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"TO KEEP OUR HONOR CLEAN!" Why We Must Oppose the Homosexual Agenda for the Military
Tradition Family and Property ^ | Monday, 15 February 2010 | Written by The American TFP

Posted on 02/17/2010 7:35:13 AM PST by GonzoII

"TO KEEP OUR HONOR CLEAN!" Why We Must Oppose the Homosexual Agenda for the Military Print

Written by The American TFP   

Monday, 15 February 2010 20:29

“To Keep Our Honor Clean!”

Why We Must Oppose the Homosexual Agenda for the Military
As America faces a two-front war and economic fragility, another peril looms on the horizon that threatens the honor and integrity of one of our nation’s most important institutions: our Armed Forces.
President Obama promised in his January 27, 2010 State of the Union Address that he would work with Congress and the military to overthrow the current law that excludes homosexuals from the military.[1]
A Moral Revolution
This move cannot be considered in a vacuum. To understand fully its significance, it must be seen in light of a decades-old homosexual movement that strives to uproot the very foundations of our morality. Thus, homosexual activist Paul Varnell, writing in the Chicago Free Press, affirmed: “The gay movement is not a civil rights movement but a moral revolution aimed at changing people's view of homosexuality.”[2]
Indeed, the significance of overthrowing the military’s prohibition on homosexuality is well understood by the movement’s leaders. Thus, Thomas Stoddard, former executive director of Lambda Legal, admitted: “This is not a fight about the military. This is a fight of every lesbian and gay American for their place in society.”[3]
Similarly, the nation’s largest homosexual rights group, Human Rights Campaign, plans to spend over $2 million on a national lobbying campaign to influence lawmakers whose votes will be needed to overthrow current law.[4] 
Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Peter Pace addresses the audience during National POW/MIA Recognition at the Pentagon.
DoD photo by Helene C. Stikkel.
These activists understand how our military is a powerful symbol in the minds of Americans. William Kristol was correct when he called it the “one major American institution [that] retains citizens’ faith.”[5] Thus, were homosexuals allowed to serve, it would resound throughout all our nation’s institutions.
That is one of the many reasons why our military must be defended from ideologues who would sacrifice its effectiveness and honor on the altar of unrestrained license, even at a time when national and global security rests on its successful campaign against terrorism.
Exacerbating this danger, many pundits cloud the issue by parroting the homosexual movement’s sophistry. Thus, it is worthwhile to take a closer look at some of the main arguments used to support repeal of the ban.
Do Homosexuals Have a Right to Serve?
One sophism claims that homosexuals have a right to serve in our Armed Forces. Proponents of this notion often label the current law discriminatory. They compare lifting of the ban to President Truman’s 1948 executive order that desegregated our nation’s military.
However, such claims are baseless. First, there is no constitutional “right” to serve in the Armed Forces, nor could there be such a right. Because of its fighting purpose, the military is necessarily a discriminating organization that revokes membership on the basis of age, height, physical infirmity and many other causes. Obviously, these forms of discrimination would not be accepted in civilian society. Similarly, violations of morality such as lying and adultery can result in court martial.
The Catholic Medical Association Refutes the Myth that Homosexuality is Genetic
“A number of researchers have sought to find a biological cause for same-sexual attraction. The media have promoted the idea that a “gay gene” has already been discovered… but, in spite of several attempts, none of the much-publicized studies… has been scientifically replicated. A number of authors have carefully reviewed these studies and have found that not only do the studies not prove the genetic basis for same-sex attraction; the reports do not even contain such claims…
“If same-sex attraction were genetically determined, then one would expect identical twins to be identical in the sexual attractions. There are, however, numerous reports of identical twins who are not identical in their sexual attractions.”
Source: Homosexuality and Hope (Catholic Medical Association, 2000) p. 2. See also Gerard J. M. van den Aardweg, The Battle for Normality (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1997) p. 25.
Additionally, there is no comparison to be made between President Truman’s desegregation of the military and lifting the ban on homosexuals in our Armed Forces. Homosexual behavior is a moral, not a racial issue. It is a personal choice of lifestyle.
Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Colin Powell affirmed this,[6] stating: “Skin color is a benign non-behavioral characteristic. Sexual orientation is perhaps the most profound of human behavioral characteristics. Comparison of the two is a convenient but invalid argument.”[7]
Indeed, current law is not based on who homosexuals claim to be, but on what they do.
Would the Presence of Open Homosexuals Harm Unit Cohesion?
Another argument claims that the presence of open homosexuals would not harm unit cohesion. Those making this claim state that unit cohesion was unaffected in England, Canada and elsewhere when these nations allowed homosexuals to serve.
First of all, it must be noted that these countries are not the United States. Neither Canada nor England has the military commitments or capabilities we do[8] and both have a markedly more liberal view of homosexuality. Indeed, many members of Britain’s Conservative Party, including their leader David Cameron, approve of homosexual adoption and same-sex unions.[9]
