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[Concord, MA] Push starts for local income tax
The Boston Globe ^ | February 14, 2010 | Jennifer Fenn Lefferts

Posted on 02/14/2010 5:27:26 PM PST by cmj328

As part of an effort to make Concord more affordable and diverse, local officials want to shift the tax burden off most property owners and onto the town’s wealthiest residents.

The long-shot proposal, which some say is unconstitutional, calls for imposing a local income tax to help offset the town’s dependence on property taxes to fund its operations.

“It’s not a tax increase, but a shifting of the burden,’

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“If we’re lucky, this could happen in 15 to 20 years. But if you don’t start somewhere, it would never ever happen.’’

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: concord; incometax; localincometax; taxes
A subtle way to override Prop 2 1/2 as well...

As Barbara Anderson of Citizens for Limited Taxation says, "We have plenty of taxes in Massachusetts and it’s wasted enough already."

1 posted on 02/14/2010 5:27:26 PM PST by cmj328
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To: cmj328

the shot heard round the world?


2 posted on 02/14/2010 5:28:22 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (yeah, you can quote me.)
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To: cmj328

gee, they ought to have a tea party...


3 posted on 02/14/2010 5:28:53 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (yeah, you can quote me.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

darn, you beat me to it.


4 posted on 02/14/2010 5:30:47 PM PST by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: john drake

it was sooooo easy.


5 posted on 02/14/2010 5:31:42 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (yeah, you can quote me.)
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To: cmj328

Well,they’ve got that new local option meals tax (which,along with the increase in the sales tax,I hope is repealed).But even before Scott Brown,Gay State voters have consistently opposed a graduated income tax and I thing this opposition will transfer over to local income taxes.


6 posted on 02/14/2010 5:32:30 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: cmj328
Are the going to stop the wealthy from posting a For Sale sign?
7 posted on 02/14/2010 5:33:20 PM PST by bfree (The revolution is coming and it will be violent--FUBO)
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To: cmj328
local officials want to shift the tax burden off most property owners and onto the town’s wealthiest residents.

The wealthy just call in the moving vans and there goes the tax revenues. These government morons NEVER learn.

8 posted on 02/14/2010 5:33:50 PM PST by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“Well,they’ve got that new local option meals tax......”

And the traffic light cameras.


9 posted on 02/14/2010 5:36:43 PM PST by Sparky1776
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To: cmj328

How will Concord keep its rich citizens from moving to another town? Or out of the state altogether?


10 posted on 02/14/2010 5:37:48 PM PST by Our man in washington
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To: cmj328

Good God. My dad was a plankowner in Citizens for Limited Taxation (I think he joined in 1974...so I always assumed that) and he must be spinning in his grave down in Arlington.

I just cannot for the life of me believe this. In Concord, of all places. I know it it a big lefty haven, but...this? Ugh.


11 posted on 02/14/2010 5:37:48 PM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: cmj328
As part of an effort to make Concord more affordable and diverse...

Why don't they just drop taxes? Why do they have to be "shifted"? And what's this "diversity" thing?

12 posted on 02/14/2010 5:40:03 PM PST by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
But even before Scott Brown,Gay State voters have consistently opposed a graduated income tax and I thing this opposition will transfer over to local income taxes.

Especially if the sales tax rollback (from the obscene 6.25% to 3%) is approved via referendum in November. That may be enough to encourage Concord to drop what is essentially a death sentence for the businesses in their town.
13 posted on 02/14/2010 5:45:11 PM PST by LostInBayport (2010 - The Second American Revolution. The first shot was fired 1/19/2010 -- here in Massachusetts!)
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To: tflabo; cmj328
Moving vans and "for sale" signs on the property are the expected response. There are plenty of better places to live that don't tax the hell out of their residents. It could raise unemployment by driving away "the rich" small business owners and their former employees. The Buck Knife company started life in Mountain Home, ID. They relocated to El Cajon, CA where the company flourished until outrageous tax increases and the cost of electricity drove them away. They returned to Idaho and set up shop in Post Falls. My employer is present in multiple states. Our employee base has been falling in CA for some time due to the uncompetitive labor costs and high taxes. We recently instituted a new time card system where you are required to record the actual zip code where the physical work is performed. That impacts how corporate taxes are allocated.
14 posted on 02/14/2010 5:46:11 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: LostInBayport
Especially if the sales tax rollback (from the obscene 6.25% to 3%) is approved via referendum in November.

Is it gonna be on the ballot this November?? If so,I'm thrilled....and surprised that I didn't hear of it sooner.

