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George Will: Sarah Palin and the mutual loathing society
The Washington Post ^ | February 18, 2010 | George F. Will

Posted on 02/17/2010 8:27:21 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Tolsti2
you gotta refocus

That's for you chump, not me! I don't listen to propaganda.
101 posted on 02/17/2010 10:24:55 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here’s why Palin would be an excellent President.. .it something these effete Beltway snobs can never understand because their archetype for the Presidency is more of a King - Messiah - Santa Claus hybrid then the true archetype that the founders envisioned, i.e. CHIEF EXECUTIVE.

Sarah Palin would make an excellent Chief Executive. She’s smart, is organized, has lots of energy, popular, has charm out the wazoo, is upbeat and positive. . .the camera loves her. . .and she has internal content, character and depth. . .she has the values that are directly linked to America’s founding documents. .she bleeds the American Creed and would bring on board those of a similar vein. In this respect, she would be very Reaganesque. A team builder and not afraid of a fight. . you betcha. That bow-tie ninny at ABC doesn’t know a damn thing about what he’s talkin about.


102 posted on 02/17/2010 10:25:09 PM PST by McBuff
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To: onyx

Yes, that’s all that has to happen, and she’s got it within her to do it.

“SHE ONLY HAS TO CONVINCE A MAJORITY OF VOTERS THAT SHE CAN DO A BETTER JOB THAN OBAMA.”


103 posted on 02/17/2010 10:25:13 PM PST by Gator113 (Obama is America's First FAILED "light skinned African American [Pres-dent] with no Negro dialect..")
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To: techno
Melodramatics aside. We should know whether Palin is running in 2012, about a year from now.

As I said, if she does not run, its gonna be a basic replay of 2008 all over again. For this conservative, a clone candidate in the mold of RudyMcRombee just won't be good enough a second time around.

104 posted on 02/17/2010 10:26:18 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: presently no screen name

I wish you’d listen to me. We need to be smart. If Sarah can win, push it. If her negs are too high, which they probably are, we can still push it. Somewhat. Republicans need to win in 2012 and being a bot for any one candidate won’t help.


105 posted on 02/17/2010 10:27:41 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: EveningStar

Well, running a Mickey Mouse as you suggest, we would deserve to be called the Stupid Party.


106 posted on 02/17/2010 10:27:41 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: mick
Sarah Palin doesn't speak for the George Will's of the world...men comfortable with the corrupt status quo of Washington...she speaks for us...and there are millions more of us than of him!!

HEAR! HEAR!

107 posted on 02/17/2010 10:30:20 PM PST by McBuff
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To: presently no screen name

We’ll find out more about the poll tomorrow once it’s released. But the point PPP was making (by the way PPP is a Democratic pollster)that Palin was not in such bad shape as the WAPO poll made her out to be. And in a head-to-head matchup 22% of folks who are still skeptical of Palin would cast a vote for her against Obama. Perhaps it says more of Obama’s inadequacies than Palin’s qualifications but it is what it is!


108 posted on 02/17/2010 10:30:39 PM PST by techno
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To: Tolsti2

The problem is that when ever the media turns on a Repulican candidate everyone scatters like cockroaches.


109 posted on 02/17/2010 10:31:11 PM PST by Sarah-bot (Savage is the only one qualified to become the first female President)
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To: McBuff

They are SO afraid - even these columnists. It certainly will not be business as usual. DC will be turned around so fast - a government that works for us. The insiders do NOT want a party crasher - and that’s what Palin will be. They KNOW it.


110 posted on 02/17/2010 10:31:41 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Sarah-bot

Not always, Scott Brown just won. There are winnable candidates out there. They usually are lighter on the more lib reps though.


111 posted on 02/17/2010 10:35:11 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I know of another Governor who wanted to quit, tried to quit, would have quit, 18 months into his first term.

Ronald Reagan.

Had he been able to beat Nixon for the 1968 GOP nomination he would waved good bye to California and hit the campaign trail.

112 posted on 02/17/2010 10:35:57 PM PST by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: techno
head-to-head matchup 22% of folks who are still skeptical of Palin would cast a vote for her against Obama

those who have voter regret!

THANKS for bringing this TRUTH to the forefront!
113 posted on 02/17/2010 10:36:14 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: TennTuxedo

Hey, come on, George Will is their so-called Republican representative of the middle (okay, middle left). If they did not have him on their morning shows, it would be so far left that they might only get MSNBC’s viewership numbers.

I would actually love for them to get a Conservative on any of the network shows - just to get some interaction between the leftists that they so promote. It would of course improve their ratings so much that it would scare them, so they would have to fire them immediately...heh.


114 posted on 02/17/2010 10:38:46 PM PST by Deagle
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To: Tolsti2
I wish you’d listen to me. We need to be smart.

