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World’s biggest coal company brings U.S. government to court in climate fraud
http://www.climategate.com/worlds-biggest-coal-company-brings-us-government-to-court-in-climate-fraud ^

Posted on 02/17/2010 7:06:01 PM PST by mimi from mi

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To: Past Your Eyes

I remember crossing the Green River bridge when we took trips to Henderson and Ellis Park (dad loved to bet on the horses :-)


51 posted on 02/17/2010 7:45:22 PM PST by whtabtbill
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To: mimi from mi

How about a RICO or class action suit by all direct and indirect customers of Peabody Coal or other users of electricity produced from coal?! Lets all sue their a$$es! Tie ‘em up legally for years.


52 posted on 02/17/2010 7:46:01 PM PST by 1ofmanyfree ((No jobs, licenses,mortgages,bank accounts or amnesty for any illegal alien criminals ! ))
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To: Michigan Bowhunter

“Obama doesnt care at all.....”

I suspect Obama cares a lot. Remember the Olympics and Valerie Jarrett? She owned tenements where part of the Olympics grounds would be sited - big $ for Jarrett and no doubt also for Zero. Surely, Obama and friends have their hands open and are expecting big money for getting climate legislation made into law. If this house of cards falls, Obama stands to lose that money.


53 posted on 02/17/2010 7:46:14 PM PST by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: eyedigress
Put the wacky “carbon” scientists on the stand

Hopefully, they will remain healthy.
54 posted on 02/17/2010 7:46:57 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: mimi from mi

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=129849&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1390960&highlight=#splash
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Statement of Peabody Energy Regarding Petition for Reconsideration to EPA
Peabody Energy today filed a detailed petition citing new information as a basis to urge the U.S. EPA to reconsider its claim that greenhouse gases endanger human health.
Under the Clean Air Act, EPA’s “endangerment finding” could mean regulation of hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions of buildings, farms, businesses and other facilities in the U.S.
Peabody believes that EPA ignored its obligation to render sound judgment and conduct a rigorous review of science, instead relying almost exclusively on the work of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change as a major basis for its recent endangerment finding.
The IPCC is an international body whose work is not subject to U.S. data quality standards or consistently peer reviewed.
Compounding this error, EPA outsourced its scientific obligations to an agency whose work has since been shown to be deeply tainted by flaws, in light of multiple instances of errors, manipulated data and gaps in information that make conclusions unreliable. It is clear that the intent of some was to shape a report to satisfy an agenda that is political and not scientific.
Given the seriousness of the flaws by the IPCC, relied upon by EPA, the immediacy of draconian regulation is unwarranted. There is no sufficient basis to implement regulations that would harm a fragile economy, further suppress investment and raise energy costs for Americans. The agency needs to step back and begin a thorough review of the real state of scientific understanding of greenhouse gases.
To the extent that long-term concern regarding greenhouse gas emissions still validly exists, climate change is at worst a long-term challenge - not the immediate crisis that has been conveyed. There is ample time to develop low-emissions technologies such as carbon capture and storage, which global agencies and multiple nations believe are essential for meeting long-term carbon goals.
This supplements Peabody’s original objections to the finding, which ignores the many societal benefits from coal use in helping people live longer and better, while focusing only on perceived costs. Peabody continues to believe that coal use is essential for U.S. economic growth and the advancement of human development around the world. Coal is the fastest growing fuel in the world and global coal demand is expected to increase more than 1.5 times faster than the combined growth rate of oil, natural gas, nuclear and renewables.


55 posted on 02/17/2010 7:48:02 PM PST by pwatson
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To: mimi from mi

BTTT! Sure hope they win!


56 posted on 02/17/2010 7:49:44 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Intolerant in NJ
hope they include in their presentation that tape of the tyrant-in-chief Obama gloating that he will get his way and “bankrupt the coal companies” in the process.......

Didn't know he said that. Is there a thread about it?
57 posted on 02/17/2010 7:49:48 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: mimi from mi

Just the beginning of the suits to come!


