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Mark Levin: I have no idea what philosophy Glenn Beck is promoting. And neither does he
Mark Levin Fan ^ | February 21, 2010 | Mark R. Levin

Posted on 02/21/2010 1:14:06 PM PST by Sergeant Tim

I was invited to be the opening speaker at Saturday's CPAC session. I had accepted but then, to my amazement, I learned that the John Birch Society would be one of many co-sponsors. This takes the big-tent idea many steps too far for me. So, I withdrew. Apparently, others were not so moved. That's fine. But it wasn't for me. Bill Buckley and Barry Goldwater, among others, chased the Birchers from the movement decades ago. And they're not a part of the movement. So, to give them a booth at CPAC was boneheaded.

I want to commend Bill Bennett for his wise piece this morning on the Corner. I agree with him.

I have no idea what philosophy Glenn Beck is promoting. And neither does he. It's incoherent. One day it's populist, the next it's libertarian bordering on anarchy, next it's conservative but not really, etc. And to what end? I believe he has announced that he is no longer going to endorse candidates because our problems are bigger than politics. Well, of course, our problems are not easily dissected into categories, but to reject politics is to reject the manner in which we try to organize ourselves. This is as old as Plato and Aristotle. Why would conservatives choose to surrender the political battlefield to our adversaries -- who are trashing this society -- when we must retake it in order to preserve our society? Philosophy, politics, culture, family, etc., are all of one. Edmund Burke, among others, wrote about it extensively, and far better that I possibly can. But all elements of the civil society require our defense. Besides, why preach such a strategy when conservatism is on the rise and the GOP is acting more responsibly?

Moreover, when he does discuss politics, which, ironically, is often, how can he claim today that there is no difference between the two parties when, but for the Republicans in Congress, government-run health care, cap-and-trade, card check, and a long list of other disastrous policies would already be law? The GOP is becoming more conservative thanks to the grass-roots movement and a political uprising across the country, which has even reached into New Jersey and Massachusetts. Why keep pretending otherwise? My only conclusion is that he is promoting a third party or some third way, which is counter-productive to defeating Obama and the Democrat Congress. These are perilous times and this kind of an approach will keep the statists in power for decades.

And what of his flirtations with Ron Paul's lunacy respecting America's supposed provocations with her enemies, including al-Qaeda? Why should such a fatal defect in thinking be ignored? Do we conservatives agree with this?

Finally, Beck is fond of congratulating himself for being the only or the first host to criticize George Bush's spending. This is demonstrably false. I not only attacked his spending, but the creation of the Homeland Security Department, the prescription drug add-on for Medicare, his "moderate" tax cuts, as well as his nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, "comprehensive immigration reform," and so forth. And I was not alone -- Rush and Sean did the same, for example. And as someone who fought liberal Republicans in the trenches when campaigning for Reagan in 1976 and 1980, I don't need lectures from Beck, who was nowhere to be found, about big-spending Republicans. But this is not about me, or Beck, or Beck's past drunkenness (which he endlessly wears as some kind of badge of honor). It is about preserving our society for our children and grandchildren. Beck spent precious little time aiming fire at Obama-Pelosi-Reid in his speech, and it is they who are destroying our country.

On as a positive note, I am personally happy to see that Beck has cleaned up his public act -- as best I can tell, no more boiling fake frogs on TV or pretending to pour gasoline on someone -- and the rest of it. But I do think his speech, which contained nuggets of truth heard before and read elsewhere, including on Rush's show and in my book and many other books, may have distracted from some of the more compelling and coherent speeches at the event, including Marco Rubio's superb speech. I fear the media will see to this. I hope not.


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Also see Mark Levin addressing the third party cowards.
1 posted on 02/21/2010 1:14:06 PM PST by Sergeant Tim
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To: MNJohnnie; Mo1; MOgirl; molitor; MrCFdovnh; navynucmom; nc1mrw; NCLaw441; Neverforget01; ...

Mark Levin ping!


2 posted on 02/21/2010 1:15:03 PM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Sergeant Tim
I learned that the John Birch Society would be one of many co-sponsors. This takes the big-tent idea many steps too far for me. So, I withdrew

Understandable. But, GOProud was a sponsor to be more offended by.