In America, things are different, even more so on our bases. As Colonel David Bedey wrote: “It is an undeniable fact…that military communities are bastions of traditional values.”[10]
This is important to consider because shared values are necessary to unit cohesion. According to Commander of the Army Research Institute William Darryl Henderson: “Common attitudes, values and beliefs among members of a unit promote cohesion…some observers contend that similarities of attitudes contribute to group cohesion more than any other single factor.”[11]
Vietnam War hero Colonel John Ripley testified before the House Armed Services Committee that allowing homosexuals to serve would also break down unit trust.
Allowing homosexuals to serve would also break down unit trust, a necessary foundation for cohesion. Vietnam War hero Colonel John Ripley explained this in testimony delivered on May 4, 1993 before the House Armed Services Committee, saying: “No one can trust a leader nor can a leader trust a subordinate if he thinks there are sexual feelings just underneath the surface. It makes no difference if the individual is suppressing those feelings. It makes trust virtually impossible.”[12]
Common sense reinforces what Colonel Ripley affirmed. As current law points out, military society is necessarily “characterized by forced intimacy with little or no privacy.”[13] In turn, this leads to high levels of stress. The effect of adding sexual tension to the mix need only be imagined.
Perhaps that is one reason why America’s two most prominent veterans groups, the Veterans of Foreign Wars and American Legion, whose combined membership exceeds 4 million, have both come out against repeal of the ban.[14]
Also, during wartime, men are in continual contact with each other’s blood. Therefore, the well documented increased disease rates of homosexuals would cause them to be perceived as a risk rather than an asset to unit survival.
This increased disease rate should not be underestimated. As Colonel Ronald Ray pointed out: “Despite the fact that they account for less than 2 percent of the total American population, a compilation of recent health studies shows that homosexuals account for 80 percent of America’s most serious sexually transmitted diseases.”[15]
This increased disease rate has led some to refer to the homosexual lifestyle as a “deathstyle.” Inclusion of this deathstyle in our Armed Forces is a dangerous proposition, indeed.
With these factors in mind, it is simply impossible to suggest that openly serving homosexuals would not damage unit cohesion. Current law and many officers corroborate this affirmation.
General H. Norman Schwarzkopf
Among them is General Norman Schwarzkopf, who affirmed: “…in my years of military service, I’ve experienced the fact that the introduction of an open homosexual into a small unit immediately polarizes that unit and destroys the very bonding that is so important for the unit's survival in time of war.”[16]
Last, the current law, which was passed with a veto-proof majority in both houses of a Democrat-led Congress, states: “The armed forces must maintain personnel policies that exclude persons whose presence…would create an unacceptable risk to the armed forces' high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability.”[17]
At a Time of War, Can We Afford to Lose Capable Servicemen?
Opponents of current law also claim that we cannot afford to expel any trained personnel during our present military engagements. In this line, the media often claim that over 300 language experts, including over 50 fluent Arabic speakers, have been discharged from the military under the current law.
These claims are based on exaggerated and misrepresented information. In her July 23, 2008 testimony before the House Armed Services Committee, Elaine Donnelly, president and founder of the Center for Military Readiness, noted that 9,501 homosexuals were discharged from our military in the 11 years between 1993-2004, a yearly average of 864.[18] While this may seem like a lot, it is relatively few compared with the number of servicemen who were dismissed for other reasons.
For example: 36,513 enlisted personnel were removed during the same time period for having gained too much weight, 26,446 were removed for becoming pregnant and an additional 20,527 for parenthood, while nearly 60,000 were removed for drug use.[19] If we were to stop removing homosexuals from our Armed Forces, how could we continue to dismiss those whose only offense is having too hearty an appetite? Furthermore, if we concede to lower standards for the sake of quantity, where will we next draw the line?
Also, claims that 300 language “experts,” and over 50 “fluent” Arabic speakers have been discharged from our military because of their homosexuality is based on a 2005 Government Accountability Office (GAO) study. However, the GAO document clearly states: “Relatively few of these separated servicemembers had proficiency scores in listening to, reading, or speaking…that were above the midpoint on DOD’s language proficiency scales.”
Among the 54 “fluent” Arabic speakers, only 20 had recorded scores, of which none scored above midpoint for speaking proficiency. Furthermore, 59% of these discharged language “experts” had served for two and a half years or less.[20]
Furthermore, we must consider the loss of manpower that would result from lifting the ban. There is convincing evidence to show that these losses would greatly outweigh the number of homosexuals removed under current law.
A 2008 survey done by the Military Times showed that nearly 10% of respondents claimed they would “not re-enlist or extend” their service if the homosexual prohibition were lifted, while an additional 14% reported that they would “consider not re-enlisting or extending” their military careers.[21]