58 posted on 02/17/2010 7:51:21 PM PST by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!(FR #1690))
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To: presently no screen name

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/11/02/hidden-audio-obama-tells-sf-chronicle-he-will-bankrupt-coal-industry


59 posted on 02/17/2010 7:53:02 PM PST by WVNan (I hate the liberal news corpse..)
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To: mimi from mi

Man, I hope that this case sheds light on this whole subject. It’s time to bring the public up to speed on this fraud that has been bestown upon them.

I want to see an avalanche of lawsuits because of this.


60 posted on 02/17/2010 7:54:09 PM PST by meyer (Obama's failure is America's Success)
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To: MsLady

Donald Trump just said that Al Gore should return his Noble Peace Prize.


61 posted on 02/17/2010 7:54:48 PM PST by mickie
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To: Intolerant in NJ

It should be a class action law suit. Where can I sign up, I would even donate money to be included.


62 posted on 02/17/2010 7:57:43 PM PST by my right
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To: gathersnomoss

Would be great to have a TeaPartyClimateFraud rally and really shake them up and name all the RINO’s who are FOR it. Might get some resignations.


63 posted on 02/17/2010 8:00:37 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: jakerobins

Oh baby!
Dittos on that.


64 posted on 02/17/2010 8:01:28 PM PST by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... www.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: mimi from mi

Never heard of Peabody before.

This company is now on my hero list.

And with the demise of the immoral McCain-Feingold Law, Peabody may make its voice heard in the next election cycle that would be devastating to the Climate Scammers.


65 posted on 02/17/2010 8:02:10 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. - H. L. Menken.)
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To: my right
I know that it will never happen, but companies should start filing lawsuits for damages against the Sierra Club, Greenpeace, World Wildlife Fund, Peta, American Cancer Socity, EDF, and a bunch more groups so that they disappear or at least are forced to reduce their influence.
66 posted on 02/17/2010 8:02:29 PM PST by Wooly
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To: kidd

Indeed it is.

Let’s just start to call in some “expert” witnesses.

Bwhahahahahahahah.


67 posted on 02/17/2010 8:03:18 PM PST by EBH (The warning bell of Freedom is ringing, can you not hear it?)
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To: WVNan

If there are lots of other people like yourself, maybe you could get a class action lawsuit going.


68 posted on 02/17/2010 8:06:06 PM PST by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... www.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: mimi from mi

Meanwhile headline news keeps talking ad nauseum about Tiger Woods affaires as some kind of breaking news...


69 posted on 02/17/2010 8:10:14 PM PST by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: danmar
So, you are telling us, that they having a loosing case?

not at all.

What makes you an expert in this case?! Care to elaborate?

LOL...wow...I mean, wow. Firstly, I haven't claimed to be any sort of expert, nor was I commenting on the viability of the case in any way. You really ran off into some other county by way of interpretation. If I was unclear I'll apologize.

70 posted on 02/17/2010 8:12:14 PM PST by highlander_UW (Obama has lost or not saved over 4 million jobs!)
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To: WVNan

THANK YOU!! Wonder if Peabody has this?

Barry put his foot in it with this - I SO PRAY his arrogance gags him this time!


71 posted on 02/17/2010 8:15:01 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: mimi from mi

Funny!!!

Obama’s cronies on their heels!


72 posted on 02/17/2010 8:17:46 PM PST by rbosque (11 year Freeper! Combat Economist.)
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To: my right
I would even donate money to be included.

I agree - better to fight it w/our money now than have to eventually give much more to these frauds.
73 posted on 02/17/2010 8:18:04 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Freddd
What took em soo long?

They had to finish shoveling their driveways first.
74 posted on 02/17/2010 8:20:42 PM PST by Canedawg (FUBO! Just FUBO.)
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To: mimi from mi

Well, somebody had to do it.


75 posted on 02/17/2010 8:21:25 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: mimi from mi

Getting Michael Mann and James Hansen under oath after they produce documents would be yummy.


