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Luger Who Died Was Terrified of Track
online.wsj.com ^ | FEBRUARY 14, 2010 | Samatha Shields

Posted on 02/14/2010 12:58:03 PM PST by fuzzybutt

BAKURIANI, Georgia—The young Georgian luger who died in a horrific training accident hours before the opening of the Vancouver Winter Olympics on Friday told his father he was terrified of the track before doing the run that killed him.

"He called me before the Olympics, three days ago, and he said, 'Dad, I'm scared of one of the turns,' " David Kumaritashvili said in an interview at his house in the small mountain town of Bakuriani on Sunday.

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KEYWORDS: 2010olympics; luge; luger; olympics
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To: FrdmLvr

These Luge tracks use massive amounts of refrigeration and electricity to keep huge long track “iced”. Funny how the media fails to point that out since it’s the “Olympics”. I guess its ok to put massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere as long as its in the name of the Olympics...


21 posted on 02/14/2010 1:39:01 PM PST by HD1200
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To: trumandogz

That’s a brilliant observation. /s


22 posted on 02/14/2010 1:39:19 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: trumandogz

You wrote:

“And if he thought it was too dangerous, why is it he elected to race down the track?”

He was representing his country and probably didn’t want to let down the people back home.


23 posted on 02/14/2010 1:43:11 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998

He knew the risks.


24 posted on 02/14/2010 1:44:19 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: BunnySlippers

I know. If I felt the track was not safe, I would not run it.


25 posted on 02/14/2010 1:44:32 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican, no Conservative was on the ballot.)
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To: trumandogz

Yes, he did. It’s still a shame.


26 posted on 02/14/2010 1:47:09 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998

Yes, it is a shame.

However, I do not see him as a victim of anyone else’s wrong doing..


27 posted on 02/14/2010 1:56:46 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Abigail Adams; BunnySlippers

That’s it. Thanks! It will be used to prove a point.


28 posted on 02/14/2010 1:58:58 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("The people will believe what the media tells them they believe." Orwell)
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To: trumandogz
“And if he thought it was too dangerous, why is it he elected to race down the track?”

Those of us have played sports understand why he went down the track. When you are a member of a team, you grow to love your teammates, and you are willing to do your best for them. He had trained long and hard for his event, he was selected to for his country's team, so he did what he had to do. His commitment went from doing his personal best to doing his best for his teammates. Add to that he comes from a very small, very poor country. His country and his Olympic committee supported him with a number of costly resources, and so he wanted to do his best for the committee that selected him. Then add to that his commitment to doing his best for his country. It's not difficult to understand why he did what he did despite his fear. I honor that kind of man who makes that kind of commitment, then follows through.

29 posted on 02/14/2010 2:17:31 PM PST by righttackle44 (Is Obama an Italian or Japanese name?)
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To: fuzzybutt
Without fear, there is no courage.
Courage is the ability to proceed through one’s fear.
30 posted on 02/14/2010 2:22:38 PM PST by Euker
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To: trumandogz

Of course he is, any moron could see that was an unsafe design. 100, 200 athletes,, whatever the number are left with a track that is designed like crap.

Telling him to withdraw if he thinks the track is a menace is ridiculous, why is it so unreasonable to expect the equipment be up to modern standards? Why shouldnt the designer be held responsible for his design?

I bet if a highway had an obviously dangerous flaw in the design, you wouldnt dismiss the death of a friend by saying,,”it’s all on the driver”, he could have stayed home”


31 posted on 02/14/2010 2:24:32 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: fuzzybutt

“Scared” now equals “Terrified”? Sure glad I’m not a journalist.


32 posted on 02/14/2010 2:25:39 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: trumandogz

Of course he is, any moron could see that was an unsafe design. 100, 200 athletes,, whatever the number are left with a track that is designed like crap.

Telling him to withdraw if he thinks the track is a menace is ridiculous, why is it so unreasonable to expect the equipment be up to modern standards? Why shouldnt the designer be held responsible for his design?