Stop begging! I am smart because I NEVER LISTEN TO DEFEATIST, they are a drag! And when addressing me - don't use 'we'.

being a bot for any one

Besides 'outing' yourself on that comment, YOU are the bot - a propaganda-spreading bot!

Go SARAH!! A TRUE CONSERVATIVE PATRIOT!
115 posted on 02/17/2010 10:42:38 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Gator113

She doesn’t have to use Harvard language or submit a treatise on George Soros to be able to define him and expose Obama’s links to him. The same goes for Obama’s Marxism and Marxist policies and czars. She wanted to go after him in ‘08. Just think what she’ll do in 2012!!!

Sarah is plain spoken and although she is derided for it, a lot of people are appreciative. Lofty words and soaring rhetoric have grown tiresome.

One thing’s for sure. She won’t run if her polling tells her that she doesn’t have a decent chance of winning. Considering everything she’s been through, she’s not about to put herself in the position of sacrificial lamb. Our lady Sarah is too smart and too tough for that role.

But if she runs............

“SHE ONLY HAS TO CONVINCE A MAJORITY OF VOTERS THAT SHE CAN DO A BETTER JOB THAN OBAMA.”


116 posted on 02/17/2010 10:43:48 PM PST by onyx (BE A MONTHLY DONOR - I AM)
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To: presently no screen name

I agree, go Sarah, I like her! And We need to be smart about it.


117 posted on 02/17/2010 10:46:29 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Reagan Man
its gonna be a basic replay of 2008 all over again.

I agree. That's one reason why they are hitting hard on Sarah and the TeaParty - they see how the country is reacting positive to them both and 'we the people' in control - they don't like that! Scott Brown's win made their heads spin.
118 posted on 02/17/2010 10:51:32 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yet Sarah Palin, who with 17 months remaining in her single term as Alaska's governor quit the only serious office she has ever held, is obsessively discussed as a possible candidate in 2012. Why? She is not going to be president and will not be the Republican nominee unless the party wants to lose at least 44 states.

Nail on the head.

119 posted on 02/17/2010 10:51:47 PM PST by FTJM
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The media hates Sarah Palin. The polls are tampered with to make her look bad. People who loved Ronald Reagan also love Sarah.

It would be smart to not let the media decide who the Republican Presidential candidate will be.

If it is not Sarah Palin, the media wins again. They gave $800 million of free propaganda to Zero. Ronald Reagan could not have won and his poll numbers would be where Sarah’s are today if they did to Reagan what they are doing to her. Remember how McCain’s numbers were so good until he was running against Zero! The media manipulated the election and the polls.

We would be wise to take back the media by going around them and not letting them dictate our nominee.

We could strike a blow to them once and for all by doing all we can to get Sarah elected!!

The biggest reason they hate Sarah are her Pro Life Stand and her Christian faith which she doesn’t hide.


120 posted on 02/17/2010 10:53:10 PM PST by factmart
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

May God save us from populists.

A highly educated, blue-blooded elite ran this country for its first 190 years or so with only the occasional blips on the map like Jackson and Lincoln. FDR was nothing more than an elite who happened to read Das Kapital.

One could make the argument that it’s really only since we started electing yahoos from the lower class like Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Clinton, and Obama that this country has gone to hell in a handbasket.

Where is William Howard Taft now that we really need him?


121 posted on 02/17/2010 10:54:45 PM PST by MrRobertPlant2009
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In the current economic environment and foreign affairs environment to come, an isolationist, regulation killing, George Patton type could easily win the presidency, but the special interests of today will not. Prepare for an ugly surprise, come 2012, IMO, because voters who have no say in choices of candidates won’t put up with the usual business any more.

The chattering class in both parties is out of touch. Most voters don’t care for extreme social sensitivities, feminism, scary wind mills, disturbances of cottontail migration routes, or in general, things the few more insulated folks in government and corporate offices care so much about. So the votes will go to the least of the choices of the elite (rather than continue so incrementally toward a communist/fascist, psychotic regime for special interests), until the situation is remedied.

See Havel in Czech, Walesa in Poland,... Then try tightening the screws on the new American peasants, who now include many Tea Party members who’ve been through foreclosures. See what happens.


122 posted on 02/17/2010 10:58:22 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: factmart
The biggest reason they hate Sarah are her Pro Life Stand and her Christian faith which she doesn’t hide.

They hate her for that but they FEAR her because they know party time is over in DC. Both for the 'rats and the pubs - she's done it in Alaska. She'll bring back the government to work FOR the people, not against them, i.e., like robbing them, all their perks, laws against us, etc., etc.
123 posted on 02/17/2010 11:01:50 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: FTJM

November 5, 2008, huh? Since you were assigned Free Republic, do you get an office or just a cubicle? Or do you just sit down at the local Starbucks? You all getting dug out of all that snow in Chicago?


