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Does Obama need the birthers? I think he needs them. Badly. Here's why:

Posted on 02/16/2010 6:06:07 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing

Obama recently said this:

"Surely you can question my policies without questions my faith, or for that matter my citizenship."

This quote is significant, and IMHO desperate.

Progressives play political games. Especially with words; political correctness is only one fascet of this. Many times, they throw stuff out hoping someone will pick it up. I think that's what this is. They are out there thinking "pick it up, PICK IT UP!" whether it gets picked up or not in a day, week, month, or more.

For all the anger that conservatives had that the progressive media didn't go after van jones for a multitude of things, it was that Jones was a 'truther' that did him in. 'Truther' has become synonymous with whackjob, and the media have been successful in getting 'birther' to also be synonymous with whacko.

As the beneficiary of most of the media's propaganda, surely Obama knows this and is in a position to capitalize upon it.


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KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthcertifigate; birthers; certifigate; chat; discreditism; liberalfascism; liberalprogressivism; misquote; naturalborncitizen; obama; progressivism; propaganda; pumas; vanity
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1 posted on 02/16/2010 6:06:08 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I found that quote very telling, as well....but for a wholly different reason.

I think...he’s scared. Yes, really.


2 posted on 02/16/2010 6:08:48 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

The media is progressives main tool however over time tools become very dull and useless.


3 posted on 02/16/2010 6:10:49 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

It seems to me he is trying to play the sympathy card. I cannot feel bad for him, until he realizes what he is doing to us. Sympathy, trust etc. goes both ways, not just his way. Again, it’s all about him....how pathetic.


4 posted on 02/16/2010 6:11:44 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: RightOnline
I think...he’s scared. Yes, really.

The truth is out there and will only be hidden as long as the media wants it to be hidden. Once the bloodbath of November mid-terms pass, I would not be surprised if the media turns on him and we start learning about O's hidden past.

5 posted on 02/16/2010 6:12:41 AM PST by IamConservative (Liberty is all a good man needs to succeed.)
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To: RightOnline
Scared?, exactly correct. This is an attempt at a preemptive defense. There are many things currently in the works, that may expose this usurper and fraud. I am convinced that a fraud of this magnitude can not succeed indefinitely. One day it will come out. The sooner the better. At worst, Obama can not run for reelection as he would have to prove natural born citizenship in at least several states, which he can not do.
6 posted on 02/16/2010 6:24:34 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: RightOnline

——————I think...he’s scared. Yes, really.———————

I agree. That’s why he’s trying to get someone to pick it up.

Many on the left(not just obama) view calling someone a birther to be a powerful discreditism.


7 posted on 02/16/2010 6:25:46 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( I will finish what I started, and sometime soon. As I can. In pieces.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
the media have been successful in getting 'birther' to also be synonymous with whacko.

only in the minds of those who don't care about Article II of the Constitution and have forgotten about that SR511 drawn up by those 100 birther Senators back in 2008.

8 posted on 02/16/2010 6:26:29 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: RightOnline
I think...he’s scared. Yes, really.

I will have to also agree with your assumption.
Not sure Dr. Manning’s law suit against Columbia and Obama has merit, but it defently is keeping the heat on the birth-er issue.

9 posted on 02/16/2010 6:27:46 AM PST by buck61
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To: Uncle Chip

Something that shouldn’t be forgotten is that the original birthers were the hillary supporting PUMAs.


10 posted on 02/16/2010 6:27:47 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( I will finish what I started, and sometime soon. As I can. In pieces.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Conspiracy theory #10467-B:

Obama has sequestered his birth records in Hawaii specifically to FUEL this kind of speculation, allowing him then to paint his opposition as a bunch of fringe whacko nutjobs.


11 posted on 02/16/2010 6:33:57 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
"Surely you can question my policies without questions my faith, or for that matter my citizenship."

How many "Surelies" do we have in the conservative movement who are taking their orders, like this one, directly from the usurper's mouth.

12 posted on 02/16/2010 6:35:15 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: IamConservative
The truth is out there and will only be hidden as long as the media wants it to be hidden. Once the bloodbath of November mid-terms pass, I would not be surprised if the media turns on him and we start learning about O's hidden past.

