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EPA, Countering Critics of Greenhouse Gas Findings, Says 'Science Is Settled'
Fox News ^ | 2/19/2010 | Molly Henneberg

Posted on 02/19/2010 4:57:19 PM PST by tobyhill

The Environmental Protection Agency, responding complaints about its December findings about the threat of greenhouse gases, issued a statement Friday saying that the "science is settled" and "greenhouse gases pose a real threat to the American people."

The statement comes after after Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli filed a petition with the EPA and a challenge in federal appeals court over the EPA's conclusions.

With climate scientists in the hot seat recently over an e-mail scandal and mistakes in a prominent U.N. report, Cuccinelli argues the EPA should "restart the process and this time use rigorous, defensible science."

He says the EPA is expected to announces measures to cap carbon emissions, based on its climate change findings, and that will put a "staggering burden" on Virginia residents and businesses.

The EPA says it is going forward with "common sense measures that are helping to protect Americans from this threat" and said its critics are trying to "stall progress."

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhoepa; co2; globalwarming; science

1 posted on 02/19/2010 4:57:20 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill; markomalley; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; Desdemona; ...
EPA is way out of control.

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

2 posted on 02/19/2010 5:00:01 PM PST by steelyourfaith (FReepers were opposed to Obama even before it was cool to be against Obama.)
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To: tobyhill

EPA drawing more flak on GHG emissions plan

Resistance is growing to a U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) attempt to regulate greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions under the federal Clean Air Act, with several states and industry groups challenging the move.

The American Iron and Steel Institute (AISI), Washington, was one of several groups and interested parties that filed petitions in advance of the Feb. 17 deadline to challenge the EPA’s “Endangerment Filing,” in which the federal agency wants to regulate greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act.

The AISI earlier this week said it was challenging the EPA’s Endangerment Finding on the grounds that its analysis of the evidence and its process for reaching its findings were “fundamentally inadequate” (AMM, Feb. 17).

Petitions also have been filed in the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia by Gerdau Ameristeel Corp., Tampa, Fla.; Peabody Energy Corp., St. Louis; such industry groups as the National Mining Association and...

http://www.amm.com/login/amm-*/2010-02-19__08-21-45.html/EPA+drawing+more+flak+on+GHG+emissions+plan


3 posted on 02/19/2010 5:01:04 PM PST by kcvl
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To: tobyhill
the "science is settled"

Yeah, that's the ticket. Saying that the "science is settled" makes it settled. Let's dispense with minor items such as data, evidence, proof, consensus, and the scientific method.

4 posted on 02/19/2010 5:01:13 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (Kenya tell me where Obama was born?)
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To: tobyhill

Is Algore the head of the EPA?


5 posted on 02/19/2010 5:01:34 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican, no Conservative was on the ballot.)
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To: tobyhill

That may work against VA, and even TX, but there gonna have a problem here,IMO.

Peabody Energy has all its ducks in a row and they’re comin’ out shootin’!

http://www.climategate.com/worlds-biggest-coal-company-brings-us-government-to-court-in-climate-fraud


6 posted on 02/19/2010 5:01:55 PM PST by Roccus (POLITICIAN.....................a four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: Roccus

there s/b they’re.


7 posted on 02/19/2010 5:02:46 PM PST by Roccus (POLITICIAN.....................a four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: tobyhill
The Environmental Protection Agency, responding complaints about its December findings about the threat of greenhouse gases, issued a statement Friday saying that the "science is settled"

"And we're NOT going to talk about it any more, you doodoo heads!" (much stamping of cranky little feet)

8 posted on 02/19/2010 5:02:48 PM PST by American Quilter (Mourning Capt Phil Harris of the Cornelia Marie.)
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To: tobyhill

common sense measures? lolol


9 posted on 02/19/2010 5:02:51 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: steelyourfaith

Let us hope that junk science organizations, EPA included, start to dsappear after coming elections.


10 posted on 02/19/2010 5:03:16 PM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: kcvl
Science is never settled. The remark that the science is settled proves that the EPA is lying. The last rule of the scientific method is to reexamine the whole thing.
11 posted on 02/19/2010 5:03:21 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: tobyhill

There is no such thing as settled science by its very definition


12 posted on 02/19/2010 5:04:11 PM PST by GeronL (I pledge allegiance to the Principles of the Bill of Rights and to protect and defend it...)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
Typical of so many political scientists.......

BTW, that's a derogatory reference to an individual with an advanced degree who works in a government administrative position.

Sure seems to fit EPA though.

13 posted on 02/19/2010 5:05:00 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: tobyhill

The morons don’t even see the laughable contradiction inherent in their statement.


