Skip to comments.Palin: "Tea Partiers have to pick a party."
Posted on 02/17/2010 2:28:20 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
In front of a crowd of Republican Party activists and the tea-party movements rank and file here on Tuesday night, former Alaska governor Sarah Palin seemed to put a damper on speculation that she might consider running for president in 2012 as a third-party candidate.
Asked what her advice would be to conservatives as the November elections approach, Palin first lavished praise on the Tea Party movement, calling it "a grand movement" and adding, "I love it because its all about the people."
But she quickly pivoted to the broader question of whether the Tea Party movement might successfully field its own candidates in national elections, and on that point she sounded far from convinced.
"Now the smart thing will be for independents who are such a part of this Tea Party movement to, I guess, kind of start picking a party," Palin said. "Which party reflects how that smaller, smarter government steps to be taken? Which party will best fit you? And then because the Tea Party movement is not a party, and we have a two-party system, theyre going to have to pick a party and run one or the other: R or D."
Palin said that the Republican platform best meshed with the Tea Partys creed. However, she mentioned that her husband Todd was not a registered Republican and that the party should be open to embracing independents.
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I really, really like how Ace at Ace of Spades HQ lays it out
"....And hit the link and check out the chart at bottom to see what happens when a hypothetical Tea Party runs against the Democrats and Republicans.
"Guess who wins?
"Not the Tea Party. And not the Republicans.
"And it's a blow-out, in fact.
"So if that's what people really want -- unchallenged liberal Democratic rule for a generation -- hey, have fun.
"I'm not interested in "sending messages" when those messages come with the other, all-caps message: BARACK OBAMA AND HIS MOST STALWART LIBERAL ALLIES WIN, IN BLOW-OUTS, FOR AN ENTIRE GENERATION."
Exactly. Read his whole analysis. Time to figure it out, people.
I disagree, the tea party movement is not about partys. its about holding our elected officials accountable. If they associate with the GOP then many independents will go back to the Dims.
Individual tea party members need to join the GOP and take it back from the leftys.
Vote for whatever candidate you want, just vote against anyone who belongs to the Communist Party regardless of “political” party he/she registers under.
nah...I think the best thing for the tea party would be to support small-party candates from either major party in their respective primaries. If it’s going to be a single issue party, then they need to infiltrate both major parties.
yep Tea partiers have to meld with the GOP to have any chance of winning anything
either that or go the way of Ross Perot
conservatives sent a ‘message’ in 2006 and 2008 and Pelosi and Obama are laughing their way to the bank
Progressives did it in the 60’s. they infiltrated the democrat party and then worked their way over to the republican party. These are the ones the TEA Party are fighting. And I totally agree with Palin on this one, the TEA party needs to pick a party (republican) and infiltrate it and weed out the progressives, then do the same for the Democratic party
Agreed, time to get the spinless and go-along to get-along Rinos OUT of the Republican Party.
Theres a lot more Communists imbedded than people know. We are infested and infected.
She’s be right if the Tea Party becomes a legitimate political party that puts up candidates for election— but I always thought the T-Party was “bigger” than that— it was a party of ideas and people designed to influence the parties by show of will and numbers.
That sounds a lot like what Palin was suggesting.
Here is how I sum it up. Tea Party participants are not politically aware people for the most part. They are politically awakened people who do not have a strong philosophy of politics. They can be described in three statements:
They feel taxes are too high.
They feel tax money is being wasted.
They feel politicians are not responsive.
Their views on social issues, economic issues, and other issues are varied across the board.
So, it would be wrong to label them as “Republican” or “Democrat”. They don’t care what label you wear, they just want to hear:
I will lower your taxes. I will cut wasteful spending. I will listen to your concerns.
A Republican who does this in a race against a Democrat who will not will earn the vast majority of the Tea Party votes. A Democrat who does this in a race against a Republican who will not will earn the vast majority of the Tea Party votes.
Palin’s message is for those who want the Tea Party to become a third party. The system in the U.S. is not set up as a parlimentary system, it is set up as a two party system. A third party becomes at best a spoiler and at worse a footnote in history.
The Tea Party movement can make a huge difference in Washington. The Tea Party “Party” will not.
This brings up the obvious question of "if they're really independents, then why would they be going back to the Dims?"
Independents come in all shapes and sizes. As conservatives, we shouldn't care about appealing to ALL independents - since many of those independents are leftists, Greenies, etc. etc. We should focus on appealing to conservative and right-centre independents - people who at some point in their lives probably were Republicans, but left in disgust over the spending and big government drift.