If that happens then it will be because the media will want some other liberal to run for POTUS in 2012.

If the Republicans win big in 2010 then Barry will be considered damage goods and the libs will want someone that might be able to win in 2012. So the left might end up throwing Barry under the bus which would be ironic considering all the people that Barry has throw under there.
13 posted on 02/16/2010 6:35:48 AM PST by Ticonderoga34 (Free Obama's Birth Certificate!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

The problem for Obama in playing that game is...what happens after the laughter dies down and someone in the media asks “well why don’t you just release your long form birth certificate then and show these people how silly they are?”

(Note: I’ve been called a birther, afterbirther, denier, etc etc by both sides. I think many people involved are nutty like that dentist lady...but I do wonder why he won’t release it.)


14 posted on 02/16/2010 6:36:15 AM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Nope — many here and elsewhere were onto this from the moment of Obama’s candidacy. The PUMAs were late to the party.


15 posted on 02/16/2010 6:37:02 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: LucyT; STARWISE; Fred Nerks; Las Vegas Ron
Frankly, this administration seems to be all avid students of the premise put forth in the bestseller, THE SECRET, where BELIEF in something makes it TRUE.

They feel that if they say enough times that 'birfers' are nuts, that then that will happen, because EVERYBODY will believe them.

If they tell us the stimulus is creating billions of jobs, and repeat that statement one million times as a positive affirmation, it will materialize into reality.

These folks are NUTS.

There is a clinical term for such ideation.

It is called, magical thinking AND it is considered very unhealthy, a sign of psychological derangement.

Course this is the OPRAH ADMINISTRATION -- so they only read pop psychology and have NO idea that Oprah & her authors are running a billionaire conning scheme on the reading public.

16 posted on 02/16/2010 6:40:10 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Uncle Chip

Some people understand the games progressives play.

Some don’t understand.

Which are you?


17 posted on 02/16/2010 6:40:26 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( I will finish what I started, and sometime soon. As I can. In pieces.)
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To: icwhatudo

Nobody in the media is going to ask him that.

Except for fox, maybe. But then again, fox isn’t a real news outlet anyways. *rolls eyes* Especially at this point. The progressive media outlets never saw it as valid, and with as much discreditting as they’ve done, fox wouldn’t touch it at this point.

That’s the beauty of being a progressive politician in a nation with a majority of progressive news outlets. You don’t get asked all kinds of questions.

And there’s been so much about Obama, even right from the beginning, that there’s no need for all this birth certificate stuff. No matter how valid it may be.

I’m more interested in seeing his college works uncovered.


18 posted on 02/16/2010 6:43:50 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( I will finish what I started, and sometime soon. As I can. In pieces.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I understand quite well -- and well beyond your question.

Do you understand my answer???

19 posted on 02/16/2010 6:44:35 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: hennie pennie
It's my impression that Michelle Robinson Obama is the only one in that entire crew of misfit hyperintellectuals that realizes that the more they LAUGH AT THE BIRFERS, that the more Americans start to notice and read about the missing long form birth certificate.

The Law Lecture Barry Soetoro will NOT remain safe using clinical defense mechanisms such as denial and reaction formation.

But these kidz only read the pop psychology authors who show up on Oprah.

And Barry would never listen to his wife Michelle, because her street smarts can't compete with the Ivy League Elite he's so proud to be a part of.

How pathetic.

How many people in America want to grow up to be part of the East Coast Ivy League Elite????

Oh, that's right, BHO didn't grow up in America.

20 posted on 02/16/2010 6:44:58 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie
Your post makes a lot of sense, and you're right. These people are nuts.

But it isn't just about the administration. They should be called 'the media administration' because of how in bed the media and the government have become.

Here:

Big Hollywood: Why We Fight

No, no, no, no. What the right is experiencing at the moment is a phenomenon called “cultural para-stimuli.” You can read all about it in Tom Wolfe’s wonderful novel I Am Charlotte Simmons. It’s sort of like peer pressure on steroids. It was discovered by Nobel Laureate Victor Ransome Starling, who found that when he surrounded normal cats with cats whose behavior had been bizarrely altered by brain surgery, the normal cats began acting like the crazy cats all around them.