14 posted on 02/19/2010 5:05:23 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Roccus

The states need to stagger the lawsuits and make each one on different grounds or some judge will rule it class action. If these attorney generals can get them in different courts they can most certainly get some EPA heads on some perjury charges with contradictory statements.


15 posted on 02/19/2010 5:08:01 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

We need to strip the EPA from the Federal govt, and throw its components into an active volcano.


16 posted on 02/19/2010 5:08:07 PM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: skeeter

Scientists should always be ready to give an account of why they are where they are. It’s like the EPA believes Climategate means absolutely nothing, but yet cannot detail why. The lawsuit by Peabody is going to force them to do this.


17 posted on 02/19/2010 5:10:17 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: tobyhill; All

Yes, Virginia, opposition among the states to climate fraud is growing: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2454495/posts


18 posted on 02/19/2010 5:11:53 PM PST by raptor22 (The truth will set us free)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

I think what they are trying to say is that the science was settled long before it was unsettled.


19 posted on 02/19/2010 5:12:44 PM PST by marstegreg
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To: tobyhill

I know of SCIENCE FICTION... that’s more SETTLED than this GloBULL warming....


20 posted on 02/19/2010 5:16:19 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (OBAMA ... Orwell's 1984 was a WARNING ... NOT a TEXTBOOK!!!)
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To: tobyhill

Water Vapor comprises 95% of the “greenhouse gases”.
Naturally occurring CO2 comprises less than 4 %.
“Man-made” CO2 comprises less than 4% of that 4%.
The variations in Water content in the atmosphere have significantly greater impact on the level of “greenhouse gases than any contribution man makes.
Furthermore, CO2 is an 800 year lagging indicator TRAILING temperature.
While the Arctic ice caps have retreated slightly, the Antarctic ice caps have grown and furthermore, 75% of Antarctica’s area is 8 METERS THICKER than it was 20 years ago.
Add to this the VERY long list of recently discredited AGW conclusions.....and assume for a moment that you are capable of objective assessment, you will likely conclude that there is NO GLOBAL WARMING!!!


21 posted on 02/19/2010 5:17:43 PM PST by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: steelyourfaith
EPA is way out of control.

And they have everyone so distracted with the CO2 issue that nobody is even noticing the the non-CO2 regulatory mandates that are pouring out of EPA.

The CO2 stuff will be tied up in court for years. The non-CO2 stuff - if you don't sue within 60 days you are SOL. And it is a tidal wave new requirements.

Just yesterday - requirements for diesel generators - about 900,000 impacted - cost to US citizens approximately $1B up front and another $350M per year.

No muss no fuss just done. And just an example of one of many...

22 posted on 02/19/2010 5:17:50 PM PST by !1776!
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To: tobyhill

The facts don’t matter.

Evil governments will take the power once an opportunity presents itself.

These GW scientists and environmental wackos has done far more damage to the world then they understand.


23 posted on 02/19/2010 5:19:09 PM PST by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: tobyhill
The EPA needs to be neutered immediately after the November elections. They are beholden to the people not to thier agenda, the only agenda they should have is the agenda the people give to them!
24 posted on 02/19/2010 5:20:42 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Cockblock the sock puppet in 2010)
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To: tobyhill

Time to dismantle the EPA and move all Environmental activities to individual State control.

When we take back the Congress the Reps could totally defund this cancerous Department.


25 posted on 02/19/2010 5:22:01 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: ronnie raygun

It should be a promise made by the Republicans for 2010. Muzzel the EPA, or disband/defund the agency all together.


26 posted on 02/19/2010 5:27:34 PM PST by WHBates
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To: tobyhill
IMO, the states will draw the public opinion and the corporations, with their batteries of high-powered lawyers are gonna pound the EPA into the sand. The corporations are going right at the fraud. The EPA just saying that it's settled science won't stand up. They're gonna have to PROVE IT!!!! No amount of dry ice, vinegar or sea water is gonna help criminals like Lubchenco from NOAA to prove that greenhouse gases are pollutants. The IPCC report will be shredded, finally, in court for the world to see. If we are very lucky, Mann, Jones and some of the other co-conspirators will be hauled into the dock to face questions they won't be able to ignore.

As an aside, the lawsuits that will follow once the EPA looses will be legion.

27 posted on 02/19/2010 5:27:35 PM PST by Roccus (POLITICIAN.....................a four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: tobyhill; LucyT; ExTexasRedhead; JustPiper
The EPA is corrupt!