As for conservative Dems, well, the ones who actually are conservative tend to vote Republican anywise, regardless of their party label, and have for two decades now. The TP associating with the GOP is not likely to drive them away when the GOP itself hasn't done so.
Don’t “pick a party.” This isn’t a football game.
Pick your principles, hopefully the founders’ principles, and then pick candidates who faithfully represent those principles. Regardless of party.
Warning! Tea Party movement beware of checkered pants and golf clubs.
The recall of the California governor was started and manned by thousands of ordinary citizens. Volunteers gathered the signatures. (I believe Congressman Darrell Issa contributed a substantial sum to help the signature effort, however.) Some conservative radio hosts ridiculed the effort and some backed the effort.
All the Democrat "newspapers" ridiculed and trashed the volunteers.
The California Republican Party pooh-poohed the movement. IOW the Republican Party backed the Democrat governor. Union goons harassed and even physically attacked volunteers.
Then a (not so) funny thing happened. Once it was clear that the effort was going to succeed and there would be a recall election the Republican Party elbowed the citizens aside and claimed the effort was theirs and Schwarzenegger was the man. The rest is history. Arguably we are worse off now than we were with the Democrat governor.
Total non sequiter.
One year of O'bummer has produced this shift. Eight years is absolutely enough socialism to sweep away BOTH MAJOR PARTIES and might be worth the pain.
No, not electing Republicans who are liberal does not neccesarilly mean a generation lost to Democrats.
Back during the ‘2os, the Liberal Party in Great Britain split into factions for and against David Lloyd George. It has never held power since. The Labour Party replaced it as the alternative to the Tories. Even today many people in England vote for the (now) Democratic Liberals but they have not a ghost of a chance of winning power.
You say you disagree, but you and Titus are saying the same thing. The Tea Party must co-opt the GOP, taking it back to its conservative roots. But as Titus points out, without this the Tea Party will devolve into another useless 3rd party.
>> I disagree with her on her support for McCain in AZ, but she’s right on the money with this. It’s very simple. Either the Tea Parties coopt the GOP and work with conservatives within the Party, or they get to be a jolly good third party with no elected officials to their credit, and no power to do anything but twiddle their thumbs.
I agree completely.
I’m with you on the McCain thing in principle, though I can understand why she endorsed him. Dance with the one who brought ya ... if it weren’t for McCain, Palin would be nowhere. She owes her political future to McCain’s nomination. In some respects, I admire her loyalty for backing McCain ... had she backed Hayworth, it would’ve been a huge embarrassment to McCain, and a slap-in-the-face for the individual most responsible for her being thrust into the political limelight. I prefer Hayworth — and, ideologically, I’m sure she does to ... but it wouldn’t be good for her to stab him in the back. Her loyalty, despite ideology and personal differences during the campaign, shows character.
As for the Party — the only way the Tea Party has a chance is if it seizes control of the GOP ... which it appears to be doing.
The candidate picks the party based on the party’s principles. If someone is a democrat then that means he is OK with their pro-abort, high tax platform.
NO, Sarah...We don’t *have* to do anything we don’t want to. We are *Americans*, and we will not be slaves, your partys slaves *any* partys slaves, any politicians slaves, and we won’t be *your* slaves. You want our votes, you *earn* them.
Piss on the arrogant Dems who have been trying to turn us all into slaves incrementally over the last seven decades, piss on the Republican crooks who think they can give us lip service and then steal the Treasury blind, and if you think we should all just conform to your will because you say so, then piss on you too!
You want to be part of a party that thinks the government owns the People, you better go join the DemoEnslavers, and take your scaled down, conformist DemboSlut role in the cage.
You have painted the picture that the Republican Establishment would like to happen. I don’t know if Palin is up to the job, as Reagan was, to defeat that Establishment and bring conservative principles to bear.
“One year of O’bummer has produced this shift. Eight years is absolutely enough socialism to sweep away BOTH MAJOR PARTIES and might be worth the pain. “
it could sweep away the GOP and the tea party candidate but there will always be a constituency that wants your money.
I disagree; the tea-party is not about a party... it is about standing up for liberty and against government tyranny/over-reaching.
I find all of this funny because here in AZ the tea party movement is already effecting the Republican Party. This is what you all must do. BECOME PRECINCT CAPTAINS..there’s a lot of power there.
Well, maybe we can like her, but then vote Hayworth anywise.
Question for you then:
Does one do this by waving signs, or by getting elected?
>> Well, maybe we can like her, but then vote Hayworth anywise.
