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Antonin Scalia: No right to secede
The Washington Post ^ | 17 Feb 2010 | Robert Barnes

Posted on 02/17/2010 9:08:09 AM PST by Palter

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To: Palter

Kind of like...WHO ASKED YA?

If we come to a point where a state (or many) decide to secede, we could care less about your opinion.


101 posted on 02/17/2010 12:10:43 PM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Palter

“If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede.”

No wonder our court is a joke. Wars do not answer constitutional questions. They only answer “Might is Right”. The Civil War did not answer if a State could suceed, and, in fact, answered that it could.


102 posted on 02/17/2010 12:10:47 PM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Actually it was your comment that was irrelevant since the topic of the thread was the right to secede, not the right to rebel. But I doubt you read that far to begin with.

My comment was totally relevant.

You, being the constitutional giant that you are, were attempting to correct Scalia with only half of the answer. (The one that you subscribe to and have iterated ad infinitum.)

I simply pointed out that you had conveniently left out a rather important part of the majority opinion.

Of course, being the consummate troll, you countered with that imbecilic 'how'd that work out for ya' post.

Which is the reason why you don't begin to meet the requirements expected of a mod,

What requirements?

Being an unemployed bore with a PC, like you?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

103 posted on 02/17/2010 12:11:20 PM PST by cowboyway
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To: manc

Well, we’ve been talking about West Virginia history here. It’s kind of hard for me to say, “Yea...Why is your tax money going there!” When I drove home for ten years on I-68, the most beautiful road in America that connects absolutely nothing.

I guess it was important to open up that key Morgantown-Cumberland route for the Conestoga Wagons.


104 posted on 02/17/2010 12:11:22 PM PST by MrRobertPlant2009
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To: Palter

105 posted on 02/17/2010 12:13:23 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: CodeToad
ITA. Let's say a state does decide to secede. There are steps that will happen before any force is involved. And I don't think Americans will accept the federal government moving troops on its own citizens. Of course, that could also cause other states to join in.

Its a very precarious thing.

But if a state did decide, there really isn't much the federal government could do to stop it.

106 posted on 02/17/2010 12:13:26 PM PST by rintense (Only dead fish go with the flow, which explains why Congress stinks.)
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To: Abathar

The *the incredible sh*tstorm* is always more fun to watch.


107 posted on 02/17/2010 12:14:23 PM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Still Thinking

“The citizens of that state paid federal taxes during the years in which the feds were building stuff in their state. “

Not to mention, the federal government has no Constitutional authority to have made those construction projects in the first place.


108 posted on 02/17/2010 12:16:48 PM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: wolfcreek

:) I agree it would be, especially with someone who can’t be fired.


109 posted on 02/17/2010 12:18:05 PM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Non-Sequitur

“Yeah that revolution part really worked for you, didn’t it?

We left England under revolution, so I’d say your snide remarks are nothing but bullshit from a bullshit artist. The South failed in their attempt but your arrogance about it is just silly as you cannot possibly lay claim that no further attempt will succeed. Pussies like you aren’t going to stop any rebellion.


110 posted on 02/17/2010 12:19:52 PM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

The issue isn’t settled primarily because the federal government was formed by the free actions of the states and gets its authority from the people and the states, not the other way around.


111 posted on 02/17/2010 12:21:21 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Truth - Reality through the eyes of God.)
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To: CodeToad
We left England under revolution, so I’d say your snide remarks are nothing but bullshit from a bullshit artist.

It was a snide remark directed at a rabid Lost Cause revisionist fanatic. I can see why you would take offense as well.

The South failed in their attempt but your arrogance about it is just silly as you cannot possibly lay claim that no further attempt will succeed. Pussies like you aren’t going to stop any rebellion.

Well if the next rebellion is depending on the likes of you for its success then I'm certainly not going to be losing any sleep over it.

112 posted on 02/17/2010 12:23:01 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Palter; All
I don't care what some black robed idiot says. The constitution tells us we have the right to change governments if the one we are living under becomes too onerous to tolerate. Read it for yourself. That part of the constitution is what gives us the right to secede, regardless if there is no article that says specifically we can "secede".

The preamble says in effect that humans have the right to choose their government, that means if we find we are being enslaved we can throw off the shackles, if the throwing off is peaceful, that would be secession, if it is violent, that is revolution.

The war between the states is an example of a non-peaceful secession, even though the confederate states peacefully seceded the Union wouldn't allow it, therefore there was a bloddy conflict.

The Union cannot force the states to stay in the Union of the people don't want to unless they use force. It may work out slightly differently this time around.

BTW, even without a constitution, people have the God given right to choose their government, that includes Americans.

113 posted on 02/17/2010 12:24:00 PM PST by calex59
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To: calex59

Correct to post 113. bloddy conflict = bloody conflict.


114 posted on 02/17/2010 12:25:11 PM PST by calex59
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To: Abathar
I'd love to see Barry hit with the decision of what to do in the event of possible secession. (without TOTUS, of course)
115 posted on 02/17/2010 12:25:15 PM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: manc; lentulusgracchus; WKUHilltopper; Who is John Galt?; Bigun; Christian_Capitalist; wolfcreek; ..

Ping


116 posted on 02/17/2010 12:26:51 PM PST by Idabilly
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To: wardaddy
Exactly my take on the matter.


117 posted on 02/17/2010 12:26:58 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: CodeToad

I mentioned this on another thread a while ago. For reasons I can’t fully explain, I was watching old Firing Line clips on Youtube.

Anyway, there is a fascinating interview there between WFB and Huey P. Newton. Newton is high as a kite, but asks Buckley at what point, “What side would you have been on in 1776?”

Buckley states that he suspects he would have been on Washington’s side but is not sure since - generally speaking - revolutions always lead to violence, chaos, and a new government worse than the former government - regardless of which side wins.

It made me realize that the so-called conservatives who call for revolution are not really conservatives. They are, well, revolutionaries.

And that is ultimately what the civil war was - a revolution that failed. And - as Buckley would have predicted - it left chaos, death, and a worse government in its wake.


118 posted on 02/17/2010 12:27:52 PM PST by MrRobertPlant2009
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To: cowboyway
My comment was totally relevant.

As relevant as most of your crap, which is virtually nil. The thread is on secession. Justice Scalia says it is not Constitutional and that the Supreme Court ruled on it. I'm pointing out that the same decision identified one way to legally secede. The rebellion part is not relevant to that discussion. Your relevance to any discussion is usually problematic at best.

You, being the constitutional giant that you are, were attempting to correct Scalia with only half of the answer. (The one that you subscribe to and have iterated ad infinitum.)

There is only one Constitutional answer. Unless you can point to the clause in the Constitution allowing rebellion.

Of course, being the consummate troll, you countered with that imbecilic 'how'd that work out for ya' post.

Which was more than your imbecilic remark deserved.

Being an unemployed bore with a PC, like you?

Truth for one. Intelligence for another. Two qualities lacking in that remark, and all your other ones as well.

119 posted on 02/17/2010 12:29:07 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: calex59
Just as the colonies didn't have the "right" to leave Britain, maybe there is no "right" to secede.

But it doesn't matter.

If you decide to leave and have the power to back it up, the law doesn't mean a whole lot.

120 posted on 02/17/2010 12:29:17 PM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment (Is this field required?)
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