3 posted on 02/21/2010 1:16:38 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Sergeant Tim

To the headline - oh so true!


4 posted on 02/21/2010 1:16:45 PM PST by svcw (If you are going to quote the Bible know what you are quoting.)
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To: Sergeant Tim

CPAC was bizarre this year.

The fact they couldn’t define Conservative Principles tells me they don’t KNOW Conservative Principles. When the straw poll supported ru paul, I knew CPAC had gone around the bend.

Just when I was feeling optimistic about 2010.


5 posted on 02/21/2010 1:17:32 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Sergeant Tim
Beck's never been for me. I don't particularly enjoy people that are all over the political map. Personally I think Levin should have participated in CPAC. Herman Cain did and he gave a great speech:

Herman Cain at C-PAC

6 posted on 02/21/2010 1:18:05 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: Sergeant Tim

I had the same idea that Beck may be trending towards trying to validate a third party that will be a total disaster for conservatives.


7 posted on 02/21/2010 1:19:08 PM PST by chichipow
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To: Sergeant Tim
I like Mark because he can keep his tears in check.
8 posted on 02/21/2010 1:20:29 PM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: freedumb2003

“When the straw poll supported ru paul, I knew CPAC had gone around the bend.

Just when I was feeling optimistic about 2010.”

Well, Mitt Romney won it three times, and how did that turn out?


9 posted on 02/21/2010 1:20:47 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sergeant Tim

He’s described Beck exactly. The guy drives me nuts (Beck) and lately it seems like he’s EVERYWHERE.


10 posted on 02/21/2010 1:20:56 PM PST by BuckyKat
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To: Sergeant Tim

If “conservatives” are going to continue the circular firing squad when the Dems, progressives and media do their own sniping, I have no choice but to wave the white flag and surrender. I’ve had enough already. I’m old enough that I’ll be taken care of if the progressives win. So, for myself, It’s been nice knowin’ you.


11 posted on 02/21/2010 1:21:33 PM PST by 1raider1
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To: Sergeant Tim; holdonnow
This is demonstrably false. I not only attacked his spending, but the creation of

As much as it pains you Mark, this isn't about you. Bill Bennett's piece this morning wasn't 'wise'. It was indicative of the problem with establishment Republicans who just don't get it.

There are two choices: Either many elected Republicans are so hopelessly incompetent and so spineless that they cannot enact the policies that they claim to support OR they are complicit in the attempted destruction of this republic.

Until we own up to just how significant the betrayal of principle was that occurred in the Republican party, we cannot properly fix the problem.

Mark, I fear that your borderline obsession with Glenn Beck has clouded your judgment on this.

12 posted on 02/21/2010 1:21:44 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: Sergeant Tim

So, how different are the Birchers from the Paulbots?


13 posted on 02/21/2010 1:21:46 PM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: svcw

The only problem with Levin is that he seems to be about as wrong as Beck. For example, in this story he credit’s the GOP with having slowed down the the Demoncrat’s agenda when, in fact, it was the American People who accomplished that.


14 posted on 02/21/2010 1:22:02 PM PST by The Duke
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To: Sergeant Tim
as someone who fought liberal Republicans in the trenches when campaigning for Reagan in 1976 and 1980, I don't need lectures from Beck, who was nowhere to be found, about big-spending Republicans

I wanted to shoot the TV last night. Beck needs to go on Oprah, get out whatever guilt he feels he must atone for and stop assigning it to others. His editorial "we" is infuriating.

15 posted on 02/21/2010 1:22:11 PM PST by Brugmansian
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To: Sergeant Tim

Beck gave a great speech. Lighten up Levin.


16 posted on 02/21/2010 1:22:29 PM PST by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Sergeant Tim
Also....Beck's attacking and mocking the birthers and suggesting they are as fringe as the truthers is INCOMPREHENSIBLE!!

When tyranny comes Beck will willing lend his talents to push the propaganda of our oppressors. He will spit shine the jack boots crushing our necks.

