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Sarah Palinís Bad Tea (Southern Avenger)
American Conservative ^ | 2010-02-08 | Jack Hunter aka Southern Avenger

Posted on 02/16/2010 8:10:38 AM PST by rabscuttle385

During her speech to the first ever National Tea Party Convention in Nashville on Saturday, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin discouraged the very idea of a national organization, urging the movement to stay leaderless and decentralized. This was the most important and valuable part of Palin’s speech.

As for the rest of it–Sarah sounded pretty much like the same old Republican Party.

Despite the many independents that make up the movement, the tea parties in large part represent a long overdue reexamination of conservative principles. A big-spending Democratic president seems to have awakened grassroots conservatives enough to finally lament the big spending of the last Republican president, and plenty of incumbents from both parties face voter backlash in 2010 and possibly beyond, particularly if they supported bailouts, stimulus, national healthcare, or other massive debt-incurring legislation.

The tea partiers are right to acknowledge and denounce Bush’s big-government growth of Medicare, the implementation of No Child Left Behind, and Dubya’s other expansions of the domestic state. But what they still seem to forget is what made conservatives so tolerant of big government during that time—an almost religious preoccupation with supporting the Iraq War.

Today, defense spending remains the largest part of the federal budget, dwarfing the bailouts, stimulus, healthcare, and other government programs that offend tea partiers most, and President Obama is still expanding that budget and escalating our wars. One would think cost-conscious voters would at least question Obama’s wisdom in continuing Bush’s exorbitant foreign policy. Yet few tea partiers are asking such questions, and according to Palin, Obama’s primary weakness is that he’s not enough like George W. Bush.

Following up her tea party speech on “Fox News Sunday,” Palin said of Obama, “If he decided to toughen up and do all that he can to secure our nation and our allies, I think people would perhaps shift their thinking a little bit and decide, Well, maybe he’s tougher than …he is today, and there wouldn’t be as much passion to make sure that he doesn’t serve another four years.”

What is Palin trying to say? That tea party anger towards Obama would lessen if the president was to “toughen up,” becoming even more intent on waging war? Does Palin believe that the massive domestic spending conservatives don’t like would be tolerated so long as Obama increases the massive foreign spending conservatives do like? Isn’t this exactly what happened under Bush?

At a time when a more radicalized, grassroots conservative base could feasibly be persuaded to question government spending as a whole; Palin seems intent on leading the populist Right back into the same old, big government, pro-war, any-war mindset. Conservatives as thoughtful as columnist George Will and as bombastic as radio host Michael Savage have asked recently if American dollars and lives are worth spending in Afghanistan. But for Palin, still, there is no question.

The necessity of endless war and the gargantuan government needed to sustain it is also not in question for the neoconservatives. When uber-neocon Daniel Pipes wrote an article for National Review Online last week called “How to Save the Obama Presidency: Bomb Iran,” the alleged purpose of the piece was to give the commander in chief some pointers on how to keep his command in 2012. But make no mistake—Pipes’s main concern is that somebody bombs Iran, regardless of which president or party. Pat Buchanan responded to Pipes in his syndicated column, asking if Obama would indeed play what the Buchanan calls “the war card,” something presidents have done in the past to boost their popularity. The difference is, traditional conservative Buchanan was clearly chastising what the neoconservative Pipes was advocating—the U.S. waging war simply to boost a politician’s poll numbers.

But Palin didn’t make the distinction, telling Fox News, “Say [Obama] played, and I got this from Buchanan, reading one of his columns the other day. Say he played the war card. Say he decided to declare war on Iran… things would dramatically change if he decided to toughen up and do all that he can to secure our nation…”

If the tea parties are supposed to represent a break from the big spending of both parties, Palin’s foreign policy views alone negate the entire tea party message. If the largest part of the U.S. budget—defense—is to be expanded indefinitely in the name of “toughness,” how can grassroots conservatives argue against bailouts, stimulus, and national healthcare, each of which costs much less? Real “toughness” might include not just using the same old Bush jargon, but a serious cost/benefit analysis of the U.S.’s habit of putting soldiers in harm’s way halfway around the globe for no discernible reason—while just mindlessly assuming our government has America’s best interests at heart.

