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Why did so many people die in Haiti's quake?
BBC News ^ | February 14, 2010 | Lucy Rodgers

Posted on 02/14/2010 6:17:37 PM PST by EnjoyingLife

The devastating earthquakes that hit China on 12 May 2008, Italy on 6 April 2009 and Haiti one month ago [12 January 2010] all measured above 6.0 and took many lives. But why was the human cost so much greater for Haiti?


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: earthquake; haiti
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1 posted on 02/14/2010 6:17:37 PM PST by EnjoyingLife
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To: EnjoyingLife

Poor construction on buildings.


2 posted on 02/14/2010 6:18:33 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: EnjoyingLife

Corruption.


3 posted on 02/14/2010 6:19:26 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: EnjoyingLife

Being such a rich, advanced and modern country Haiti found its hi-tech systems vulnerable to earthquakes?

//sarc

Seriously. Its dirt poor. It needs liberty and capitalism, badly.

Plus when you get that high on the rochter scale, concrete basically turns liquid.


4 posted on 02/14/2010 6:20:10 PM PST by GeronL (Dignity is earned from yourself. Respect is earned from others.)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Why did so many people die in Haiti's quake?

Gezzz..They have to ask this question??

5 posted on 02/14/2010 6:21:20 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: sonofstrangelove

poor construction because of the lack of rebar in their buildings......steel costs are high when always imported.


6 posted on 02/14/2010 6:21:28 PM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: EnjoyingLife

For one thing, it appears their building codes prohibit the use of rebar.


7 posted on 02/14/2010 6:22:36 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: sonofstrangelove

and rampant malnurishment amongst the populace. and lack of training and equipment to pull the injured from the rubble quickly. and the list goes on.

This is a situation with a host of contributing factors, rather than a single over riding factor.


8 posted on 02/14/2010 6:22:44 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: EnjoyingLife

Because we evil capitalist white Americans didn’t give up even more of our paychecks to build quakeproof housing for a noble and deserving third world hellhole.


9 posted on 02/14/2010 6:23:07 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: EnjoyingLife

Because the higher you can inflate the numbers, the more international (U.S) $$$ you can expect.


10 posted on 02/14/2010 6:23:28 PM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: MrEdd
This is a situation with a host of contributing factors, rather than a single over riding factor
I agree with you.
11 posted on 02/14/2010 6:24:00 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Yes, you know if you live in LA. The building codes are super strict. They add many dollars to any construction on property.

Strict building codes, no pay offs = safety in earthquake conditions.


12 posted on 02/14/2010 6:25:00 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: MrEdd

They don’t even have a fire department. In the whole country.

I don’t think fire was a big issue. It just reveals the incredible lack of resources in what should be a reasonably wealthy country.


13 posted on 02/14/2010 6:26:35 PM PST by Persevero
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To: sionnsar
Corruption.

True, for century's

14 posted on 02/14/2010 6:27:04 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: GeronL

I think its the sphincter factor scale


15 posted on 02/14/2010 6:27:26 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: sonofstrangelove
After the earthquake there was a cloud of dust that engulfed Port-au-Prince. That was obviously the first indicator of the mass destruction of the city. I can't imagine seeing that cloud of death in person.
16 posted on 02/14/2010 6:27:45 PM PST by ATX 1985
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To: EnjoyingLife

The dirt they could have used to reinforce their buildings they had to eat to survive.


17 posted on 02/14/2010 6:28:09 PM PST by LiberConservative
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To: ConservaTexan

The Haitians would have been inclined to inflate numbers to increase aid, as you suggest. On the flip side, the Chinese would tend to deflate numbers as a matter of pride.


18 posted on 02/14/2010 6:29:04 PM PST by the_Watchman
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To: BunnySlippers

I want to feel safe when I enter into a building in downtown LA that I will be able to survive and that the buiding will not collapse.


19 posted on 02/14/2010 6:30:11 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: Texas Eagle

Bingo, I did not see one piece of rebar during ALL of the coverage.


20 posted on 02/14/2010 6:30:26 PM PST by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: sonofstrangelove

A missionary that has worked in Haiti said that while his group in making their own cinder blocks would get around 20 blocks (I forgot the exact number) from a bag of cement, Haitians would make about 80 from the same amount of cement. When the earthquake came the poorly made, mostly sand blocks crumbled. It’s understandable if one doesn’t have much money and can’t afford the building materials that you’ll stretch what you have. But this lean mix of concrete had fatal implications.


21 posted on 02/14/2010 6:30:41 PM PST by Hamilcar_Barca (Palin 2012)
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To: EnjoyingLife
Why did so many people die in Haiti's quake?