According to a 2008 Military Times survey, nearly 10% claimed they would "not re-enlist or extend" their service if the homosexual prohibition were lifted. An additional 14% reported they would "consider not re-enlisting or extending" their military careers.
As Mrs. Donnelly pointed out, if we assume that these numbers represent the views of all active and reserve forces, repeal of the ban could result in a loss of between 228,600–527,000 servicemen (depending on the final decision of those considering termination of their careers). These numbers are astounding considering that there are currently around 200,000 active duty Marines.[22]
Similarly, a 2006 Zogby poll showed that 10% of those who had served in the last 14 years would probably not have even enlisted had there been open homosexuals serving. An additional 13% were undecided.[23]
Therefore, if we are concerned about diminishing our ranks at this critical moment, we must maintain, not lift, the ban on homosexuals in the military.
Over 1,100 Flag and General Officers Support the Ban
In addition to all the practical arguments we make in favor of current law, there is a voice of experience that speaks more loudly than ours. It is that of our military leadership whose years of service at the highest levels of command have given them the wisdom to understand the issue and all of its implications.
That is why Congress should heed a statement signed by 1,152 retired flag and general officers, strongly urging them and President Obama to uphold the ban on homosexuals in our military.[24] Their statement is as urgent as it is unequivocal and includes the following passage:
Our past experience as military leaders leads us to be greatly concerned about the impact of repeal [of the ban] in morale, discipline, unit cohesion, and overall military readiness. We believe that imposing this burden…would undermine recruiting and retention, impact leadership at all echelons… and eventually break the All-Volunteer Force…As a matter of national security, we urge you to support the 1993 law regarding homosexuals in the military (Section 654, Title 10), and to oppose any legislative, judicial, or administrative effort to repeal or invalidate the law.[25]
The signatories of this message include 51 four-star officers, our nation’s highest peacetime rank.
And to Keep Our Honor Clean…
These practical arguments are helpful, but they do not constitute the most important component of the issue. The core of the matter touches on a higher reality in which the very identity of the American soldier is at stake.
To be successful, a military must incorporate two seemingly incompatible values. On one hand, it must enforce the highest moral principles of discipline, valor and uprightness and simultaneously inculcate the desire to destroy the adversary.
Indeed, the very existence of the military proclaims that evil exists and, at times, must be confronted. It represents the strength of truth and uprightness and is a symbol of that species of good that fearlessly defies wickedness.
Thus, a successful military must operate in an atmosphere in which good and evil are clearly defined and relativism has no place.
The military also personifies self-sacrifice. As the great Catholic thinker, Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira, wrote, the military profession proclaims “the existence of values worth more than life itself and for which one must be willing to die.”[26]
The Medal of Honor is the nation's highest military award, given only to those who go beyond the call of duty at the risk of their own lives.
It is these values of uprightness, self-sacrifice and strength that project the military into a superior order of things. In a word, they confer an honor upon it, which is so identified with the archetype of the American soldier that our nation’s highest military decoration is called the Medal of Honor.
However, homosexual vice represents the opposite of this military honor. It violates natural law, epitomizes the unleashing of man’s unruly passions, undermines self-discipline and has been defined as “intrinsically evil” by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church on numerous occasions.[27]
That is why, in order to advance, the homosexual movement must blur the distinctions between virtue and vice; truth and error; good and evil. If this vice is imposed on our Armed Forces, it will necessarily bring this relativistic spirit with it.
In turn, this mentality would undermine the direct and straightforward mindset, so necessary to the military.[28] It would sully the honor of all who serve and weaken society’s notion of the incompatibility between good and evil, so well represented by our Armed Forces.
In this light, we understand why homosexual ideologues doggedly insist on effecting this transformation within our military. However, it also gives us powerful motives to resist their plans. We must urge Congress to block any efforts to overthrow current law and insist on the ban’s continued strict enforcement.
Colonel Ripley well understood the dangers of abandoning our current law in this respect. That is why he finished his 1993 testimony to the House Armed Services Committee beseeching Congress to maintain the ban on homosexuals serving in the military in the following moving words: “I implore you, as an American and as a Marine who has fought for his country and loves his Corps and country more than life itself, not to lead us into this ambush from which we can never recover.”[29]
On his behalf, we should derive encouragement from the words of the Marines’ Hymn that apply to all the branches of our military as they confront this perilous issue:
“We fight our country’s battles
In the air, on land and sea;
First to fight for right and freedom
And to keep our honor clean…”