17 posted on 02/21/2010 1:22:39 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: Sergeant Tim

So somebody explain to me about the John Birch Society. I hit their website, they look like anti-communists from the McCarthy era.....I have no problem with that.


18 posted on 02/21/2010 1:23:05 PM PST by ScreamingFist
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To: Sergeant Tim

How about Constitutionalism. We need less Marx and more Madison.

It’s amazing how no one seems to understand such a simple approach as reading what the constitution says and what our founders said and following it. It’s also amazing how when Beck starts talking about Madison and Jefferson and applying their principles he gets attacked as some kind of right wing lunatic.


19 posted on 02/21/2010 1:23:25 PM PST by dajeeps
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To: Vision
Beck gave a great speech. Lighten up Levin.

Agreed. I don't know why Levin is unhappy with Beck. From what they are saying and doing, they're on the same team. Perhaps a little rivalry or something.

20 posted on 02/21/2010 1:23:43 PM PST by meyer ("It's not enough just to not suck as much as the other side" - G. Beck)
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To: Sergeant Tim

My husband says he’s attracting young people to conservatism. Beck isn’t for me, either is Hannity. But, I believe, their purpose is to attract people to conservatism, so, in that respect, go for it. But, us true blue conservatives must help our kids along this path and guide them to our founding. IMO, there are too many who have jumped on this bandwagon. We just need to bring them up to speed once they’ve been introduced to the ‘generic’ message.


21 posted on 02/21/2010 1:23:54 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Although I continue to call Mark Levin “The Great One” I disagree with him here. I think there is a place for Glenn Beck’s particular style and message and no, I do not think he’s pushing a third party.

Beck is calling out liberal Republicans and he’s right to do so. The fact that Levin has done so for years is beside the point. The fact is, Beck is reaching more people that Levin and whether or not I think that’s a good thing is irrelevant. It is what it is. Beck is a big booming voice right now and on balance our nation is better off with that voice than without it.

Would Levin feel better if Beck were somehow silenced? Does he think that would be a net plus for our country?


22 posted on 02/21/2010 1:24:00 PM PST by samtheman
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To: BuckyKat

Can’t listen to Glenn. I only listen to Mark L and King Dude.


23 posted on 02/21/2010 1:24:08 PM PST by whitedog57
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To: meyer

Beck is stealing Mark’s work as his own, without credit.


24 posted on 02/21/2010 1:24:37 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Okay, libertarian one day, conservative another, and anarchic another day. Can we at least credit Beck for not being liberal, not even a RINO? I think the big tent concept is foolish when it comes to including liberals posing as conservatives, but, that said, there is certainly room both in the philosophy and under the tent for someone like Glenn Beck.

I would want to be a lot more circumspect about who we choose to fight, and much prefer to expend the energy fighting liberals and their drivel.


25 posted on 02/21/2010 1:24:44 PM PST by DPMD (~)
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To: Sergeant Tim

I agree with Levin that Beck doesn’t know what philosophy he is spouting. This is a positive for Beck in my book because he is simply asking pertinent questions and seeing where they lead. From this a new philosophy may spring. This is an interesting process.


26 posted on 02/21/2010 1:25:43 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

CPAC, the fruits and nuts PAC.


27 posted on 02/21/2010 1:25:52 PM PST by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Mark went on to say just that; this is not about him or Beck.

The problem is not that Beck claims to have been the lone voice out crying in the wilderness but that if you follow him, watch out for the cliff he’ll lead you off.

Beck is in this for one reason: Beck.


28 posted on 02/21/2010 1:25:57 PM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Sergeant Tim
why preach such a strategy when conservatism is on the rise and the GOP is acting more responsibly?

The heart of the issue.

29 posted on 02/21/2010 1:26:24 PM PST by denydenydeny ("Leftists are like vampires; shine a light on what they are doing and they retreat."-Andrew Klavan)
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To: Sun

>>Well, Mitt Romney won it three times, and how did that turn out?<<

I guess we have the working definition of “Dumb” (Romney) vs. “Insane” (ru paul).


