Wouldn't have anything less...
Posted on 02/16/2010 8:08:21 AM PST by marktwain
One story circling the internet over the weekend came out of Dayton Ohio.
On Saturday, Feb. 6, Anthony Holtvogt, 24, was in a Dayton area Fricker's restaurant with his girlfriend and some other friends. According to reports, as they were leaving his sleeve got tangled in his coat and he looked down and saw the slide on his .32-caliber handgun was pulled back. He reached down for the gun and it went off, the bullet striking his girlfriend in the leg.
Fortunately, she had her Blackberry in her pocket and it stopped the bullet, leaving her with only a bruise and leaving Holtvogt facing charges and revocation of his concealed handgun permit.
"The Blackberry was in the right place at the right time and the bullet hit her in the right spot," said Butler Township Police Captain Carl Bush.
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That’s why I carry in a holster, not my pocket. Perhaps he needs a gun safety class.
An old saying SHOOT ‘EM IN THE LEG JUST TO HEAR THEM HOLLER.
“Slide pulled back”? Slam fire? I ain’t buying it — unless he was totin’ a real piece of junk...
What a dumbass. You never carry a gun in an unsecured manner so that it can fall out like that, or so that the slide or trigger can be pulled because your clothes got tangled up.
Well it was a .32 with a slide...
That why I would carry a semi-automatic unchambered. It doesn’t take long to rack the slide. It’s a tradeoff between speed and safety.
Would you consider a small frame 357 magnum? Just pull the trigger, always one in the chamber.
Take that, YOU evil Blackberry!
Amen to that!
I always carry chambered, cocked, and locked. That second or two it takes to “rack the slide” could be the difference between life and death. Another reason not to carry un-chambered is that “racking the slide” is when feeding problems are most likely to occur. Besides that, with one chambered and a full mag you have one more round than you do un-chambered.
lol
Guess that BB just needed killin'!
A double action only, semi-automatic is every bit as safe to carry with a round chambered as a revolver. That is why most of them don't even have a safety.
I’m with you.
Something fishy here.
Maybe the reporter does not know guns and meant to say hammer rather than slide.
Ditto. In a high-stress situation you devolve to the lowest level of your training. Glocks, M&Ps, XD's, revolvers, and then any DA or SA cocked & locked, in that order offer the shortest time on target and pulling the trigger effectively. If you train rigorously, there is no meaningful difference between dropping the safety-draw-fire on a 1911 and draw-fire on a glock.
BUT if you intentionally interject an added component of having to chamber a round before firing, not only have you added the extraordinarily strong potential of forgetting to do so under stress (I switched to glocks from 1911s because I missed the safety one time during ten years of matches) but you've also increased the likelihood of a malfunction because of an incomplete racking, and you've also increased the amount of time it will take you to get a two-handed firing position on target by at least .3 seconds and probably .7 to 1.0.
My fastest time ever is .68 seconds to draw from concealment and put a round on target. That's when I know there's a buzzer about to go off over my head and I'm already primed and ready to go. Add threat assessment time and the go-nogo decision to that and I'm already 1.75 to 2.5 seconds behind the bad guy's decision loop. And people still suggest I should drop another .7 seconds to rack my slide? 3.2 seconds is enough for a ramped up bad guy who has already made his go-nogo decison to put 5-6 holes in me.
The holster is the only mechanical safety that has any meaning. The .32 guy is an idiot for not having a better carrying option. The answer to this is to become less of an idiot, not to decide to carry a halfway ready gun.
I can see you have really thought this through.
I’m with ya’ on this.
Society would be a better place if everybody carried a Blackberry... no wait! Was it an ‘evil’ assault Blackberry? Never mind...
.32 isn’t a real gun. Throwing the gun at her would have caused more damage.
“.32 isn’t a real gun. Throwing the gun at her would have caused more damage.”
BS - ever hear this adage “the gun you have with you is better than the gun you left at home”
I’ve got a lovely little Walther PPK in .32, that Dad liberated from a Nazi officer. Fits real nice in the front pocket of my jeans. Federal Hydroshock JHP is a 65 grain bullet with 123 ft/lbs muzzle energy. It’s gonna hurt.
Yeah, and I also have the required 1911 in 45acp. Guess which one travels more often.
“I’ve got a lovely little Walther PPK in .32, that Dad liberated from a Nazi officer. Fits real nice in the front pocket of my jeans. Federal Hydroshock JHP is a 65 grain bullet with 123 ft/lbs muzzle energy. It’s gonna hurt.
Yeah, and I also have the required 1911 in 45acp. Guess which one travels more often.”
Same here except my PPK is in .380 ACP. Essentially the same. The PPK is far easier to conceal with most clothing, so it goes along far more often.
I also have a compact Glock in .40 S&W which I don’t shoot nearly as well. Much tighter groupings with the other 2 pieces.
I carry the same way - when I can carry. Against policy at my workplace. Sometimes I have it out in the car, but not very often. I agree it isn't the best way to carry...I also have a walther that has a 'de-cock' option. chamber a round, and press the de-cock...then, I just have to rack the slide about 1/2 inch to re-cock. But I still carry the smaller kel 9 most of the time.
I will give you that a .32 is probably better than nothing, but not much. I owned a .32 and the bullets BOUNCED OFF a telephone pole at 10 ft. A .380 would be my limit on a handgun for personal protection, but if a .380 is, say. $300, and a 9mm., .38 spec, or a used .40. or a used .357, why even buy a .380? It's certainly not for performance. I would rather have a .22lr more than a .25 or a .32. If you shoot your .32 into a real substance rather than paper, you can't help but see the difference in a 9mm and a .32. If you could hit the perp 4-5 times, he may bleed enough to pass out allowing you to escape. That's just not what I want to count on with my life.
Sure, I’d rather have a Kahr PM9 as a pocket pistol, and a new top for my Bushmaster and a Remington 1100 and a Glock 20 and a ...
Unfortunately, my pocket ain’t that deep, so I go with what I got. I don’t know what kind of telephone pole you were bouncing bullets off of, or what kind of load you were using; but I can tell you this, if I have to take a trip to Oakland and environs, I feel much better having the PPK in my “empty” pocket.
Interestingly, the latest issue of Blue Press from Dillon Precision addresses stopping power of small caliber pistol rounds. In brief, they say the .32ACP has 60% more muzzle energy than a .22LR, 95% more than a .25ACP
They go on to say that “published statistics” for the .32 has an average one-shot stop capability of about 60%, the .380 69~71% and the .38 Special 65~78%
I figure if I have to pull it, it’s going to be pretty close to a point blank situation, and it beats the heck out of throwing marshmallows.
You also have to understand that here in the People’s Republic of Kalifornia, if you carry to defend yourself, you are an outlaw, so deep concealment is a necessity.
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6!
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