You don't understand. Electricity comes from the Electricity Fairy.
Posted on 02/14/2010 6:19:51 PM PST by reaganaut1
SAN FRANCISCO — If electric cars have any future in the United States, this may be the city where they arrive first.
The San Francisco building code will soon be revised to require that new structures be wired for car chargers. Across the street from City Hall, some drivers are already plugging converted hybrids into a row of charging stations.
In nearby Silicon Valley, companies are ordering workplace charging stations in the belief that their employees will be first in line when electric cars begin arriving in showrooms. And at the headquarters of Pacific Gas and Electric, utility executives are preparing “heat maps” of neighborhoods that they fear may overload the power grid in their exuberance for electric cars.
“There is a huge momentum here,” said Andrew Tang, an executive at P.G.& E.
As automakers prepare to introduce the first mass-market electric cars late this year, it is increasingly evident that the cars will get their most serious tryout in just a handful of places. In cities like San Francisco, Portland, Ore., and San Diego, a combination of green consciousness and enthusiasm for new technology seems to be stirring public interest in the cars.
The first wave of electric car buying is expected to begin around December, when Nissan introduces the Leaf, a five-passenger electric car that will have a range of 100 miles on a fully charged battery and be priced for middle-class families.
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“If you just allow willy-nilly random charging, are we going to have neighborhood blackouts?” asked Mr. Tang, the utility executive. He said a single car could consume three times as much electricity as a typical San Francisco home.
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I wanna see those low-charge electric cars take those San Fran hills.
Just wondering where all this “new” electricity is going to come from to charge these cars. I bet most people don’t have a clue on how this works.
Is that ever the truth... clueless....
You don't understand. Electricity comes from the Electricity Fairy.
Is PG&E going to add to their gas-turbine powered peaking capacity to handle all the car chargers? I know there’s one such plant a few miles south of San Jose, I saw it with my own eyes.
electric cars and high-speed rail are going to be the saviors of nuclear power generation
Wull.....the wall, dummy!
Geez
Wow I never knew there was an electricity fairy. Do spiders weave their clothes like they do for the standard woodland fairies?
Great point! I hope, anyway.
A range of 100 miles on a FULLY charged battery? Going to & from work or dropping kids off at school(s) plus 1 or 2 stops at the grocery store and any errands to run, will eat that 100 mile range up in ANY medium to larger size city. I predict that towing companies will see a huge boost in cars needing to be towed! BWWRRRRAAAAHHH! The eco-environmento-wacko libturds will take yet another one in the short!
ps. I wonder if the the commie pig socialist 0bozo & his bunch of gas guzzling commie buddies will give up their armor plated black SUV's & taxpayer funded AF1 junkets to jet all over the country? Bastards!!!
The liberals don’t think through the fact that enormous amounts of electricity would have to be generated to re-charge millions of electric cars, if this happens.
All the liberals see is that a “green” car will not emit any pollution. They can’t comprehend the concept of how electricity is generated in the first place.
More Coal than Natural Gas. Even more so when recharged at night.
and we have a WINNER !!!!
And they’re gonna get their volts from where?
Making the homeless pedal some generators, perhaps?
Has anyone done a cost analysis and carbon impact analysis on the use of gasoline internal combustion engine versus the hybrid engine concept. I have a feeling that hybrids are more of a feel good concept than a practical one.
There are any number of legitimate reasons why automobiles have been powered by gasoline.
Electricity just comes outta thin air, I’ve seen it many times in thunderstorms!
They are a bunch of a$$hats.
Where do the expired batteries get buried?
If you have never seen this, it is a good reality check and good for a laugh at the end.
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/electric-shocker
Greenies (and libs for that matter) can't think past step one of any plan. Here is their typical idea in motion;
Phase1: Collect underpants
Phase2: ?
Phase3: Profit!
[snicker]
California is power short now.
It's the amount of BTU's in gasoline. The BTU's in eight gallons of Gasoline equal 293.083 kWh of Electricity. Note the average U.S. household used 920 kWh a month in 2006. (Dept. of Energy.
Average cost per kwh in California is 14 cents, so 293 kwh X 0.14 = $41.20. $41.20 / 8 gallons = $5.12. That's before the cost of the changing equipment or the additional cost of the electric car.
I remember reading an essay by Jerry Pournelle and Larry Niven in the 80’s about going to a “Green” convention and seeing a device for generating electricity and making bread. It was a stationary bike hooked to a generator where the operator peddled, and where the handle bars were was a flat surface to mix and kneed bread.
Their comment was, all you need is to put a minority in the saddle and have a guy in a uniform with a whip over him to make it really efficient, because if we are going back to muscle power to power civilization, slavery won’t be far behind....
From some kind of offset program, and by charging coal/power producing states more for electricity.
Are these pay per charge or do taxpayers pick up the bill for these public charging stations?
[One expert] said a single car could consume three times as much electricity as a typical San Francisco home.
Won't that be pretty expensive?
Disregarding cost, an electric motor is approx. 90% efficient, while the ICE is only 24% efficient. It’s the cheapness of oil that makes it economical to drive an ICE.
>Is burning natural gas to generate electricity so much better for the environment than burning gasoline in a car?
Even better, you need to add in electric line losses, and heavy cars, so energy usage won’t drop appreciably.
[Disregarding cost, an electric motor is approx. 90% efficient, while the ICE is only 24% efficient. ]
But a coal or nat gas turbine is maybe 40% efficient and you have powerline losses (maybe 90% efficient).
So the electric car is .9 * .4 * .9 = 32.4% efficient.
Now figure the pollution required to build an electric as the difference in cost with the ICE powered car plus add in the cost of the huge infrastructure upgrade and maintenance. Voila! Running in circles!
I’d like to see how well those batteries do on -10 degree morning when the driver turns on his lights and heater...or are they not going to have heaters?
Just wondering where all this “new” electricity is going to come from...?
Won’t be “New” electricity, they’ll just recycle
the “old” electricity.
I’d love to see what the range of an electric car is in 0 degree weather. How well does it deal with 3 foot snow drifts?
People in California seem to know how the rest of the US should act but they don’t have to deal with the weather.
| The San Francisco building code will soon be revised to require that new structures be wired for car chargers.
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Naaah...why bother using dangerous technology like that when you can use Power Points...which according to a multiple-choice survey a good number of Californians believe is the source of electrical power.
The Nissan “Leaf”?? That’s about as good as the original GM “Impact” later renamed EV-1.
What does the “Leaf” represent? The battery pack dying every fall and getting replenished anew in every spring time? That’ll sell real well.
natural gas is american made. Gasoline comes from saudi and venezuela.
I say build a car that runs on liquified natural gas.
They’ll be great when the next big one hits San Fran. You can just bury them as they are with the dead people inside. They’re little carbon coffins, maybe make the wheels into a little memorial circle and plant a little shrub in each one.
It’s the energy density of oil that makes it practical. Batteries don’t have that...at any cost. Even if the batteries were free, electric cars still can’t compete with gasoline at today’s level of technology.
Then compare the time it takes to load an equivalent amount of energy into your vehicle. Lastly, compare the projected lifetime of your storage devices, viz your gas tank and your battery pack. Try to remember back to the last time you had to change out your gas tank because it reached the end of its life and could no longer store gasoline. Think real hard now.
Here lies stinky & stupid.... it was no way to go through life.
Who is building in SF? They can order new buildings to have this stuff but who is building?
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Isn't is already illegal in San Francisco to build anything new? I mean, think of the impact on the environment.