The American Society for the Defense
 of Tradition, Family and Property
February 11, 2010
Feast of Our Lady of Lourdes


Taking a Principled not a Personal Stand
In writing this statement, we have no intention to defame or disparage anyone. We are not moved by personal hatred against any individual. In intellectually opposing individuals or organizations promoting the homosexual agenda, our only intent is the defense of our hallowed Armed Forces, the family, and the precious remnants of Christian civilization.
As practicing Catholics, we are filled with compassion and pray for those who struggle against unrelenting and violent temptation to homosexual sin. We pray for those who fall into homosexual sin out of human weakness, that God may assist them with His grace.
We are conscious of the enormous difference between these individuals who struggle with their weakness and strive to overcome it and others who transform their sin into a reason for pride and try to impose their lifestyle on society as a whole, in flagrant opposition to traditional Christian morality and natural law. However, we pray for these too.
We pray also for the judges, legislators and government officials who in one way or another take steps that favor homosexuality. We do not judge their intentions, interior dispositions, or personal motivations.
We reject any violence. We simply exercise our liberty as children of God (Rom. 8:21) and our constitutional rights to free speech and the candid, unapologetic and unashamed public display of our Catholic faith. We oppose arguments with arguments. To the arguments in favor of homosexuality and same-sex “marriage” we respond with arguments based on right reason, natural law and Divine Revelation. 
*          *         *
The indiscriminate use of the word homosexual and its synonyms has generated much confusion in the public. Many times, it is unclear if it refers to someone with same-sex attraction only or if it refers to someone who practices homosexual acts. This confusion favors the homosexual agenda. We cannot equate people with same-sex attraction who resist it and are chaste with those who engage in homosexual behavior. These are two distinct and essentially different moral realities.
Thus, we use homosexual to refer only to those who practice homosexual acts and thereby deserve moral reprobation.