Above all, real conservative “toughness” might require a real questioning of government at all levels. Unfortunately, conservatives whose attachment to the warfare state remains every bit as passionate as liberals’ attachment to the welfare state, continue to prove they have no serious intention of dismantling big government–only making noise about it. Just like Sarah Palin.


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1 posted on 02/16/2010 8:10:39 AM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: mkjessup; stephenjohnbanker; bamahead; Bokababe; Captain Kirk
Real “toughness” might include not just using the same old Bush jargon, but a serious cost/benefit analysis of the U.S.’s habit of putting soldiers in harm’s way halfway around the globe for no discernible reason—while just mindlessly assuming our government has America’s best interests at heart.

Above all, real conservative “toughness” might require a real questioning of government at all levels. Unfortunately, conservatives whose attachment to the warfare state remains every bit as passionate as liberals’ attachment to the welfare state, continue to prove they have no serious intention of dismantling big government–only making noise about it.

DUH!

2 posted on 02/16/2010 8:12:04 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385
Palin on Amnesty:

As governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they all should be deported?
There is no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant -there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants- not only economically is that just an impossibility but that's not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration.

Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?
No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. You know, people have got to follow the rules. They've got to follow the bar, and we have got to make sure that there is equal opportunity and those who are here legally should be first in line for services being provided and those opportunities that this great country provides.

To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?
I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

Palin is parsing words. She is trying to appear against amnesty while allowing illegal aliens to remain in this country. The existing rules per the Federal Immigration and Nationality act require illegals to be deported but Palin doesn't like thos rules so she wants to ignore them. Also, what of all the thousands of foreigners waiting to enter this country legally? They suddenly would get pushed to the back of the line with Palin's approach. She couldn't be more disingenuous.
3 posted on 02/16/2010 8:16:52 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: rabscuttle385

Sarah is NOT the ‘same old Republican Party’!!

She is what they SHOULD be.


4 posted on 02/16/2010 8:16:58 AM PST by J40000
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To: rabscuttle385

I see your true Paultard streak is coming out here, Rabs.


5 posted on 02/16/2010 8:17:19 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: rabscuttle385
Conservatives as thoughtful as columnist George Will and as bombastic as radio host Michael Savage have asked recently if American dollars and lives are worth spending in Afghanistan. But for Palin, still, there is no question.

Talk about Clinton-esque waffling. At least Palin is consistent, these guys jump from side to side on the issue depending on whatever is popular at the time. I guess you can say they were for it before they were against it? Where have we heard that before?

6 posted on 02/16/2010 8:19:02 AM PST by mnehring
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To: rabscuttle385

“...Today, defense spending remains the largest part of the federal budget, dwarfing the bailouts, stimulus, healthcare, and other government programs that offend tea partiers most, and President Obama is still expanding that budget and escalating our wars...”

The above statement is true only on a one to one program comparison but defense spending does not dwarf “social spending”. Defense spending is about 23 percent of the budget. Too high????...perhaps in dollars but not as a percentage if government spending was where it should be then defense spending would be at least fifty percent of the budget.


7 posted on 02/16/2010 8:22:12 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: dirtboy

The neo-hippie right. They like to say they are paleo-cons but real paleos would slap the hippie right out of them.


8 posted on 02/16/2010 8:22:54 AM PST by mnehring
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To: rabscuttle385
Today, defense spending remains the largest part of the federal budget, dwarfing the bailouts, stimulus, healthcare, and other government programs that offend tea partiers most

Simply not true. Annual defense spending is smaller than any of the others and the entitlement programs make up almost half of the federal budget and the number is increasing every year as the baby boomers retire. The entitlement programs represent an unfunded liability of almost $60 trillion.

9 posted on 02/16/2010 8:28:23 AM PST by kabar
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To: rabscuttle385

Talk about going off the deep end. You sound like a Pat Pukecannon isolationist. Why don’t you go post this crapola over at HuffPo where it belongs.