Cause George Bush hates black people.

22 posted on 02/14/2010 6:31:24 PM PST by digger48
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To: EnjoyingLife

Another factor, besides the poor construction quality, is the construction material.

Concrete in warm countries is fatal during earthquakes.

Cold countries use wood-based materials, for the most part.


23 posted on 02/14/2010 6:31:30 PM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: EnjoyingLife
What HAS the UN been doing there these past years? Certainly nothing of substance that would actually have advanced this country. Oh. . .that's right. UN 'Relief' WAS the premier business of Haity. . .and the UN and USA promoted it for all it was worth. This kind of poverty of mind and will, does kill.

OK. . .yes, the poor construction never meant to meet an earthquake and endure. . .nor the population so embedded.

One more thing; the 'rescue' itself.

24 posted on 02/14/2010 6:33:01 PM PST by cricket (Proud to be in the 'Party of NO')
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To: sonofstrangelove

I have worked on the 25th floor of a building in Brentwood for 19 years. I still do.

My family has lived in So Cal for 150 years. No one has been hurt in an earthquake.


25 posted on 02/14/2010 6:34:46 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: ConservaTexan
Because the higher you can inflate the numbers, the more international (U.S) $$$ you can expect.

This is true but the ones doing it and getting the money are the aid agencies. There was a transparency international report that 938 million dollars raised for tsunami simply disappeared and the culprits were the aid agencies.

26 posted on 02/14/2010 6:34:55 PM PST by JimWayne
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To: Persevero

Received this via email 5 minutes ago concerning the recent history of Haiti. It sound reasonable to me.

In the 1700’s what is now Haiti was called the “Jewel of the Caribbean,” and supplied about 40% of the world’s sugar.
In 1791 the government of France passed legislation to phase out slavery in its Caribbean colonies and grant the former Negro slaves citizenship. Rather than becoming citizens, Haiti’s Negro population mass murdered all whites and Mulattoes who could not flee the Island in time. In 1804 only full blooded Negros remained and Haiti became the first Negro ruled nation.
The Haitian revolution dominated America’s debate over slavery. While both the north and the south agreed that slavery should be ended, southerners and a large percentage of northerners universally opposed having a large population of freed slaves living in their midst. The Haitian “Revolution” was fresh in every one’s mind.

Flash forward to 1915. The “Jewel of the Caribbean” is now a desolate cesspool, that is exporting almost no sugar. The United States decides to “take up the white man’s burden” and send the US Marine Corps to rebuild Haiti’s infrastructure and feed it’s starving population. The United States gave huge amounts of money to Haiti and over-saw the building of 1,000 miles of road, telephone lines, modernized its port, and helped Haiti to start exporting sugar once again. The US also put an end to the thousands of bandits along Haiti’s border with the Dominican Republic. The US left in 1934 at the request of the then stabilized and very ungrateful Haitian government.

Haiti immediately sank straight back into total desolation strife. In 1973 the United State once again began playing a huge role in Haiti, giving the Island huge sums of money in handouts each year. In 1994 the Clinton administration once again sent the US military to Haiti to rebuild the Island’s infrastructure. In 1995 the Peace Corps went to Haiti in large numbers to train the Haitians in job skills. The US government spent almost one Billion providing food and job training to the Haitians between 1995 and 1999.

So when Obama says that Haiti has our “full, unwavering, support,” they have already had our full support since 1915..


27 posted on 02/14/2010 6:36:28 PM PST by stickywillie
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To: BunnySlippers

I liven in LA all my life. The only quake I was injured is when part of a plate glass window sliced my back during the 1994 Northridge quake.


28 posted on 02/14/2010 6:36:37 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: sonofstrangelove

My sis lives in SF. When we went to the horse track/casino here in IN this summer, the first thing she did when she walked in was scan for the exits.


29 posted on 02/14/2010 6:36:48 PM PST by digger48
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To: EnjoyingLife

Concrete without steel in it is just not resistant to shaking. I lived in Istanbul as a child in the 50s and I remember every time there was a little shock that might move my bed at night an inch or make me skip a step, a couple of apartment buildings would collapse. I saw one of them after such a joltlet. It was just a pile of rubble. I remember my dad looking at the debris and saying,”No steel, what were they thinking?”


30 posted on 02/14/2010 6:37:21 PM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: digger48

That is what I do when entering a building. I find the exits.


31 posted on 02/14/2010 6:37:35 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: EnjoyingLife

A centralized government forced everyone to move to the main city with zero building codes. The solution is a non-centralized government and reasonable building codes.