That’s us–surrounded by the mainstream media. So steeped are we now in their lies about our representatives, their ridicule of our commentators, their demonizing dismissal of the causes we know are just, that we’ve begun to adopt their attitudes toward ourselves! And perhaps chief among the lies they’ve sold us is the lie that they’ve won, that the media are theirs for good and all, and that Americans are going to be hoodwinked and brainwashed by their constant barrage of misinformation forever.

As conservatives, we need to understand that the media is always one step ahead of us. That will remain a given as long as they are a majority. Thankfully, we are winning the battle. But it isn't over yet.

And as far as the quote in my original post, I think Obama is trying to capitalize upon the media's works to discredit "birthers". Like it or not, the media have been successful here.

21 posted on 02/16/2010 6:49:07 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( I will finish what I started, and sometime soon. As I can. In pieces.)
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To: hennie pennie
Frankly, this administration seems to be all avid students of the premise put forth in the bestseller, THE SECRET, where BELIEF in something makes it TRUE. They feel that if they say enough times that 'birfers' are nuts, that then that will happen, because EVERYBODY will believe them ....

There is a clinical term for such ideation. It is called, magical thinking AND it is considered very unhealthy, a sign of psychological derangement.

Very astute observation --

22 posted on 02/16/2010 6:59:14 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip
You know, I've been surprised that I've not seen any commentary about this anywhere, as it seems so obvious to me.

It's one of the reasons that I do NOT despise Michelle Obama, but I cannot stand Oprah Winfrey --- Oprah believes all that b.s. that her billionaire authors spout on her show; Oprah hasn't ever settled her own "issues" so doesn't notice that all this pop psych crap she's mainstreamed into America doesn't WORK.

Michelle's too street smart, too real, to EVER believe that "Thinking makes it so."

The rest of the administration, sans Hillary, ALL of them seem to believe that BELIEF creates reality, that EVERYTHING is perception.

Michelle is probably the only one of these insufferable Beltway Elites who has has day-to-day regular contact with regular Americans for most of her life.

NO wonder she doesn't "fit in" ---- and that's a compliment on her, LOLOL --- who'd want to ever FIT it to D.C.?????

23 posted on 02/16/2010 7:16:47 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Buckeye McFrog
"Obama has sequestered his birth records in Hawaii specifically to FUEL this kind of speculation, allowing him then to paint his opposition as a bunch of fringe whacko nutjobs. "

We can only be bothered by the media calling us names if we let those names affect us.

If we need to define "whacko nutjobs", I'd say the person who spends over a million bucks to hid his birth certificate and othe facets of his past, is much more of a "whacko nutjob" than people demanding to know if our pResident is actually eligible to hold office, given the self-professed facts that we know about him already.

Where there is smoke, there is fire...and you don't call the firemen "whacko nutjobs" for seeking out the fire...you save that for the pyromaniac.

As far as "birthers" go, that moniker was foisted upon us by the media anyway, so I refuse to use the term.

COLB Lockbox


24 posted on 02/16/2010 7:22:21 AM PST by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
- Napoleon Bonaparte


25 posted on 02/16/2010 7:28:55 AM PST by Pan_Yan (Is the sarcasm tag really necessary?)
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To: FrankR

When the truth and documents are revealed releasing all the imformation that has been hidden from the public, the people who were privy to the truth will also be revealed. Pelosi, Biden, etc., will have a tremendous amount of explaining to do. This will be interesting. Chris Mathews may have to cut his leg off for the amount of pain going up it.


26 posted on 02/16/2010 7:37:10 AM PST by classified
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To: Vaduz

The MSM fall into the category of the Communist’s “useful idiots”.


27 posted on 02/16/2010 7:38:17 AM PST by dumpthelibs (dumpthelibs)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
And as far as the quote in my original post, I think Obama is trying to capitalize upon the media's works to discredit "birthers". Like it or not, the media have been successful here.

Have they been successful with you???