10 posted on 02/16/2010 8:32:20 AM PST by rsflynn (Life is hard....twice as hard if you are stupid -- John Wayne)
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To: mnehring

Somehow, I don’t think Rabs is going to get much traction by posting Buchanite antiwar idiocy to try and bash Palin. Maybe he should try this over at one of the Paultard forums, they’ll lap it up over there.


11 posted on 02/16/2010 8:33:08 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: rabscuttle385
Palin's comment here (predictably misinterpreted to make her seem simple-minded) has little to do with a commitment to continuing to wage wars and everything to do with treating Acts of War as what they are, and not mere "criminal activity."

It was treating Acts of War against the U.S. (by the Clinton administration) that led the global Jihadi's to believe that America had become a toothless "paper tiger," which led directly to the dreadful assault on 9/11. It was our decision after that (by the Bush administration) to treat these as Acts of War that kept us safe for the next 7 years.

Now the O'Blamebush admin is returning to the disastrous pre-9/11 Clinton mindset that will again invite horrors upon our shores, and it is THIS that Palin rightly comments on--not "war-mongering!"

Imbeciles who can't (or won't) correctly hear her when she speaks is what lends any credibility at all to the fabricated myth of Palin's ignorance.

;-/

12 posted on 02/16/2010 8:33:11 AM PST by Gargantua (DON'T TREAD ON US.)
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To: dirtboy

I don’t think many take him seriously any more. Kind of like the old guy that seems to be in the corner of every coffee shop talking to himself who seems to know all the answers to everything in the world.


13 posted on 02/16/2010 8:34:34 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Man50D
Palin is parsing words. She is trying to appear against amnesty while allowing illegal aliens to remain in this country. The existing rules per the Federal Immigration and Nationality act require illegals to be deported but Palin doesn't like thos rules so she wants to ignore them. Also, what of all the thousands of foreigners waiting to enter this country legally? They suddenly would get pushed to the back of the line with Palin's approach. She couldn't be more disingenuous.

So, you would contend that it is possible and practical to expel 100% of the illegal aliens currently in the country. You would also seem to indicate that there are not illegal aliens currently in the country who for one reason or another would be more desireable as a permanent resident than the next person in line.

Apparently there are only two choices, kick everyone out or let everyone stay and if you are kicking them out, if even one gets to stay, that amounts to amnesty.

14 posted on 02/16/2010 8:39:00 AM PST by CMAC51
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To: rabscuttle385

I see the “palaeos” have discovered another “fat Zionist.”


16 posted on 02/16/2010 8:41:25 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Venatatta 'el-ha'aron 'et ha`edut 'asher 'etten 'eleykha.)
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To: CMAC51; Man50D
So, you would contend that it is possible and practical to expel 100% of the illegal aliens currently in the country.

Is not deportation the penalty under the law for violating valid U.S. immigration law?

Are you advocating non-enforcement of valid U.S. law?

17 posted on 02/16/2010 8:43:24 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: dirtboy

“I see your true Paultard streak is coming out here, Rabs.”

Yes, pay no attention to the actual words of Palin and instead let’s attack the messengers.

What exactly about Rabs post was a lie? If Palin wants to come out against ANY kind of amnesty than she has every opportunity to do so with all her speeches, interviews and Fox News gig. But she doesn’t. She waffles, obfuscates, misdirects and in effect refuses to answer the question she’s asked.

When Palin is forced to answer, there is going to be another huge let down among her middlin’ supporters but her die hards will just spin it as a “brilliant manuever” as they did with the McCain endorsement.

There is no middle ground on Palin here at FR anymore, you’re either with then or against them.

IMO a decidedly UNconservative position. For years people have complained about the GOP forcing candidates down throats and now the same people who complained are forcing Palin down ours.

Et tu Brute?


18 posted on 02/16/2010 8:44:00 AM PST by Bob J
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To: Bob J; dirtboy; Man50D; Captain Kirk
She waffles, obfuscates, misdirects and in effect refuses to answer the question she’s asked.