I bet if a highway had an obviously dangerous flaw in the design, you wouldnt dismiss the death of a friend by saying,,”it’s all on the driver”, he could have stayed home”


33 posted on 02/14/2010 2:27:39 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: fuzzybutt
So... it seems that there are many who may be sympathetic for the young man but are still willing to suggest that he has to carry some responsibility for it himself – it’s a risky sport and he willingly engaged in it, he knew the risks etc etc. Sorry but I’m not buying any of it. There is absolutely no way that young Nodar or anybody else’s body should have been able to leave the confines of the track period. If it was possible (and this obviously is now confirmed to be the case), than the design was insufficient for dealing with a worst case scenario... end of issue. It’s called insufficient design margins. This was obviously a tragic event but I would not call it an accident in the truest definition of the word since it was totally preventable....it was a tragic outcome that simply exposed a design flaw. Like so many other things, it seems that design engineers are not allowed to apply reasonable margins of safety on designs until somebody gets killed. Quite often it is the non-engineering types that get involved in these projects and they often kibosh safety measures because of costs or other reasons. Other things can be compromised but not safely. The idea of comparing the risk of a high speed crash where the luger in a protective suit falls off a sled, rattles around in the track sliding at high speeds and then eventually friction slows him down is NOT on the same level as the risk of being able to leave the track and hit a steel post planted a mere three feet from that track on the outside of the curve. So, what we had here was a scenario where it WAS possible to have a series of circumstances that made it possible to leave the track, there was NO containment to bring him back to the track once he left it AND once out, there was NO clear path for him to slow down without meeting a deadly obstacle. Unless someone here can successfully make the argument that he was trying to get himself propelled off the track, than in my view he has zero responsibility for his death and 100% of it lies elsewhere.....the designer or somebody who overruled the designer.

Some of this reminds me of the talk that ensued after the Siberian tiger managed to get out of its pen at the San Francisco Zoo a few years ago...seems to me that there were those that tried to lay the blame on the guy who got mauled to death because he apparently had been ‘teasing the tiger’. The sad reality was that the wall was simply too low and regardless of how sick it would be to tease a tiger, there is no way it should have been able to get out. With the wall too low, it was going to happen sooner or later. As I said, it always seems to take a death before something gets done and no doubt, changes will be made in the future. My guess that we are going to see tubular containments on these corners on future tracks. It’s just very sad that a young man had to die for that to happen.

34 posted on 02/14/2010 2:32:57 PM PST by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest... ("In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell)
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To: DoughtyOne
I remember Shelby Foote talking about prior to one of the battles of Gettysburg.

He mentioned that every Confederate soldier knew it was folly to march out into that open field, but all of them did.

Foote said it would have been more courageous to tell the general that "no one can take that hill" then to march to certain death.

I guess this fellow felt the same way. How do you tell them you are not going to represent your country because you are frightened.

35 posted on 02/14/2010 2:33:58 PM PST by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: DesertRhino
I bet if a highway had an obviously dangerous flaw in the design, you wouldnt dismiss the death of a friend by saying,,”it’s all on the driver”, he could have stayed home”

Well said. Some here have suggested that ‘he knew the risks’. Actually, he probably didn’t know the risks at all. He likely had very good understanding of issues such as how tight the turns were, the angle of embankment, the speeds, g forces etc. He also knew the risks of falling off a sled at nearly 100 mph and rattling around in an icy track until he slowed down and hence what kind of protective equipment was appropriate. What he would have no concept of was the answer to a simple question of ‘was it physically possible for him to leave the confines of the track.’ There certainly has been no indication that the only people that should be lugers are also degreed mechanical engineers who have personally done all their own engineering calculations and verifications on the matter. In that sense, I don’t view this any different that a person who goes to a water park and when they go down that slide for the first time, they assume that somebody has designed it so that it is absolutely physically impossible for them to go around a corner and fly off into never never land.

36 posted on 02/14/2010 2:42:56 PM PST by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest... ("In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell)
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To: DesertRhino
Good post. It's frustrating to see so many FReepers basically say, "Tough cookies, he knew the risks." What a bunch of heartless dweebs.

Show me any highway in America that would have oak trees or concrete pillars located three feet from the road at a high speed turn. Show me! That the designers had open, and completely unprotected steel girders lining the track 36 inches away from a harrowing turn is a criminal design flaw.

This poor kid should not have lost his life over this obvious fault.

37 posted on 02/14/2010 2:58:57 PM PST by Obadiah (Democrats and their life partners, the MSM)
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To: Obadiah

I have to agree with the ones that say people are heartless on this matter. Sure there was danger in the sport, but the track should have had rails or something on the side to prevent this from happening. My heart goes out to his family and friends. Shame on you...Olympics!!!!


38 posted on 02/14/2010 7:00:37 PM PST by cam60
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To: cam60
Sure there was danger in the sport, but the track should have had rails or something on the side to prevent this from happening.

When I saw the picture of that guy slamming into the pole and how easy it was to fly off the track, I thought the same thing.
39 posted on 02/14/2010 7:04:45 PM PST by aruanan
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To: fuzzybutt
Whatever you attempt to do if you are afraid then do not do it until you are no longer afraid.

Or do it until you are no longer afraid.
40 posted on 02/14/2010 7:05:55 PM PST by aruanan
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