76 posted on 02/17/2010 8:22:02 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: mimi from mi
If we were smart (which we aren't-that is the US Congress) here's what should be done: Let's go nuclear in a very big way. This is the best way to generate electricity. We can use Nuclear for Baseline Electrical Power Generation. We can then shift coal and natural gas over to transportation. Natural Gas can be used directly or converted to Liquid via Fischer Tropsch Process. Coal can be converted to very high quality gasoline, diesel and aviation fuel. The US Air Force has a pilot(no pun intended) program going in which they are flying a small amount of jets on fuel derived from coal. This is the future. Let's phase out coal and natural gas from generating baseline electricity and use for peaker plants only. We can use the coal and natural gas freed up for transportation.

This would (or could) make us energy independent. It would take at least a couple of decades but why not start?
77 posted on 02/17/2010 8:22:19 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: FormerACLUmember

“Hello, Peabody here!”


78 posted on 02/17/2010 8:23:24 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Enterprise

I’m sure the judges will say Peabody has no standing.


79 posted on 02/17/2010 8:25:51 PM PST by JohnnyP
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To: mimi from mi


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

80 posted on 02/17/2010 8:28:13 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: conservativemusician

What is the symbol or where do we find this info?


81 posted on 02/17/2010 8:33:19 PM PST by US_MilitaryRules (Become a monthly donor or FR won't be here for you!)
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To: Cobra64

Peabody won’t be going out of business and even if they did there are many coal companies that would grab up their properties and keep digging coal.

Nobama doesn’t have the gravitas to terminate the use of coal. All he can do is stir shite and make it a bit more troublesome to mine coal.


82 posted on 02/17/2010 8:34:35 PM PST by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: WVNan
I hope all companies that were effected by this, and a huge class action law suit by private citizens would takeout a huge law suit out against the government and the EPA.
I hope more and more companies get on board to do this....

83 posted on 02/17/2010 8:38:22 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Past Your Eyes

Used to really enjoy “eat a lot of peaches” music, but he’s always been a lib-weenie.


84 posted on 02/17/2010 8:38:53 PM PST by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: mimi from mi; All

Just heard this from a friend: The VA Attorney General just filed suit against the EPA, contesting their assertion that that greenhouse gases are hazardous to your health. If not (hazardous), EPA cannot regulate them.

Anyone hear this??? If it has already been posted, please excuse.


85 posted on 02/17/2010 8:40:43 PM PST by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: presently no screen name

Don’t know of a thread - heard it mentioned on Rush or somewhere - supposedly happened in the spring of ‘08 when his campaign was getting started - he was doing a radio interview talking about how he wanted “new energy” sources and his cap and trade bill - said he didn’t care if the coal campanies wanted to fight him because he’d “bankrupt” them if they did - another shocking statement that never got enough airtime from McCain......


86 posted on 02/17/2010 8:42:45 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: The Comedian

Let’s sue them till they can’t do any more harm !


87 posted on 02/17/2010 8:45:45 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: mimi from mi

Great! Kick Obama’s a$$ ‘till his nose bleeds!


88 posted on 02/17/2010 8:56:50 PM PST by Mobties
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To: mimi from mi; markomalley; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; Desdemona; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

89 posted on 02/17/2010 9:47:36 PM PST by steelyourfaith (FReepers were opposed to Obama even before it was cool to be against Obama.)
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To: mimi from mi; All

This really is a biggy, and one that deserves ALL of our abilities in spreading the word about it.

This is a direct legal challenge to the Climate Change Fraud. Getting these Warmer Klowns in court, UNDER OATH, should be a real hoot, although it will take YEARS...


90 posted on 02/17/2010 9:53:53 PM PST by tcrlaf (Obama White House=Tammany Hall on the National Mall)
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To: Past Your Eyes

you know i was going to post that. i cannot hear the name peabody without thinking of that darn song. i hate bluegrass music.