32 posted on 02/14/2010 6:37:56 PM PST by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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To: James C. Bennett

Many unscrupulous contractors add sand to the concrete.


33 posted on 02/14/2010 6:39:32 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: EnjoyingLife

WHY?... houses built on and out of sand.. with a little concrete..


34 posted on 02/14/2010 6:39:59 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: BunnySlippers
Building codes people can't afford = no buildings = death due to exposure under normal weather conditions.

Great affluence + no experience outside of wealthy areas = clueless arrogance and condescension

35 posted on 02/14/2010 6:40:21 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: EnjoyingLife

Maybe we should ask Nagin?!


36 posted on 02/14/2010 6:40:28 PM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: EnjoyingLife

No rebar.


37 posted on 02/14/2010 6:41:50 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: Texas Eagle

“For one thing, it appears their building codes prohibit the use of rebar.”

I think you are right.
I live in a third world country, but the concrete block houses, such as one that I live in, all have rebar.
Even concrete property boarder walls have rebar.
The wooden houses are so light weight (nepa huts), they would
not likely kill anyone, even if they totally collapsed.

I might add, Philippine people have an IQ that is probably
on the genius level, compared to Haitians.


38 posted on 02/14/2010 6:42:31 PM PST by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: MrEdd

You cannot avoid strict building codes in LA, You follow them or stop building.

I am grateful for them.


39 posted on 02/14/2010 6:44:50 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: digger48

Thank you, I still get a laugh whenever I seen “It’s Bush’s fault” or something similar.


40 posted on 02/14/2010 6:45:43 PM PST by Rudolphus (Tagline? I don't need no steenkin' tagline.)
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To: EnjoyingLife

Gravity, the mechanics of materials, and architectural design and engineering.


41 posted on 02/14/2010 6:48:04 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Rudolphus
Thank you, I still get a laugh whenever I seen “It’s Bush’s fault” or something similar.

My whites didn't come as clean as I would have liked for them to be today, and I'm perty darn sure that I would never had to suffer such ills if it were not for those "tax cuts for the rich"

42 posted on 02/14/2010 6:51:01 PM PST by digger48
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To: EnjoyingLife

Uncle Sam has “saved” them what, 15-20 times over the past century. We must have built them some buildings over that time. It would be an interesting exercise in real journalism to see how such held up compared to native construction.


43 posted on 02/14/2010 6:52:26 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: stickywillie

Haiti and the tonton macoute
2-minute video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cyGqzgJd3M

Tonton Macoutes (Haitian Creole = bogeymen), personal police force of dictator Francois Duvalier Duvalier, dictator of Haiti 1957–71. (Papa Doc)

Unpaid volunteers who were directly responsible only to Duvalier, they were given virtual license to torture, kill, and extort. They murdered hundreds of Duvalier’s opponents, sometimes publicly hanging the corpses as warnings.

After Papa Doc’s death (1971), his son Jean-Claude Duvalier Duvalier, president of Haiti 1971–86. (Baby Doc)

changed their name to the National Security Volunteers, though they continued to terrorize the citizenry. After the overthrow of Baby Doc in 1986, although officially disbanded, the group continued to spread terror.


44 posted on 02/14/2010 6:52:31 PM PST by donna (The founders of our nation understood "happy" to mean "blessed" by God.)
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To: EnjoyingLife

Earthquakes don’t kill people.
Buildings kill people.


45 posted on 02/14/2010 7:04:17 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 388 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: arthurus
Q:”No steel, what were they thinking?”

A: $$$

46 posted on 02/14/2010 7:07:26 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (happily replying to threads without reading the articles since 2002)
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To: EnjoyingLife
"Why did so many people die in Haiti's quake?

Uhhh, because they were there when the earthquake occured?

No, seriously, it was all George Bush's Fault.



47 posted on 02/14/2010 7:07:29 PM PST by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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To: EnjoyingLife

Building codes. China has ‘em and adheres to them, sort of. Haiti doesn’t.
Also China can handle its own emergencies. Haiti can’t.


48 posted on 02/14/2010 7:13:59 PM PST by Little Ray (Madame President sounds really good to me...)
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To: EnjoyingLife

CAPITALISM,IMPERIALISM.


49 posted on 02/14/2010 7:15:41 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: buccaneer81
Because we evil capitalist white Americans didn’t give up even more of our paychecks to build quakeproof housing for a noble and deserving third world hellhole.

LOL - I see you've been reading liberal sites again...

50 posted on 02/14/2010 7:19:01 PM PST by GOPJ (Nobody likes to be lectured by those claiming superior wisdom but lacking common sense - - Hanson)
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