28 posted on 02/16/2010 7:39:23 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Ticonderoga34
If that happens then it will be because the media will want some other liberal to run for POTUS in 2012.

Kennedy mounted a strong challenge against Carter in 1980. Perhaps these current events will lead us to another strong conservative President.

29 posted on 02/16/2010 7:40:35 AM PST by IamConservative (Liberty is all a good man needs to succeed.)
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To: dumpthelibs

Yep


30 posted on 02/16/2010 8:06:15 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Uncle Chip

No.


31 posted on 02/16/2010 8:14:39 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( I will finish what I started, and sometime soon. As I can. In pieces.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

relATED...

http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/false-flags-false-friends-and-false-family-by-greg-grisham/


32 posted on 02/16/2010 8:29:55 AM PST by gunnyg (Laddies, We're Behind Enemy Within Lines...)
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To: faucetman
...Obama can not run for reelection as he would have to prove natural born citizenship in at least several states...

WHICH?!

33 posted on 02/16/2010 9:09:10 AM PST by 1234 ("1984")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
"Surely you can question my policies without questions my faith, or for that matter my citizenship."

Who doesn't question his policies, his faith and his citizenship? I'd love to know if he mentioned citizenship on purpose or if it was a slip. Same for his faith. What faith is he?

Otherwise, he's saying more or less the same thing as people here who don't think there's anything to the BC issue when they say to let it go, that there are more important things to focus on.

34 posted on 02/16/2010 10:12:31 AM PST by GBA
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Does Obama need the birthers? I think he needs them. Badly. Here's why:

False. It's not helping not 1 bit. Anyone who thinks that the "Birther" eligibility issue will propel Obama to highs in popularity against his failed policies and administration is not looking at the facts and are just silly fool. I want these same fools to keep saying the Birthers are helping Obama or the Dims in November when they lose both houses of Congress.

35 posted on 02/16/2010 1:46:17 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

—————Anyone who thinks that the “Birther” eligibility issue will propel Obama to highs in popularity——————

I doubt even Obama thinks that.

He is looking for a distraction.

A discreditism.

This has proven to slow the decline. All presidents and politicians do this, but those with the media on their side can have a higher rate of successful ‘brake applying’.


36 posted on 02/16/2010 2:02:22 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( I will finish what I started, and sometime soon. As I can. In pieces.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

The “distraction” is not going to get people to forget what a loser that he is. And besides, I would say it’s better than even money at sometime in the future we find out what Obama is hiding. Again, he will turn up being the loser.


37 posted on 02/16/2010 2:10:20 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

————The “distraction” is not going to get people to forget what a loser that he is.——————

We agree.

But he is clearly trying. There’s no other reason. This hasn’t been a hot media topic for a while. He’s trying to get it started.

Thankfully, it doesn’t seem like many picked it up like he hoped.


38 posted on 02/16/2010 2:13:49 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( I will finish what I started, and sometime soon. As I can. In pieces.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing; faucetman; All

You’re both dead-on right. Obama and crew are absolutely counting on their accomplices in the MSM to keep this A) covered up, and B)labeled as some sort of idiotic, lunatic fringe conspiracy theory promulgated by wild-eyed, ultra right wing nutcases.

Of course, we know better. Further, I wonder......what will be the reaction by the general public if/when all of this eventually comes out? Will they finally be livid at the MSM for their lack of diligence; for their obvious cover-up? What about the non-existent vetting process? Do you think there will be genuine outrage that all of this was ever allowed to happen in this country?


39 posted on 02/16/2010 3:18:11 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Hawaii: Obama Birth Certificate Is Real
July 28, 2009
USA TODAY
By Dan Nakaso, The Honolulu Advertiser
In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, Hawaii’s health director reiterated Monday afternoon that she has personally seen Obama’s birth certificate in the Health Department’s archives:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago....”

On Oct. 31, Fukino originally tried to put an end to the belief among “birthers” that Obama was born in Kenya and thus was ineligible to run for the office of president.

Despite Fukino’s statements, the issue has continued to resonate from Capitol Hill to the national airwaves.

