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To: Palter
Examples of US Secession

Here are some other interesting points of discussion

  1. Abraham Lincoln endorsed secession: "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable -- a most sacred right -- a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world." (1848)
  2. The Declaration of Independence clearly states that governments are institutions that can be defined as “deriving their power from the consent of the governed.”
  3. Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence also stated: Whenever "any Form of Government becomes destructive" of the inalienable rights granted by the Creator, "it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government."
  4. Alexander Stephens in his "A Constitutional View of the Late War Between the States," submitted, the central government, the common agent of the people of the states, is legitimate only so long as it exercises its delegated powers within the bounds established by the people through the Constitution.

50 posted on 02/17/2010 9:51:01 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence also stated: Whenever "any Form of Government becomes destructive" of the inalienable rights granted by the Creator, "it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government."

And yet the Constitution gives the government the power to suppress insurrections. If I'm leading an insurrection, what are the magic words that make it illegal for the government to oppose me?

53 posted on 02/17/2010 9:53:49 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: stainlessbanner
Abraham Lincoln endorsed secession: "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable -- a most sacred right -- a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world." (1848)

Geez, he talks the talk, but the walk, not so much, eh?

54 posted on 02/17/2010 9:54:54 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: stainlessbanner

thanks for the ping and that is some great info, shame it will be missed and ignored by some


72 posted on 02/17/2010 10:38:25 AM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: stainlessbanner

You might actually consider this quote too:

—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,


187 posted on 02/17/2010 3:24:52 PM PST by EBH (The warning bell of Freedom is ringing, can you not hear it?)
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