15 posted on 02/14/2010 5:49:45 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: LostInBayport
You want obscene? Try a sales tax of 8.75% in El Cajon, CA. I was so happy to return to Pocatello, ID where it is only 6%. It would be nice to drop back to 5%. The sales tax was raised in exchange for a drop in property taxes. That was good for a year. The county assessor just re-evaluated my property from $195K to $236K. Bye bye tax savings. The rates went down, but the property value was raised to "compensate" so they didn't "lose" any revenue.
16 posted on 02/14/2010 5:50:08 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: jeffc
Why don't they just drop taxes?

Because it's Massachusetts.Here,we *raise* taxes...never lower them.

17 posted on 02/14/2010 5:51:10 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Alaska, doesn't have state sales or income taxes; many areas no prop taxes. In MatSu, back in early 90's had what people thought were high prop taxes. Palin suggested to impose 1.5% local sales tax with dollar for dollar coming off prop taxes. People told Palin, no way, other council members would try keeping both taxes. Palin said she would not let them do it; so people voted for it with Palin's promise. So, sure enough the other members tried keeping both taxes;;; but Palin stopped them cold; how Palin first got her start; gained the trust of people.

You really have to watch it all close, so you don't end up with 2 taxes. In the end, prop taxes went down by 1/2.

18 posted on 02/14/2010 6:02:57 PM PST by Eska
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To: Eska
Although I'm no expert on Alaska politics my hunch is that Alaska and Massachusetts see things quite differently when it comes to taxes (and other things as well).Here,RAT politicians (which make up 90% of our state Legislature) think that *all* money belongs to the government.
19 posted on 02/14/2010 6:06:47 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: cmj328

In an ‘unrelated’ story, Concord real estate brokers are enjoying a 400% increase in listings...


20 posted on 02/14/2010 6:12:14 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

It was the Center for Small Government (Carla Howell & Michael Cloud) who initiated it, and I believe in the last email I received it said they had so many signatures that the pinky-ring union thugs (aka the Massachusetts Teachers Association) didn’t bother to challenge any!

Look for the question in November! Also look for the ludicrous whining from the public sector unions about how armageddon will come if the question passes. “It’s just too risky...for the chilllllldren!”


21 posted on 02/14/2010 6:13:30 PM PST by LostInBayport (2010 - The Second American Revolution. The first shot was fired 1/19/2010 -- here in Massachusetts!)
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To: Myrddin

Oh, I don’t doubt that the first response of the Mass. legislature will be to consider increases in fees or new types of taxes if the ballot question passes.

That is, unless some key demonrats also get the bum’s rush on the same ballot. They may have to...gasp...make cuts in the public sector?!? They have managed to avoid doing that even now, as vacant storefronts are becoming more noticeable and foreclosures growing more pronounced. I wonder if they think no one has noticed?


22 posted on 02/14/2010 6:19:18 PM PST by LostInBayport (2010 - The Second American Revolution. The first shot was fired 1/19/2010 -- here in Massachusetts!)
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To: cmj328
Funny how all the freeloaders run around crying that people need to pay more taxes. The trouble is, they don't want to be the ones that have to pay them. Typical commie piggies.

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23 posted on 02/14/2010 6:20:02 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (If the CIA and NASA are going to "monitor climate change", why the hell do we need the EPA?)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Here’s one for ya. We live up on the Yukon, pretty rural. I have a neighbor from Springfield Mass. He has a cabin here and spends summers, just retired. Plans on moving to Ak for good. Old Schultz tells me things I find hard to believe. He actually had a neighbor turn in another neighbor for having a atv trailer in back yard, ha. I take him downriver in my boat to moose camp and had him up in my bear stand last summer. He didn’t want a gun, just take pictures. He wants to shoot some caribou so he says; I’ll wait and see.


24 posted on 02/14/2010 6:23:48 PM PST by Eska
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To: LostInBayport

Let me just piss off alot of folks. Here in Tennessee we have no state income tax and all sales tax receipts are 100% deductible against our federal return. The state is not broke and will function fine within their means. Liberals are ruining your respective states. Period


25 posted on 02/14/2010 6:24:43 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: cmj328

Mr. Galt, warming up in the wings...


26 posted on 02/14/2010 6:25:58 PM PST by onona (dbada)
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To: LostInBayport
Especially if the sales tax rollback (from the obscene 6.25% to 3%)

HA! Come to the supposed "sane" midwest! Here in Columbus, our sales tax is 7.25% and our city income tax is 2.5%. Plus we have a state income tax.

The only thing we don't have that you guys do is the excise tax on your cars.