91 posted on 02/17/2010 9:56:07 PM PST by madamemayhem (defeat isn't getting knocked down, it's not getting back up)
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To: Will88

Yes, and ignoring laws that Congress has not passed. It is high time that these executive orders be either challenged or ignored. This is NOT Democracy!


92 posted on 02/17/2010 10:07:13 PM PST by Deagle
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To: mimi from mi
The AGW Smoking Gun

A key component of the scientific argument for anthropogenic global warming (AGW) has been disproven. The results are hiding in plain sight in peer-reviewed journals.

--snip--

The science behind the AGW hypothesis is that increased amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere (that humans produce by burning fossil fuels) will block more outgoing long-wave IR radiation (OLR) from exiting the atmosphere and thereby warm the surface.

--snip--

So the results of three different peer-reviewed papers show that over a period of 36 years, there is no reduction of OLR emissions in wavelengths that CO2 absorb. Therefore, the AGW hypothesis is disproven.

It should be noted that another paper written by Richard Lindzen and Yong-Sang Choi (both work at MIT's Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences -- Lindzen is a professor and Choi is a postdoctoral fellow) reveals the differences between the measured OLR and its impact on temperatures vs. climate models. In the paper, the data showed that OLR increased when sea surface temperatures increased, so this is in direct contradiction to the AGW hypothesis that less OLR should be emitted since more CO2 is absorbing it and warming the planet. Furthermore, in contradiction to the climate models, these results show that OLR is acting like a negative feedback (cooling the surface) instead of a positive feedback (radiative forcing). The Lindzen and Choi paper dealt in general with all OLR wavelengths and didn't show granularity with respect to specific wavelengths that were related to various GHG absorption, but the fact that the entire OLR emission spectrum didn't behave like the eleven climate models' predictions means that "the science isn't settled."

IMHO, the title should have been, "The Four Anti-AGW Smoking Guns."

climategate.com should suffice as the source. Repating the source URL isn't necessary.

93 posted on 02/18/2010 12:07:45 AM PST by neverdem
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To: mimi from mi

This should be good.


94 posted on 02/18/2010 12:08:14 AM PST by FTJM
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To: mimi from mi

Go Big Coal!

(Spoken like a proud Kentuckian)

Coal: The U.S. is sitting on a Sh$tload of it AND we don’t have to bow to the Saudis who may not “sponsor” terror, but who certainly heve birthed their share of Anti-American terrorists.

Clean coal technology for America, YES!


95 posted on 02/18/2010 1:01:56 AM PST by BIOCHEMKY (I love liberty more than I hate war.)
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To: mimi from mi

Thanks SO MUCH for posting! The USA is the Saudi Arabia of coal — just think! Clean cheap energy, jobs, prosperity! What the heck is the matter with the EPA? That’s one agency that needs to be defunded. They have done more to destroy free enterprise than any other agency in the country. Logging, mining, refining, drilling, all fall under the EPA thumb — why? Nobody elected those freaks, but they somehow regulate every business in the country.


96 posted on 02/18/2010 1:09:17 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: LuvFreeRepublic
Virgina did it:
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/state_regional/article/CUCC17_20100216-222005/324766/P10/

Also Texas and Utah:
http://algorelied.com/?p=3740

A total of about 16 Lawsuits have been filed so far:
http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/02/17/17greenwire-16-endangerment-lawsuits-filed-against-epa-bef-74640.html
97 posted on 02/18/2010 1:19:43 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: Judith Anne

You make a very valid point. The EPA is an agency that has no congressional power. It is time for them to be sued. They sure as hell are not the government.


98 posted on 02/18/2010 1:19:46 AM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress

What really gripes me is that this elephantine agency is supported by OUR TAX DOLLARS to destroy industry! And nobody like them — they’re in cahoots with the envirowhackos, and they have their nasty paws in everything.


99 posted on 02/18/2010 1:28:03 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: eyedigress

They somehow have the power to impose fines and prison — who died and left them sheriff? Honestly, the EPA is the worst agency in the country.


100 posted on 02/18/2010 1:29:21 AM PST by Judith Anne
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