I actually think that is what Palin would prefer ... she would just prefer that Hayworth get elected without her having backstabbed McCain.
Nope. Eight years of this clown would give us 15-30 million "new" voters who would vote democrat for three generations. There would be nothing left of our economy. Our military (what would be left of it) would be a fully demoralized EU style police force.
Don't kid yourself, a third party or an "I'm staying home - that'll show them" movement will kill the country then to be called "formally known as the United States of America".
But all Republicans give great regard to the GOP platform, right?
There's the money shot - Too bad I had to scroll to here to find it... Though I am not surprised by who said it, in the least.
Meshed? Like the Republicans "meshed" with the recall effort in California? Meshed must be another word for elbowed, co-opted, quashed.. stole! And what did the Party deliver? SchwarzenKennedy!
Maybe the Party thanked the thousands of private citizens who worked day-and-night to make it happen -- and appolgized for stiff-arming them in the face -- but I have not seen it.
They bite the hand that feeds them when it quits delivering meals. Or free doctors. Or electricity they can afford. Or starts seizing their cars because they cant afford bloated insurance and huge traffic fines
Looking at the left, and their mode of operation, I do not see something that will hold the hearts of the welfare class. They abandon those they think no longer useful.
Have you seen anything from the left that would indicate they wish to prevent total collapse? Or do they have grandiose delusions that they can cause a collapse and not bear the blame?
No. But Democrats certainly don’t care about the GOP platform.
Neither do Republicans, for the most part.
And the illegals have been returning home from here in North Texas. Funny thing about no jobs - it causes that.
The TEA Party needs to stay Independent and hold both parties accountable.
they won’t blame obama for the bad economy. They’ll always blame someone else until there are no more rich people or corporations. It’s more about jealousy than greed. They would be perfectly happy living for subsistence as long as everyone else is in the same situation.
Here's another picture (high-res) of the Republican establishment that I remember from 1964. They made this happen -- with a lot help of their sister Party. I'm still livid.
Nelson Rockefeller according to Stuart Spencer (Rockefeller's public relations head) said, "We had to destroy Barry Goldwater as a member of the human race."
Mainline Republicans have to destroy the Tea Party?
>>I disagree; the tea-party is not about a party... it is about standing up for liberty and against government tyranny/over-reaching.
>Question for you then:
>Does one do this by waving signs, or by getting elected?
Well, one certainly can’t do it by either: a) doing nothing; or, b) taking it in the arse. Or can they?
Well, I'm definitely conservative, and I was NEVER a Republican (nor a Democrat). And I've been that way as a matter of principle.
they voted for GOP in VA, NJ and even MA
With all due respect we only need to pick a party at election time. We do *not* need to become a partisan force. We are much more powerful if we keep our options open and stick to holding all partisan groups to Constitutional principles.
My guess is that the vast, vast majority of times most Tea Party participants will vote GOP. But not necessarily 100% of the time. And that smaller portion of the time we need our non-partisan integrity to stand up to a misbehaving party.
It is entirely possible that the best thing for an election might be to vote for a third party to INTENTIONALLY split a vote for a weak or unacceptable candidate. We may even choose to lose an election (not very often) to send a message that we will support the Constitutional candidate over the partisan candidate.
If we don't reserve this non-partisan, non-centralized power to our movement then we are ceding a great deal of that power to centralized partisanship which has failed us time and time again.
Partisan political parties are necessary electoral tools. It is not necessary, or even wise, to become the tool rather than using it.
I'll be looking forward to hearing your views on these things once your understandable duty to John McCain is over and you are truly free to speak your mind.
Just my $.02.
Individual voting records is what counts...and significant party line votes.
Can’t paint them with the broad brush...like you can the RATs.
So often, the primaries get largely ignored and the “knighted” candidate wins easily. Far more seats seem to be in play this year all across the country and I think the Tea Partiers deserve much of the credit for that. However, come November, we’re still down to D, R and L. Like Sarah says, “pick a party”.
THEY WILL NOT SUPPORT LIBERALS OF ANY PARTY!
The media is making this out to be more complicated than it really is! We are CONSERVATIVES. Mostly social conservatives AND fiscal conservatives...but ALL OF US ARE FISCAL CONSERVATIVES to the nth degree! Constitutionalists, in other words.
We are NOT "fiscal conservatives" like Susan Collins....we're fiscal conservatives like Ronaldus Magnus.
Either the GOP puts up candidates that Tea Party minded people can vote for or they lose elections. End of story.