124 posted on 02/17/2010 11:07:24 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2 million for Sarah Palin: What will you do?)
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To: FTJM

I hear Michael Savage, Richard Cohen and George Will and others rail against Sarah Palin, but do they ever offer an alternative besides another RINO, if that.

Folks, I am a conservative and I am open to the thoughts of the esteemed political scribes who propose other conservative candidates to consider but when they appear to be remiss in suggesting a name and why that name would win the GOP nomination over Palin and Romney and thus never want to enter that arena but turn it right around and bash Palin again I become dubious of their intentions. Suppose Palin like George Bailey in It’s a Wonderful Life wasn’t born, who would be your conservative champion in 2012? Tell us, we would like to know. We really would.


125 posted on 02/17/2010 11:16:18 PM PST by techno
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
November 5, 2008, huh? Since you were assigned Free Republic, do you get an office or just a cubicle? Or do you just sit down at the local Starbucks? You all getting dug out of all that snow in Chicago?

That reply is tired and weak. Surely, you can think of something better.

I have 70 threads and 2,046 replies here. Feel free to look through them before you spout off.

126 posted on 02/17/2010 11:17:49 PM PST by FTJM
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To: Brimack34
"These guys hate conservative women."

Misogyny.

We have som real thugs here tonight. They're afraid that their short organs will get even shorter...

127 posted on 02/17/2010 11:24:24 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: techno
Interesting, it's always "bashing" when Palin gets criticized.

The fact that people are so adamantly supporting her for an election in 2012 when she isn't even running (yet) is ridiculous. I personally don't think that she will run for President in 2012 and wouldn't win the nomination anyway.

To even name a candidate at this point is silly, esp when 2010 is so important. I'll wait to see who emerges, and will keep an eye on Demint, and Toomey (beyond 2012).

128 posted on 02/17/2010 11:26:37 PM PST by FTJM
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To: Tolsti2

You Obama noobs are a real bunch!

If only you could see how ridiculous you look.


129 posted on 02/17/2010 11:28:14 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: editor-surveyor

obama noob, yep, that’s me. Even though I said I support Palin, I vote for Bush twice, I hate 90% of what obama is doing. Yep, that’s it.


130 posted on 02/17/2010 11:30:26 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: FreeReign

Of course not. Congratulations, you just knocked down another strawman.


131 posted on 02/17/2010 11:32:05 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: editor-surveyor

Oh, also aren’t you the extremist creationist? That everyone that isn’t a 6000 year old Earth believer is both a democrat and a liberal?

Well. Your visions of reality seem distorted. But maybe you didn’t really mean what you said about me.


132 posted on 02/17/2010 11:32:40 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: editor-surveyor

As far as experience, she has more than Washington and Lincoln. I’m serious!! I’m going to do a study of all the Presidents’ experience and before the election in fall will post. But she has more than are best two already.

How that George!


133 posted on 02/17/2010 11:32:48 PM PST by factmart
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To: techno

There are many reasons why the liberal elites and the GOP establishment loathe Palin but if it can be boiled down to one reason it is that she was smart enough to figure out that she had to seize the opportunity to run for POTUS in 2012 and not later, if the political landscape allowed her to, and that to give herself the best opportunity to succeed in that endeavor she would have to resign the governorship to give her enough time to get her ducks in a row and take the necessary steps to prepare herself to run the presidential marathon.

Here is how the GOP establishment figured it: Palin would not run for reelection but serve out her term or at least not leave office until spring 2010 when her book came out. By then she would be behind the 8 ball in terms of fundraising, organization, advisors, status in the polls, and because of the Alaskan law prohibiting her from embarking on political endeavors to the lower 48 when the legislature was in session she would be handicapped by a lack of presence there at least in the first half of 2010 (not able to attend the TP convention, CPAC or the SRLC).

Simply Palin outsmarted the entire GOP enstablishment by leaving office last July and they have never forgiven her for making such an astute political move.


134 posted on 02/17/2010 11:36:44 PM PST by techno
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mr. 5 Nov 2008 thinks Truther Medina is just swell.
Medina, the loon who stated no police officers died at the WTC on 9/11.

The Palin bashers are the bitter loons.


135 posted on 02/17/2010 11:37:39 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Tolsti2

The bunch that has signed up in the last election cycle are the least adept that we’ve had to absorb here.


136 posted on 02/17/2010 11:38:44 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: factmart

Here are some poll questions I would like to see:

Is Romney, a one-term Gov. of Mass, qualified to be President?

Is Obama qualified to be President?

Was Geoge H. W. Bush qualified to be President when he ran in 1980?