She is playing all sides. That's why she endorsed a libertarian/Constitutionalist (Rand Paul) and a statist RINO (McCain) while giving money to the RINO's lap dog (Graham).

Unfortunately, one can not try to walk two divergent paths simultaneously without falling down.

19 posted on 02/16/2010 8:46:51 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385

This Hunter guy needs to study up on the Federal Budget and military spending.


20 posted on 02/16/2010 8:47:46 AM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: Bob J

Bob, you truly have lost it, you are now siding with antiwar nutbars in your efforts to attack Palin.


21 posted on 02/16/2010 8:48:58 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Bob J

Glad to see you’ve joined the anti-war paultards.


22 posted on 02/16/2010 8:50:04 AM PST by mnehring
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To: rabscuttle385
She is playing all sides.

LOL, that coming from people who were for the war before they were against it? Palin has been consistent on this issue.

23 posted on 02/16/2010 8:50:41 AM PST by mnehring
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To: CMAC51
So, you would contend that it is possible and practical to expel 100% of the illegal aliens currently in the country.

Oklahoma passed strict immigration laws a few years ago and many illegals left the state voluntarily knowing their fate if they remained. The federal government will not have to physically remove millions of illegals as they to will leave the country of their own accord if the federal government strictly enforced federal laws.

You would also seem to indicate that there are not illegal aliens currently in the country who for one reason or another would be more desireable as a permanent resident than the next person in line.

I'm doing more than indicate. I'm outright stating failing to strictly enforce current immigration laws sends the signal the U.S. will condone violation of the law. Anyone who enters the country illegally has no respect for the rule of law and will therefore violate other laws as they do immigration laws if they are allowed to remain.

Apparently there are only two choices, kick everyone out or let everyone stay and if you are kicking them out, if even one gets to stay, that amounts to amnesty.

Obviously you don't understand the basic principle of enforcing the freaking law! Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
24 posted on 02/16/2010 8:50:50 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Bob J

Oh, and Bob, you moron, amnesty was not the subject of the original post, the defense budget and the WOT is. Show me where on this thread I have commented on the amnesty change of subject that was introduced.


25 posted on 02/16/2010 8:51:17 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

I see. If I’m a fiscally conscious conservative who is concerned about the effects of defense spending on taxes and budget deficits, I’m an “antiwar nutbar”.

And if I have questions about Palin’s readiness for the oval office I’m a mysoginist and I hate woman.

And if I’m concerned that Palin’s popularity has more to do with religion/evangelisism than politics I’m a Christian basher.

And if I take up any position at odds with the owner of the website I’m a lib troll and anti-FReeper.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous and hysterical you sound?


26 posted on 02/16/2010 8:58:11 AM PST by Bob J
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To: Bob J
I see. If I’m a fiscally conscious conservative who is concerned about the effects of defense spending on taxes and budget deficits, I’m an “antiwar nutbar”.

Bob, national defense is something the fedgov is SUPPOSED to be doing.

But there is just one word that describes you to a 'T' lately - a@@hole.

27 posted on 02/16/2010 8:59:43 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

“Oh, and Bob, you moron, amnesty was not the subject of the original post, the defense budget and the WOT is. Show me where on this thread I have commented on the amnesty change of subject that was introduced.”

Fair enough. Would you like to comment on post #3 or just ignore it like all the Palinistas do?

Where do you stand on Palin’s position that some form of amnesty will be needed to address the immigation prblem?


28 posted on 02/16/2010 9:02:27 AM PST by Bob J
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To: rabscuttle385

Simple Pentagon good, Department of whateverelse bad.


29 posted on 02/16/2010 9:05:38 AM PST by junta (S.C.U.M. = State Controlled Unreliable Media)
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To: Bob J

I will wait and see what Palin says when she is not part of the McCain presidential campaign. Do you really think she was going to stray far from McCain’s viewpoints on immigration while being interviewed as his VP candidate during the 2008 campaign?


30 posted on 02/16/2010 9:05:47 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: rabscuttle385
Read my tagline.
31 posted on 02/16/2010 9:08:06 AM PST by McGruff (Don't criticize. Explain to me who I should support other than Sarah Palin.)
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To: dirtboy

“Bob, national defense is something the fedgov is SUPPOSED to be doing.”

