks do not.

What happened to the conquest of Canaan and the extermination of its "indigenous" people? What about the Temple and animal sacrifices? What about holy wars of conquest? What about creating a society where worship of any other "gxd" was forbidden and, under certain conditions, a capital offense?

But no. Jews never did any of these things. This is "redneck mythology." Jews were slaves in Egypt and oppressed during the Middle Ages, and that's all there is to it.

Nope . . . nothing in common with those awful "rednecks!"

23 posted on 02/17/2010 8:15:22 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Venatatta 'el-ha'aron 'et ha`edut 'asher 'etten 'eleykha.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Nope . . . nothing in common with those awful "rednecks!"

There are many problems here. Either one believes the history of the Torah is true, or one does not.

If the Jews conquered Canaan, did God reveal himself at the foot of Mt. Sinai to them all as well?

24 posted on 02/17/2010 8:33:32 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
There are many problems here. Either one believes the history of the Torah is true, or one does not.

If the Jews conquered Canaan, did God reveal himself at the foot of Mt. Sinai to them all as well?

Exactly! I don't know if you misunderstood my post, but it was merely objecting to the reduction of Jewish history to Egyptian slavery and medieval chr*stian oppression and skipping over all the politically incorrect stuff.

25 posted on 02/17/2010 8:39:16 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Venatatta 'el-ha'aron 'et ha`edut 'asher 'etten 'eleykha.)
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To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts

I’m reading a book called “The Avengers” which is about fighters in the Jewish ghettos in WW2. The ghetto where they lived was run by Jews. Germans would not enter a ghetto because they thought it was bad for their health. If the Germans needed workers(slaves), they asked the Jewish officials to provide them which the Jewish officials obliged. The Jewish officials always cooperated with the Germans in hopes that the ghetto would be spared. In the end, the Germans took workers until it reduced the ghettos to a few people, shot the officials and cleaned out the few remaining people.

The Jewish partisans become very frustrated with the officials. The officials even tried to destroy the partisans who were trying to save them.


26 posted on 02/17/2010 8:52:38 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Exactly! I don't know if you misunderstood my post, but it was merely objecting to the reduction of Jewish history to Egyptian slavery and medieval chr*stian oppression and skipping over all the politically incorrect stuff.

I thought that was it, yes. :)

27 posted on 02/17/2010 9:00:36 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; SJackson; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; rmlew; dennisw; Tabi Katz; NYC GOP Chick; ...
Jews were slaves in Egypt and oppressed during the Middle Ages, that's all there is to it.

The history of oppression of the Jews in various countries around the world did not begin nor end in the Middle Ages. There was in particular a big problem called Nazi Germany. And oppression of Jews continued after that in the Soviet Union and its satellites and in Islamic countries, and continues in places like Venezuela and Cuba to this day.

Of course, no one would deny that "the Jewish culture" and "the black struggle" have vast historical and geographic differences. This black parent's knowledge of Jewish and black history is probably limited. I don't see why she would want to send her child to a Hebrew immersion school unless she wanted him to live in Israel, or convert to Judaism, or perhaps merely to have an environment more conducive to learning than the typical urban public school.

28 posted on 02/17/2010 11:37:51 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
Of course, no one would deny that "the Jewish culture" and "the black struggle" have vast historical and geographic differences.

Unfortunately, this isn't true. Most people simply assume "the Jews were oppressed, the Blacks were oppressed, therefore both are naturally at home on the Left allied with homosexuals and other groups oppressed by the Tyrant In The Sky."

Am I the only person in the world whose Bible has a Book of Joshua in it? Helloo! Invading a country because G-d said to? Killing the heathen?????

Gad! Only Me'ir Kahana' (zt"l, Hy"d) and (lehavdil) 'Abba' 'Achime'ir seem to have gotten it!

29 posted on 02/17/2010 1:30:17 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Venatatta 'el-ha'aron 'et ha`edut 'asher 'etten 'eleykha.)
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To: Jewbacca
You are who you are, and you are exactly as G-d designed you.

I personally would not second guess Him. He apparently wanted a Catholic. Sounds OK to me.

Well . . . (You knew I'd show up to throw a monkey wrench into everything, didn't you? ;)

30 posted on 02/17/2010 3:43:05 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Venatatta 'el-ha'aron 'et ha`edut 'asher 'etten 'eleykha.)
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Tax dollars have no business funding religious schools. And though these aren't vouchers, pressures will be applied.

31 posted on 02/17/2010 4:03:49 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts

I’m not a Jew but have spent my entire long life in areas with fairly high Jewish populations.

I have been pro-Israel since it’s founding,and always will be.

You are not alone.


32 posted on 02/17/2010 4:09:57 PM PST by Mears
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To: Nachum

First I agree there is no reason for a picture of Obamo to be the focus of any class...certainly not in how this teacher was “indoctrinating” this kids. So lets see then..the teacher taking it upon her/himself to do this? If I was the parent of one of these kids I’d be in that teachers face as well as the school admin.


