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What's Behind America's Falling Crime Rate (Gun sales not mentioned- it's a complete mystery)
Time ^ | 2-20-10

Posted on 02/20/2010 1:10:12 PM PST by launcher

No one can convincingly explain exactly how the crime problem was solved. Police chiefs around the country credit improved police work. Demographers cite changing demographics of an aging population. Some theorists point to the evolution of the drug trade at both the wholesale and retail levels, while for veterans of the Clinton Administration, the preferred explanation is their initiative to hire more cops. Renegade economist Steven Levitt has speculated that legalized abortion caused the drop in crime. (Fewer unwanted babies in the 1970s and '80s grew up to be thugs in the 1990s and beyond.)

The truth probably lies in a mix of these factors, plus one more: the steep rise in the number of Americans in prison. As

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; crime; crimerate; guns; ignorantmedia; trends
I love it. The fact that we have been buying guns by the planeload doesn't even occur to these twits. Sprinkle in a few Epic Beard Men and you have a drop in crime. Go figure.
1 posted on 02/20/2010 1:10:12 PM PST by launcher
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To: launcher
"The fact that we have been buying guns by the planeload doesn't even occur to these twits"

It doesn't occur to them, or do they willfully ignore it? I imagine either is likely.

2 posted on 02/20/2010 1:12:00 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: launcher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mqrDpUS7Do


3 posted on 02/20/2010 1:13:33 PM PST by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: launcher

Dallas did it by not accurately reporting crime. Police chief under fire, retiring


4 posted on 02/20/2010 1:14:06 PM PST by rstrahan
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To: rstrahan
Dallas did it by not accurately reporting crime. Police chief under fire, retiring

The same thing has been going on in other places like NYC.
5 posted on 02/20/2010 1:19:18 PM PST by Ticonderoga34 (Free Obama's Birth Certificate!)
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To: launcher

FWIW, improved trauma treatment has played some considerable role in the drop in the murder rate.

I’ve seen estimates that if emergency medicine was still operating at 1960 levels of effectiveness the murder rate would be two to three times higher. I’d suggest that the assault and assault with intent to kill statistics give a more accurate picture of the violence level.

Just as the relatively low death toll for our military in Iraq says more about the effectiveness of the medical treatment they receive than about the comparative violence of the combat. Compared to previous wars, of course.

Had 2010 medicine been available for our civil war, the total deaths would have been somewhere under 150,000 rather than the actual 640,000.


6 posted on 02/20/2010 1:21:26 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Never confuse schooling with education.)
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To: launcher
Read FREAKONIMICS!
7 posted on 02/20/2010 1:26:16 PM PST by Young Werther (wtih)
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To: launcher
Time Magazine: now available in outhouses everywhere.


8 posted on 02/20/2010 1:26:21 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat (,)
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To: Sherman Logan

I hadn’t thought of that- good comment


9 posted on 02/20/2010 1:27:51 PM PST by launcher
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To: launcher

“Epic Beard Men”

Oh yea!!!

We need more heroes like him!


10 posted on 02/20/2010 1:30:02 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Sherman Logan

Of course, if we’d had 2010 medicine available for our civil war, we’d also have had 2010 military tech, and it would have been a whole different war. MOABs used on Richmond, for examples.

That’s the problem with counter-factuals.


11 posted on 02/20/2010 1:30:37 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Never confuse schooling with education.)
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To: struggle

Watching the original video is one of life’s guilty pleasures.


12 posted on 02/20/2010 1:32:24 PM PST by andyk
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To: launcher

how about the millions of illegals that have returned home due to lack of work?


13 posted on 02/20/2010 1:34:39 PM PST by sten
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To: launcher
While there are undoubtedly multiple factor, it is my theory that most of the drop in crime can be attributed to the drop in the illegal alien population. With this drop, the number of illegals who commit crimes (in addition to the crime of being here illegally) has dropped as well.
14 posted on 02/20/2010 1:40:03 PM PST by Pres Raygun
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To: sten

You nailed it, Dude!


15 posted on 02/20/2010 1:45:18 PM PST by TaMoDee
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To: launcher

Funny thing...I tried to contact Time to let them know the REAL reason crime rates may have declined to some extent. That, of course, is the purchase of firearms by millions of Americans. But it seems you cannot contact Time via email unless you are a subscriber! Apparently the Time folks only want to hear from people brainless enough to subscribe to their magazine!


16 posted on 02/20/2010 1:45:23 PM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: launcher

Meth works? Dead folks don’t contribute to the crime rate.


17 posted on 02/20/2010 2:01:18 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: launcher

Reminds me of the old New York Times headline: “Crime Rates Down in Spite of Record Incarceration Rates”.


18 posted on 02/20/2010 2:04:19 PM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Enjoy nature - eat meat, wear fur and drive your car!)
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To: launcher

I haven’t seen a Time magazine since I saw a 1972 edition in my dentist’s office a few weeks ago.


19 posted on 02/20/2010 2:29:40 PM PST by catnipman
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To: launcher

“...looks on those prison years as a costly void, “a waste of society’s time and money in the sense that I didn’t get any rehabilitation or any educational opportunities.””

Prison isn’t just about rehabilitation and all the other folderol. It’s also about punishment, retribution, justice.


20 posted on 02/20/2010 2:33:26 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Sherman Logan

“Had 2010 medicine been available for our civil war, the total deaths would have been somewhere under 150,000 rather than the actual 640,000.”
I don’t know what the actual numbers would have been, but I do know that sickness killed a hell of a lot of those 640,000 troops.


21 posted on 02/20/2010 2:35:15 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: OldDeckHand
The fact Is that crime didn't go UP as is always the prediction from the Far-Left National Socialist Democrats when there are “more guns on the street”.

In other words, the Far-Left National Socialist Democrats were WRONG, just as they are always wrong on gun control, spending, taxes, the economy and generally their incessant push for Statism.

22 posted on 02/20/2010 2:56:11 PM PST by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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To: launcher

Guns plus:

AZ Maricopa County 2008: Illegal aliens down 30%. Total felonies down 18.5% Thx Sheriff Arpaio!


23 posted on 02/20/2010 2:56:47 PM PST by donna (SarahPAC has donated money to...(wait for it)...Lindsey Graham!)
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To: Sherman Logan

The TV series “Emergency!” (1972-1979) was all about the exciting new idea that there should be paramedics who were allowed to actually treat the injured on the trip to the hospital!

It was cutting edge stuff.

State laws had to be changed to allow the treatment without a doctor in the ambulance.


24 posted on 02/20/2010 3:04:44 PM PST by donna (SarahPAC has donated money to...(wait for it)...Lindsey Graham!)
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To: Sherman Logan

Very good points!


25 posted on 02/20/2010 4:43:24 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Scotsman will be Free
I do know that sickness killed a hell of a lot of those 640,000 troops.

I don't have the numbers immediately available either, but it was something over 2/3, I believe.

How many troops have we lost to sickness in Iraq and Afghanistan? Darn few. Which is kind of my point. Modern medicine is even better at preventing deaths from typhus or dysentery than from wounds.

To die in the military today, you just about have to get shot in the head or the heart, or thoroughly blown up.

26 posted on 02/21/2010 10:37:37 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Never confuse schooling with education.)
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To: Pres Raygun

That may account for crime drop in some states, but not all. Illegals are not uniformly distributed around the country.

...and the crime drops occurred even during years when illegal immigration was high.


27 posted on 02/21/2010 10:42:26 AM PST by MediaMole
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To: launcher

bump


28 posted on 02/23/2010 4:45:52 AM PST by VOA
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