Corruption and Fraud at the EPA (1995)

EPA corruption unveiled by its own personnel

Dingell, Stupak investigating corruption of Science Panels at EPA (2008)

Dow's toxic legacy of EPA corruption

Scientists mobilizing to fight FDA & EPA corruption

Senator Boxer accuses EPA of profound corruption

Mutually assured corruption; the Justice Department and Anne Burford's EPA - includes articles on Anne Burford and Rita Lavelle

EPA - Pass Cap and Trade or else

EPA suppresses its own report casting doubt on global warming

Climategate will now hit the EPA

Applying the NAEP Code of Ethics to the Environmental Protection Agency and the Fluoride in Drinking Water Standard

Missouri House Members challenge EPA

The political corruption of science

28 posted on 02/19/2010 5:28:24 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: OldNavyVet

It would be outstanding to sht can EPA, Dpt of Education, HUD, HHS, Homeland Security, Dept of Labor and put Vetrans Affairs under DOD.


29 posted on 02/19/2010 5:36:05 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: !1776!
I recorded Glenn Beck today to watch tomorrow, but in passing I believe I heard Beck say that Harrisburg, the capital city of Pennsylvania, is on the verge of bankruptcy ... largely because they were ordered to build a $228 million incinerator by the EPA. As one of the means of servicing their debt Harrisburg is looking at raising property tax by 117%.

Rogue powers wielded by an unelected, flunky bureaucracy ... basing their decisions on junk science. A cancer.

30 posted on 02/19/2010 5:41:20 PM PST by steelyourfaith (FReepers were opposed to Obama even before it was cool to be against Obama.)
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To: tobyhill
The Environmental Protection Agency ... issued a statement Friday saying that the "science is settled"

The EPA needs to be settled -- at the end of a rope.

America -- a great idea, didn't last.

31 posted on 02/19/2010 5:43:13 PM PST by Clint Williams (America -- a great idea, didn't last.)
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To: G Larry

You are right. In addition, CO2 is a non polar simple molecule that has narrow absorption lines, it can’t form in chains like water. In addition it has almost already saturated its absorption at resonance. An atmosphere that is 100% CO2 would only be very slightly warmer.


32 posted on 02/19/2010 5:44:56 PM PST by Dennis M.
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To: !1776!
Just yesterday - requirements for diesel generators - about 900,000 impacted - cost to US citizens approximately $1B up front and another $350M per year.

The administration is trying to finish off the economy. You just don't do things like this during a major recession.

33 posted on 02/19/2010 5:45:41 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest; ExTexasRedhead
The administration is trying to finish off the economy. You just don't do things like this during a major recession.

. Nonstop incessant promo Obamacare (economy-budget busting)

. Continued spending Stimulus funds on pork barrel projects (sheer money wastage - shoveling it into democrat coffers)

. Cap and Trade - Green Agenda - Global Warminig promo (American job busters each and every one of them)

. Upcoming Amnesty for illegal aliens (assuring Americans are displaced by "new citizens" willing to work for a fraction of the wages/benefits)

He's not "trying" to finish off the economy - he IS finishing off the economy! Every single day it's even more devastating Obama agenda news.

34 posted on 02/19/2010 5:56:12 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

“Saying that the “science is settled” makes it settled. Let’s dispense with minor items such as data, evidence, proof, consensus, and the scientific method.”

This could make one really interesting Daubert hearing. I want a seat for the fireworks if it gets that far.


35 posted on 02/19/2010 6:02:49 PM PST by A Strict Constructionist (How long before we are forced to refresh the Tree of Liberty? Sic semper tryannis)
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To: MamaDearest
He's not "trying" to finish off the economy - he IS finishing off the economy!

His War on Prosperity will take years to clean up even if the GOP wins in November.

36 posted on 02/19/2010 6:07:38 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: tobyhill

Liars!


37 posted on 02/19/2010 6:28:18 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: kcvl

All the Unions are against this as well.


38 posted on 02/19/2010 6:43:01 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: tobyhill

The EPA is run by lunatics, not scientists.

If they believe that carbon dioxide is a hazard to people, then they should kill themselves and lessen that threat.

My GOd, how stupid can people be? Oh, I forgot, Washington DC bureaucratics. SORRY!


39 posted on 02/19/2010 6:46:58 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: ForGod'sSake; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

Thanks tobyhill.


40 posted on 02/19/2010 7:59:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: tobyhill
Your honor, the EPA said "the science is settled." We file for immediate summary judgment against the EPA.

Granted.

41 posted on 02/19/2010 9:55:10 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("Roll back Pelosi" Rush Limbaugh, 2/12/10)
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To: tobyhill

Let’s litigate the science and put Al Gore under oath.


42 posted on 02/20/2010 3:27:28 AM PST by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will continue to have more relevant quality executive experience than B. Obama.)
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To: mountainlion

” Science is never settled. The remark that the science is settled proves that the EPA is lying. The last rule of the scientific method is to reexamine the whole thing. “

Indeed. “Science is settled” is a bogus political statement and not a scientific one.


43 posted on 02/20/2010 4:09:02 PM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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