Last week, CNN’s Lou Dobbs demanded Obama’s original birth certificate. CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein told staffers of Lou Dobbs Tonight that the issue is a “dead” story, Kline told the Los Angeles Times in an interview published Sunday.

In an e-mail, the Times reported, Klein wrote that CNN researchers determined that Obama’s 1961 birth certificate no longer exists because Hawaiian officials had discarded paper documents in 2001 — a claim denied Monday by Hawaiian health officials.

In 2001, Hawaii’s paper documents were reproduced in electronic format, but “any paper data prior to that still exists,” Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said.

Okubo would not say where Obama’s original birth certificate is but said, “We have backups for all of our backups.”

A congressional resolution introduced by Rep. Neil Abercrombie, D-Hawaii, to commemorate the 50th anniversary of island statehood was delayed Monday.

The resolution includes a clause noting Obama’s Hawaiian birthplace. The line “Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961” appeared to be construed by birthers as a thinly veiled attempt to get Congress to affirm Obama’s U.S. citizenship, said Dave Helfert, an Abercrombie spokesman.

As the issue came to a vote Monday, Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., rose to object, saying there was not a quorum present. The House later voted 378-0 to approve the resolution. Bachmann voted in favor of the resolution.

Birthers denounce the notion that Obama was born in Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, despite court rulings and statements by Fukino and Hawaii’s Republican governor, Linda Lingle.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm


40 posted on 02/16/2010 3:25:01 PM PST by jamese777
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To: Red Steel

“False. It’s not helping not 1 bit. Anyone who thinks that the “Birther” eligibility issue will propel Obama to highs in popularity against his failed policies and administration is not looking at the facts and are just silly fool. I want these same fools to keep saying the Birthers are helping Obama or the Dims in November when they lose both houses of Congress.”


I think the fact that Bowbama gave Georgia the Nuke Power rights, is an obvious attempt to silence the Nathan Deal and the current governor’s race.

The only ones that look silly to me are those who are fighting fellow’s to stop asking for truth and honesty from our government.

I think there is a term they try to pawn on those who only want constitutional prudence and truthful answers.

They call them “useful idiots” and they are like a plague.

However, I just wish the patricians would stop trying to defend the indefensible.


41 posted on 02/16/2010 7:31:31 PM PST by Herbster
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To: Red Steel

“False. It’s not helping not 1 bit. Anyone who thinks that the “Birther” eligibility issue will propel Obama to highs in popularity against his failed policies and administration is not looking at the facts and are just silly fool. I want these same fools to keep saying the Birthers are helping Obama or the Dims in November when they lose both houses of Congress.”


I think the fact that Bowbama gave Georgia the Nuke Power rights, is an obvious attempt to silence the Nathan Deal and the current governor’s race.

The only ones that look silly to me are those who are fighting fellow’s to stop asking for truth and honesty from our government.

I think there is a term they try to pawn on those who only want constitutional prudence and truthful answers.

They call them “useful idiots” and they are like a plague.

However, I just wish the patricians would stop trying to defend the indefensible.


42 posted on 02/16/2010 7:31:32 PM PST by Herbster
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

bump


43 posted on 02/17/2010 8:32:16 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Obama’s poll numbers have been dismal for months. The numbers for Congress are even worse. It is doubtful that Obama can spend his way out of this mess. We are looking at an implosion here. When the Democrats get out of denial mode and realize that they will lose both houses in the midterms it is possible that there could be some interesting fireworks. If they decide to throw Obama under the bus they will want to make it look like it’s Republican dirty work it so that they can pretend to be victims and hope for some type of sympathy reaction. This would probably be about as successful as the sympathy ploy used by the thug after he was beaten by Epic Beard Man.

Taquanda: Ay we can press charges. I got it on vidayoo teyp. Yoos leakin. He’s leakin.

Tyrone: “BRING DA AMBerLAMPS”


44 posted on 02/17/2010 9:02:03 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Question his faith? Faith in what? That Jesus was a black communist?

He is not a member of any church. He did not celebrate Christmas. He does not practice any religion and has no faith in anything except his own cult of personality.

45 posted on 02/17/2010 9:06:33 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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