33 posted on 02/17/2010 4:14:29 PM PST by caww
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To: justiceseeker93

“The history of oppression of the Jews in various countries around the world did not begin nor end in the Middle Ages”

I also seem to recall a rather unpleasant interlude in what is now Iraq.

Romans weren’t great, either.


34 posted on 02/17/2010 4:36:05 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: LA Conservative

Go to a Chabad.

Make sure the one you go to aren’t closet messianics (for Schneerson, not Jesus).


35 posted on 02/17/2010 4:38:26 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Some things are not our place.

No one needs to be a Jewish person, but a Jewish person, to be right with G-d.


36 posted on 02/17/2010 4:39:37 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca
Some things are not our place.

No one needs to be a Jewish person, but a Jewish person, to be right with G-d.

You are confusing two completely different concepts. Only Jews are to observe the Torah, but there is a true religion for non-Jews as well. It is the duty of all non-Jews to observe the Noachide Laws.

There is a dispute as to whether or not non-Jews are forbidden to believe in shittuf (such as chr*stianity), but even those authorities who hold that it is not forbidden still maintain that it is a false idea and they should be educated to reject it.

I hope you can see the difference between saying G-d wants gentiles to remain gentiles and saying that He wills that each person remain in whatever religion he was born regardless of what it is. That is a zoroastrian idea, not a Jewish one.

37 posted on 02/17/2010 5:23:11 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Venatatta 'el-ha'aron 'et ha`edut 'asher 'etten 'eleykha.)
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To: SJackson; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; rmlew; Jewbacca; MestaMachine; Zionist Conspirator; Eleutheria5; ..
Tax dollars have no business funding religious schools.

Absolutely. But is this Hebrew language academy a religious school? The Hebrew language can be taught in a purely secular manner, as has been done in some New York public high schools for decades without any significant constitutional controversy.

38 posted on 02/18/2010 10:09:25 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

There are two schools just like that in Florida, Broward County. Ben Gamla. They are expanding from what I have read

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGLL_en___US358&hs=noq&num=100&q=Broward+County+hebrew+school+public++Ben+Gamla&aq=f&aqi=&oq=


39 posted on 02/18/2010 10:18:00 AM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: SJackson

There are a few dual language Chinese-English public schools in NYC. Chinese and non-Chinese flock to them.

In the US there a few dual language Hebrew-English public schools. As long as things are kept secular I see no problem

There are also Spanish-English schools in America where all students study both languages. Jews are just doing what others have done


40 posted on 02/18/2010 10:21:30 AM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: blu

There are many Jews who have turned away from liberalism. Believe me, I’m Jewish and I’ve been seeing and hearnig incredible things from the most unexpected places.


41 posted on 02/18/2010 10:32:00 AM PST by Hildy
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To: dennisw; justiceseeker93

I shouldn’t have suggested it’s a a religious school, it’s Hebrew oriented with immersion in “Hebrew” culture, whatever that is, as opposed to Jewish culture. Quite different than religion, I’m sure. IMO public schools should concentrate on English and American culture. I think religious schools (or Hebrew or Catholic culture) are great, but like most schools are best privately funded. I’m OK with vouchers, but recognize there’s a fight over government interference that will arise. The fact that Jews are simply doing what others have done with public funds doesn’t validate the concept. Visualize publicly funded Saudi academies, simply Arabic culture. Think of North Carolina, where they want to begin high school American history in 1877, to make room for cultural studies. The federal government, Obama’s ears and all, should be kept as far away from education as possible. I won’t mention the President we have to thank for much of this.


42 posted on 02/18/2010 4:47:46 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

When do you think they’ll be opening Southern cultural schools in NYC? Long proud history, more relevant to American culture. They could open midwestern settler culture schools too. They could compete in football. Breckenridge Rednecks vs Lincoln Lawyers. Might be fun.


43 posted on 02/18/2010 5:29:10 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: blu
..I was raised to believe that once a Catholic, always a Catholic, and if you changed religions, you just bought yourself an E-ticket to hell.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yep! I was taught the same. That is why Catholicism is a cult.

Am I ever glad to be free of that emotional manipulation. ( Pray about it. God will answer your prayer...possibly in a unique and strange way.)

44 posted on 02/18/2010 5:35:40 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: SJackson
Visualize publicly funded Saudi academies, simply Arabic culture.
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The problem is IMMIGRATION!!!! Fix the immigration problem of having Muslims come into the country and we will NOT be having Muslim academies springing up around town.

Don't enslave the children of normal American families in prison-like, atheistic, and Marxist-run, government schools merely because we have a problem with Muslim immigration.

45 posted on 02/18/2010 5:38:57 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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