27 posted on 02/14/2010 6:28:39 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: cmj328
As part of an effort to make Concord more affordable and diverse, local officials want to shift the tax burden off most property owners and onto the town’s wealthiest residents.

LOL! The "diversity" the morons end up with obviously will not include the fleeing "wealthiest residents".

28 posted on 02/14/2010 6:30:15 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: eyedigress

I am still proud of Tennessee for b!+ch-slapping that scumbag Sundquist and his income tax.
Whaddayaknow - - the world did not come to an end in Tennessee without an income tax.


29 posted on 02/14/2010 6:32:42 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

The Governor now is a business man first. I hate to see him go. He is a Democrat but is of the old school. He helps when he can but will sacrifice to bring good to the people. His name is Bredesen.


30 posted on 02/14/2010 6:36:41 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress

I heard of Phil Bredesen, and heard nothing bad...
I guess the only surprise is that he’s a Democrat.


31 posted on 02/14/2010 6:39:01 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Our man in washington
How will Concord keep its rich citizens from moving to another town? Or out of the state altogether?

Which rich? Trust fund babies or corporate CEO's In other words the idle rich or the nouveau riche.

32 posted on 02/14/2010 6:40:48 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: buccaneer81
The only thing we don't have that you guys do is the excise tax on your cars.

Grrr...that one just irritates me to no end. I bought a (barely) used 2007 in 2008. $400 excise tax for the 'privilege' of riding on roads dotted with potholes and lousy patch jobs. Of course you can't see them in the winter because the plows barely touch the ground after a storm.

I wonder how many of the people who bought into the 'Cash for Clunkers' nonsense contemplated the excise tax bill when they bought that car they really couldn't afford?
33 posted on 02/14/2010 6:41:07 PM PST by LostInBayport (2010 - The Second American Revolution. The first shot was fired 1/19/2010 -- here in Massachusetts!)
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To: buccaneer81
Here in Columbus, our sales tax is 7.25%...

I get to NYC on a fairly regular basis (2 or 3 times a month) and the sales tax there is 8.25%.Ours,currently,is 6.25% (having been recently raised from 5%) and it looks as if there's gonna be a ballot question this November to lower it.I wouldn't be surprised if the question passed.OTOH,regardless of what our sales tax is something like two-thirds of the state's population lives within a 30 minute drive of two huge shopping malls in sales tax free New Hampshire.

34 posted on 02/14/2010 6:42:50 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: Lancey Howard

He’s a real Democrat and not some poser on Capital Hill. He refuses to attach his name to anybody. I applaud him for the steady hand that he has guided with during this time.


35 posted on 02/14/2010 6:43:26 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress

He sounds a little like the only Democrat I ever voted for, Governor Bob Casey of Pennsylvania, who ran for re-election against a pro-abortion RINO named Barbara Hafer in 1990. Casey was an old-fashioned Democrat who, if he was still alive, would be appalled at the communist takeover of his party. Alas, the old-fashioned Democrats are dying off.


36 posted on 02/14/2010 6:49:02 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Gay State Conservative
something like two-thirds of the state's population lives within a 30 minute drive of two huge shopping malls in sales tax free New Hampshire.

That was me in the '80s (lived in Woburn). I went to the big mall in Nashua (Pheasant Lane?) to buy my first stereo TV, and always bought all my booze in NH.

37 posted on 02/14/2010 6:51:11 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: cmj328
“It’s not a tax increase, but a shifting of the burden,’

Shifting the tax burden is an increase for some people.
38 posted on 02/14/2010 6:59:22 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: cmj328

The rich people will just move away.


39 posted on 02/14/2010 7:00:37 PM PST by elisheba
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To: cmj328

Can someone please explain the logic of raising taxes while the economy is down?

Lets see - more folks un and under employed, thus tax revenues down. Spending is down overall due to less security and less discretionary funds.

Thus, logically, states (or cities, or the federal government) then has a shortfall in budgeted receipts. OK so far.

So, while the consumers (taxpayers) are tightening their belt, the government just wont’ even think of any true effective cuts to their budget - instead they decide to grab MORE in taxes, thus further reducing spending. But again - at least big brother gets his cut first...

This is just stupid.


40 posted on 02/14/2010 7:47:51 PM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: cmj328

“As part of an effort to make Concord more affordable and diverse”


I love this stuff. Concord’s idea of diversity is red hair and blond hair.


41 posted on 02/14/2010 7:51:13 PM PST by Mears
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To: cmj328

“local officials want to shift the tax burden off most property owners and onto the town’s wealthiest residents.”

Pure Communism.


42 posted on 02/15/2010 5:05:32 AM PST by RoadTest (The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. Ps. 119:130)
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