Was John Edwards qualified to be President?

Was Hillary Clinton qualified to be President?

I must have missed seeing these questions polled.

Obviously, this question of experience is selectively applied.


137 posted on 02/17/2010 11:47:22 PM PST by nowheretohide
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To: techno

The three most ridiculous statements about Palin:

“I don’t thinking she is running in 2012.”

Palin is receiving daily briefings from Washington insiders and has assembled a kitchen cabinet.

Palin also said on Fox News Sunday: “It would be absurd to rule out running in 2012.”

Sarah Palin is a frontrunner now. What frontrunner ever bowed out of a contest?

“It will be 2008 over again.”

If Palin runs, no it won’t be. McCain was a RINO, plagued with white guilt and pleasing the MSM and non-aggressive and playing tippy-toe against Obama. Palin is a conservative, takes no prisoners and is on a mission to destroy Obama and his radical agenda and the Far Left.

“Palin is unelectable or too polarizing.”

That’s like saying that Rommel and the Nazi army were opposed to Patton’s offense thrusts with his tank corps. Guess who doesn’t favor Palin-Democrats and Leftist who hate her guts. Who cares how deep their hate is for her. They all only have one vote. And they have a vested interest to feel unfavorable towards her.


138 posted on 02/17/2010 11:49:23 PM PST by techno
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The beltway elites considered the fact that Obama had been “running a campaign” for two years to be sufficient experience for the office.


139 posted on 02/17/2010 11:56:33 PM PST by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: FTJM
The fact that people are so adamantly supporting her for an election in 2012 when she isn't even running (yet) is ridiculous.

Who the freak cares what you think! You got something against conservatives that rally around a potential conservative? Why does that p*ss you off so much that you just HAD to come here and make it known!

But that is nothing new with you, you are like a rat to cheese when it comes to Palin threads.
140 posted on 02/18/2010 12:02:34 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Interesting, you think I care what you think.


141 posted on 02/18/2010 12:07:08 AM PST by FTJM
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To: editor-surveyor

George Will isn’t taking irrelevance very gracefully, is he!


CLASSIC! (snickering)


142 posted on 02/18/2010 12:13:35 AM PST by bjorn14 ("The Constitution is a fundamentally flawed document..." -Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dorothy Rabinowitz has a column asserting that Reagan never appealed to resentment. Now George Will is promoting the meme.

BALONEY! Anybody can look up Reagan’s 1980 Acceptance Speech. It’s hard to believe the Republican Convention was in Detroit that year.

Reagan’s indictment of Carter’s “economic stew that has turned the national stomach” is elegant and damning.

There was PLENTY of resentment and fear—both in the country AND in Reagan’s 1980 campaign.

Most campaign years there’s a lot of commentary about “positive” and “negative” campaigning. BALONEY! What matters is: Is it TRUE?


143 posted on 02/18/2010 12:14:15 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: NavVet

And he’s doing a bad @ss job of it - and it’s impossible for him to do a good job for America because he HATES America! What he has done ‘so far’ is proof. A con man Marxist as president of the USA and his voters are wondering when is the economy going to turn around since they are out of a job and homeless.

After throwing a party for the con man Marxists, a little man sits in his mansion and tells his readers what they think is good is really bad - after all, ‘he’ knows. The con man’s mantra - ‘he knows best’.


144 posted on 02/18/2010 12:16:41 AM PST by presently no screen name
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This jazz about “qualified” is another bit of BALONEY!

A person who understands economics, who knows how to run a business, who has sound moral convictions, and who loves the country, is qualified to be President.

A Communist, baby-killing race-baiter who hates the United States is unqualified to be President.


145 posted on 02/18/2010 12:20:39 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: nowheretohide

They use ‘qualified’ because they have nothing against Sarah. Your list is perfect and speaks for itself. Their problem is and they know it ... she is MORE than qualified and her love of America gives her true grit!


146 posted on 02/18/2010 12:34:24 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yet Sarah Palin, who with 17 months remaining in her single term as Alaska's governor quit the only serious office she has ever held, is obsessively discussed as a possible candidate in 2012. Why? She is not going to be president and will not be the Republican nominee unless the party wants to lose at least 44 states.

Will is wrong on this one.

147 posted on 02/18/2010 1:21:49 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If experience is a criterion for the White House, explain Mr. Obama to me, George.

Exactly!

148 posted on 02/18/2010 1:22:47 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, George Will finally outs himself. Feckle East Coast idiots.


149 posted on 02/18/2010 4:09:28 AM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s the dork at the party wearing short pants, white socks and brown penny loafers and eating foie gras on peanut butter cookies.


150 posted on 02/18/2010 5:06:58 AM PST by sergeantdave
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