Uhh, okay. What’s your point?


32 posted on 02/16/2010 9:08:29 AM PST by Bob J
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To: Bob J

That whining about fiscal conservativism when it comes to national defense - something that the fedgov is SUPPOSED to be doing - is as stupid as any one of your other recent posts.


33 posted on 02/16/2010 9:09:43 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: rabscuttle385
One tea party event was enough to make me give up on them. The first half of the show was pretty good - one speaker after another trashing gov't spending & taxes.

The second half sucked - one speaker after another praising GW Bush (best president mexico ever had!), his limitless spending and his endless wars.

As far as Palin goes, I didn't like some of the things she was saying during the campaign... she seemed weak on immigration and very pro-war, but I was willing to cut her some slack because I figured she was just parroting McCain's positions. I don't even hold it against her for endorsing McCain - you dance with the one who brought you. He put her on the national stage and she's grateful to him for doing so.

Unfortunately, it's starting to look like she shares the same foreign policy outlook as GWB, McCain and obama - the idiotic neocon BS belief that the US has the right to intervene in the affairs of any nation (as long as it's weak and seemingly defenseless), anywhere, any time and for any reason.

Lest we all forget, she was one half of the GOP presidential ticket that was advocating military confrontation with nuclear-armed Russia over an event taking place on their border, of no strategic interest to the US, and on the wrong damn side too!

34 posted on 02/16/2010 9:18:11 AM PST by LIBERTARIAN JOE (Don't blame me - I voted for Ron Paul!)
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To: dirtboy

“I will wait and see what Palin says when she is not part of the McCain presidential campaign.”

Well, we’ve all been waiting for over a year. Do you think she hasn’t had the opportunity or venue to do so, you know, with that busy speech and Fox commentator schedule?


35 posted on 02/16/2010 9:20:07 AM PST by Bob J
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To: Bob J
So I am supposed to form an opinion on something she hasn't said, Bob?

Jeez, you're turning into a bigger moron with each passing day.

36 posted on 02/16/2010 9:22:31 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

“That whining about fiscal conservativism when it comes to national defense...”

You know, I’m just going to let that on sit out there and ferment for a while.


37 posted on 02/16/2010 9:24:00 AM PST by Bob J
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To: rabscuttle385

>Are you advocating non-enforcement of valid U.S. law?

That would be horrible!
Therefore I suggest that you turn yourelf in immediately. I guarantee you have missed a stoplight (if even by a hair), or nudged an IRS bill (if even by a couple bucks) or missed some obscure city ordinance. Therefore, since all laws are of equal value, off to the hoosegow with you!
Yes, we must immediately imprison 11 million illegals in camps, then drive them on a Bataan march across the Rio.


38 posted on 02/16/2010 9:25:09 AM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: Bob J
You know, I’m just going to let that on sit out there and ferment for a while.

Yeah, and maybe you could contemplate how much you are channeling the libs who opposed the cost of Reagan's defense buildup in the 1980s, you moron.

39 posted on 02/16/2010 9:25:42 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Bob J
Bob J = FR’s version of Kathleen Parker
40 posted on 02/16/2010 9:25:50 AM PST by bwc2221
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To: Man50D
Oklahoma passed strict immigration laws a few years ago and many illegals left the state voluntarily knowing their fate if they remained.

The federal government will not have to physically remove millions of illegals as they to will leave the country of their own accord if the federal government strictly enforced federal laws.

Many left, and many went to other states.

If all states (and the feds) enforced current laws we would see a massive change in the amount of illegal insurgent criminal invading aliens here.

41 posted on 02/16/2010 9:26:53 AM PST by Syncro (TPXIII coming soon! March 27th to April 15th 2010)
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To: FastCoyote; AuntB; TigersEye; cripplecreek; mkjessup; stephenjohnbanker
Yes, we must immediately imprison 11 million illegals in camps, then drive them on a Bataan march across the Rio.