[1] Although this law, US Code Title 10, Subtitle G, Section 645, is commonly misnamed “Don’t ask, don’t tell,” in fact, it prohibits all homosexuals from serving in the military. “Don’t ask, don’t tell,” is merely a Clinton-era policy that was never codified into law. This policy was deemed illegal in a 1996 ruling of the Fourth Circuit of Appeals. Cf.
[2] Paul Varnell, “Defending Our Morality,” Chicago Free Press, Aug. 16, 2000, To understand how homosexual acts are against nature, it is sufficient to consider the psychological and physical complementarity between opposite sexes.
[3] Jeffrey Schmalz, “Gay Groups Regrouping For War on Military Ban,” The New York Times, Feb. 7, 1993,
[4] Craig Whitlock and Ed O’Keefe, “On Issue of Gays in Military, Pentagon Will Make Recommendations to Congress,” The Washington Post, Jan. 29, 2010,
[5] William Kristol, The Weekly Standard, Vol. 15, No. 20, Feb. 8, 2010,
[6] General Powell’s unfortunate change of position with regard to homosexuals in the military was due to what he called a change in public attitudes toward homosexuality, not the issue of discrimination. Cf. Karen DeYoung, “Colin Powell Now Says Gays Should Be Able to Serve Openly in Military,” The Washington Post, Feb. 4, 2010,
[7] Mackubin Thomas Owens, “The Case Against Gays in the Military,” The Wall Street Journal, Feb. 2, 2010,
[8] As James Lindsay, Jerome Johnson, E.G. “Buck” Shuler Jr. and Joseph J. Went pointed out: “America’s armed forces are models for our allies’ militaries and the envy of our adversaries – not the other way around.” ”Gays and the Military: A Bad Fit,” The Washington Post, Apr. 15, 2009,
[9] Cf. Joanna Bogle, “Conservative Britain? I Don’t Think So,” MercatorNet, Jan. 28, 2010,
. Also: Hilary White, “U.K.’s Conservative Leader Pledges Full Support for Gay Agenda,”, Feb. 8, 2010,
[10] Colonel David F. Bedey, US Army, Ret., “Exclusive: Repeal of ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’: A Clear and Present Danger,” Family Security Matters, Jan. 27, 2010,
[11] William Darryl Henderson, Cohesion The Human Element in Combat (Washington, DC: National Defense University Press, 1985) p. 75.
[12] Norman Fulkerson, An American Knight (Spring Grove, Penn.: The American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property, 2009) p. 124 and Appendix II.
[13] US Code Title 10, Subtitle G, Section 645: Policy Concerning Homosexuality in the Armed Forces,
[14] “Veteran Groups Resist 'Don't Ask' Repeal,” The Washington Times, Feb. 4, 2010,
[15] Colonel Ronald D. Ray, USMCR, Gays: In or out? (Washington: Brassey’s (US), 1993) p. 46. Although this study dates back to 1993, its findings are substantiated by current FDA policy that will not accept homosexual men as blood donors. The policy is defended on the FDA’s website, at:
[16] Melissa Healy, “Schwarzkopf: 'A 2nd-Class Force' If Gay Ban Ends,” The Los Angeles Times, Mar. 12, 1993,
[17] US Code Title 10, Subtitle G, Section 645. “Policy Concerning Homosexuality in the Armed Forces.” (Our emphasis.)
[18] Mrs. Donnelly’s statistics were compiled in a chart she used during her testimony. Chart available online at:
[19] Ibid.
[20] United States Government Accountability Office,pp. 16 – 21,
[21] The Military Times ran another survey on homosexuality in the military in 2009, but it did not include a question about how servicemen would react to a repeal of the ban. Cf.
[22] Elaine, Donnelly, “Poll on Gays in the Military Perturbs Palm Center,”, Jan. 14, 2009,
[23] Elaine Donnelly, “PM Polemic for Gays in the Military,” Human Events, Jan. 15, 2008,
[25] The statement’s full text is available at: A list of all the signatories is available at:
[26] Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira, Revolution and Counter-Revolution (York, Penn.: The American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property, 2008) p. 70. Also available online at:
[28] Corrêa de Oliveira, Revolution and Counter-Revolution, p. 70.
[29] Colonel Ripley’s full testimony is available in Appendix II of An American Knight by Norman Fulkerson and online at:

Last Updated on Tuesday, 16 February 2010 22:58

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"At a Time of War, Can We Afford to Lose Capable Servicemen?"
1 posted on 02/17/2010 7:35:14 AM PST by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII

it is high time for more to speak out and stop being PC about homosexuals.

The majority do not want it in this country and even a higher majority do not want it in the military.

The GOP has no balls to bring this subject up like they will not bring up abortion and that disgusts me .

Letting open homosexuals serve brings nothing but problems, infact way too many problems.
Anyone who has served knows that their is no privacy in the marines unless you’re a officer.

The GOP should raise this question more andmroe and make this an election issue

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To: GonzoII

If Congress eliminates DADT, just watch the Military become demoralized. Those whose committment is finished will not re-up.So sad Col Ripley died in the fall of 2008. He was completely right when testifying about the trust issue. Wish he were here to do it again.

3 posted on 02/17/2010 7:39:47 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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About time someone spoke for our soldiers.

You know, to think that all this noise about the Fags in in Military has nothing else to do but POLITICAL FAVORS bankrupt Obama made to all these radical groups. That's all.

This should be the LEAST OF OUR WORRIES right now...

4 posted on 02/17/2010 7:45:29 AM PST by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church (...Actually I'm hearing MORE from RCC now! ....) ** DEAFENING **)
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To: ElPatriota

we need to speak up and as a vet I know many who are still serving and they do not want this either.

We’re fighting two wars and having the budget cut while ACORN gets 4 billion and this white house has time to try and overturn Dont ask

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To: GonzoII

We must stop this. The lives of our young men and women, as well as the very survival of our nation, depends on it.

6 posted on 02/17/2010 7:52:02 AM PST by EternalVigilance (TATBO - "Throw All The Bums Out")
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7 posted on 02/17/2010 7:57:21 AM PST by GonzoII (
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8 posted on 02/17/2010 8:04:15 AM PST by JDPendry
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To: GonzoII
Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Colin Powell affirmed this, stating: “Skin color is a benign non-behavioral characteristic. Sexual orientation is perhaps the most profound of human behavioral characteristics. Comparison of the two is a convenient but invalid argument.

I'd forgotten that Colin Powell was once a great American who said things that mattered. Too bad he threw it all away in October 2008 by supporting a man who wants to destroy everything he once stood for.

9 posted on 02/17/2010 8:06:35 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: GonzoII

Without God, all things are permissible.

Unless we fear our Creator, and acknowledge the legitimacy of his commands, we cannot justify keeping homosexuals out of the military. Our country’s tolerance of those who would prohibit all faith on the grounds of “separation of church and state” will be our end.

10 posted on 02/17/2010 8:07:50 AM PST by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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This is not a convincing argument for Congress. The threat to unit cohesion is.

11 posted on 02/17/2010 8:13:37 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: GonzoII

If the trust factor is lost, yes we can afford to loose them. The next thing that will happen is co-ed showers. Wouldn’t it be the same thing?

12 posted on 02/17/2010 8:15:13 AM PST by RC2
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To: wagglebee; P-Marlowe; scripter; little jeremiah; Jim Robinson

Absolutely awesome article and a must to be kept at hand in the debate to follow the next few months.

Especially note the reference to blood and unit cohesion section in the article.

MUST go to footnote #15 and the FDA data on blood contamination that is forced policy on the rest of the nation. Do they honestly think that our troops would be ignorant of this?

I saved my own copy of #15 and this article.

13 posted on 02/17/2010 8:27:15 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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One sophism claims that homosexuals have a right to serve in our Armed Forces. Proponents of this notion often label the current law discriminatory. They compare lifting of the ban to President Truman’s 1948 executive order that desegregated our nation’s military.

It should be noted that we never had a Black Army, Navy, Air Force or Marine Corps, we only had segregated UNITS that were once Proud examples of incredible accomplishments by Minority Members. The members of these units were the standards by which young men dreamt of following in their footsteps.

Apples and Oranges, there are no Mauve Marauders to stir the loins of young gay men into uniform.

14 posted on 02/17/2010 8:34:53 AM PST by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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15 posted on 02/17/2010 9:06:59 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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If Obama starts going to church he will damage his standing with his co-religionists. He can’t begin going to a Mosque, so he has somebody send him a religious tweet instead of attending services.

16 posted on 02/17/2010 9:14:32 AM PST by SkipW
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17 posted on 02/17/2010 9:28:57 AM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: GonzoII
Thanks for this, Gonzo. It's well-written, evidence-based and dispassionate, which are welcome qualities on any topic, but particularly this one.

I pray for loved ones who struggle with homosexual temptation. I wouldn't want to put them in a situation (whether the seminary or the military!) where they'd be surrounded by vital, attractive, sexually attractive young people, especially if there were a morally vacuous atmosphere (de jure or de facto, explicit or implied) of "go on ahead."

18 posted on 02/17/2010 10:17:39 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Lord help us all.)
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To: GonzoII
Whenever this subject comes up, I wonder why no one suggests that we form a unit like the Theban Band. I quess that would be even more un PC, and in the end impractical, but it's an interesting idea.
19 posted on 02/17/2010 12:23:47 PM PST by PUGACHEV
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To: wagglebee

There is no half measure. Once the military can be co-opted to the activists goals there will be no end to the damage they can do.

20 posted on 02/17/2010 12:38:09 PM PST by Maelstorm (We are umbilicaled to a parasitic beast that feeds off one man so to enslave another to dependency.)
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21 posted on 02/22/2010 8:13:13 PM PST by aruanan
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