It's one thing to screw up and miss one of the many laws in our overly litigious society, a natural byproduct of Big Government and its attempt to micro-manage everything.

It's another thing to advocate that the U.S. government simply give up on enforcing valid law en masse.

Trying to stretch my position to the extreme in an attempt to make me appear as a kook...now that's sad, but not totally unexpected from the Squatter Support Squad.

42 posted on 02/16/2010 9:28:42 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Bob J

No. You’re just a plain old garden variety RINO.


43 posted on 02/16/2010 9:29:55 AM PST by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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To: rabscuttle385
Yes, we must immediately imprison 11 million illegals in camps, then drive them on a Bataan march across the Rio.

I didn't even know Chris Matthews was a FReeper.
44 posted on 02/16/2010 9:30:22 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: rabscuttle385

“Yes, we must immediately imprison 11 million illegals in camps, then drive them on a Bataan march across the Rio.”

Why not?
They marched their asses over here, they can march back.
It was good enough for my ancestors (and they didn’t break in illegally!), it’s good enough for them. Except with the squatter law breakers, we send them on planes with food!
Where is Andrew Jackson when we need him!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2401786/posts?page=12#12


45 posted on 02/16/2010 9:39:41 AM PST by AuntB (WE are NOT a nation of immigrants! http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/)
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To: kabar; Monterrosa-24
The defense spending stat is an accounting trick. ABout 2/3 of the budget is "non-discretionary" which is where the social programs live. It depends on how many people sign up for Social Security, Welfare, Food stamps, etc....

So Defense is just over half of the 1/3 that is considered "discretionary". They also lump in money needed to maintain our embassys around the world as defense.

46 posted on 02/16/2010 9:50:22 AM PST by byteback
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To: Man50D

There is nothing disingenuous about making a distinction between an amnesty that puts people who entered the country illegal onto a track toward citizenship, thereby rewarding their contempt for law, and an amnesty that regularizes their status by ‘grandfathering’ them into a guest-worker program as part of a reform of immigration policy that simultaneously secures the borders and addresses the reliance of some industries on economic migrants.

I have long been absolutely opposed to the former, which is what everyone from G.W. Bush left seem to mean (in Orwellian fashion) by “comprehensive immigration reform” and supportive of the latter, which is what the phrase should mean. It sounds to me like Palin is spot on on the issue.


47 posted on 02/16/2010 10:56:15 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Bob J
Well, we’ve all been waiting for over a year. Do you think she hasn’t had the opportunity or venue to do so, you know, with that busy speech and Fox commentator schedule?

She did make anti amnesty comments back in Nov. and Dec. I'm surprised you don't know about them being how " so objective about Palin" you seem to be.

48 posted on 02/16/2010 11:03:38 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Bob J
I see. If I’m a fiscally conscious conservative who is concerned about the effects of defense spending on taxes and budget deficits, I’m an “antiwar nutbar”.

Obama and the Democrat Congress are decimating our defense companies all the while we fight two wars against Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan and what was Al Qaeda in Iraq.

As an up close and personal observation, I can tell you our best engineers are leaving (or being laid off from) our defense companies.

Yet you're "so concerned" about defense spending. Very sad, really.

49 posted on 02/16/2010 11:10:07 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Man50D
Anyone who enters the country illegally has no respect for the rule of law and will therefore violate other laws as they do immigration laws if they are allowed to remain.

Ergo, anyone who exceeds the speed limit while driving has no respect for the law and will violate other laws as they do the traffic laws.

I am in fact a strong proponent of increased enforcement of the immigration laws. I am also smart enough to know that the laws were not written with any intent to enforce them, so collectively they are not enforceable. A single minded devotion to enforcing the existing laws will result in a massive waste of resources and only limited progress in creating immigration control.

It is, however, posssible to modify the laws to identify qualified individual who would be a benefit to the country, value the opportunity presented to them and are willing to make an enforceable commitment to be law abiding, tax paying, English speaking residents of the United States. Isn't that really the end goal?

50 posted on 02/16/2010 11:15:09 AM PST by CMAC51
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