30 posted on 02/21/2010 1:26:29 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: The Duke
For example, in this story he credit’s the GOP with having slowed down the the Demoncrat’s agenda when, in fact, it was the American People who accomplished that.

Well yeah. Of course. The people, Republican voters, who supported the Republicans representatives who threw up the roadblocks. Not the Republicans who whined and cried and said there was (is) no difference between the parties. Not the Republicans who ape the "everybody does it" liberal talking point. Not the Republicans who, whenever liberals do anything, cry: "and the spineless Republicans will do nothing".

31 posted on 02/21/2010 1:26:32 PM PST by Brugmansian
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To: ScreamingFist

I agree. What’s wrong with the John Birch Society?


32 posted on 02/21/2010 1:26:51 PM PST by samtheman
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

I have to agree with you.

Also, Mark says “the GOP is becoming more conservative...” but I haven’t seen any signs of that.


33 posted on 02/21/2010 1:27:07 PM PST by donna (SarahPAC has donated money to...(wait for it)...Lindsey Graham!)
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To: Vision

Beck doesn’t make the allowance for Conservatives fighting within the Republican Party. Sure there is Progressivism in both parties, but the ideology between the Republican and Democrat Parties are opposites. Yet, Beck lumps the two together. His thinking is so murky.


34 posted on 02/21/2010 1:27:14 PM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: 1raider1
old enough that I’ll be taken care of if the progressives win

"I gots mine!"

Great attitude.

35 posted on 02/21/2010 1:27:32 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Sergeant Tim

Mark is correct....but then again Levin endorsed Romney during the primaries...so I’m not sure what he’s smoking sometimes either.


36 posted on 02/21/2010 1:28:13 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Sergeant Tim
I don't think that Beck is trying to start a third party. He seems to be aimed more towards 'cleansing' the Republicans of the progressive element. True he didn't spend much time bashing Reid, Obama, et al , but do you really think that that crowd was wondering about the merits of the current bunch in power? When you read, listen, or watch Beck, you must always remember that it's the progressives that he counts as enemy number one. The fact that this stripe goes through both parties to greater or lesser degrees give rise to his disdain for both.

Just my $.02, ymmv

37 posted on 02/21/2010 1:28:41 PM PST by Wingy (Don't blame me. I voted for the chick. I hope to do so again.)
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To: freedumb2003

lol

But the good news is that neither of them ended up being the presidential candidate. That was my point.


38 posted on 02/21/2010 1:29:00 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Beware of Romney, he’s fooled a lot of people. Pawlenty is in that same camp.


39 posted on 02/21/2010 1:29:10 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: meyer

Beck is insulting to the conservative movement.


40 posted on 02/21/2010 1:29:20 PM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: Sergeant Tim

Thank you my friend Mark Levin!

And you too Sergeant Tim for posting it. Great words that we can use against the dumb bastards that think Beck is so wonderful.

I too am sick of his AA poor me stuff. Somebody said he was a dry drunk.


41 posted on 02/21/2010 1:29:32 PM PST by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, Freeper Picnic in Planning)
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To: Sergeant Tim
..Beck was better on CNN HN

Since coming to Fox he is in an ego contest with O'Reilly.

And whatever ADD meds he was on--he has since stopped taking them...

42 posted on 02/21/2010 1:30:33 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: 1raider1
I’m old enough that I’ll be taken care of if the progressives win. So, for myself, It’s been nice knowin’ you.

Yep. Nice knowin' ya. :0/


43 posted on 02/21/2010 1:31:52 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Mark did not endorse Romney. He endorsed Fred Thompson.


44 posted on 02/21/2010 1:32:03 PM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: The Duke

A little reading comprehension on your part is needed.

Levin said,”The GOP is becoming more conservative thanks to the grass-roots movement and a political uprising across the country...”


45 posted on 02/21/2010 1:32:12 PM PST by Round 9
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To: Fudd Fan

ping


46 posted on 02/21/2010 1:32:52 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks ("YOU LIE! (09/09/09)" "NOT TRUE! (1/27/10)")
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To: Sergeant Tim

I just read Bill Bennett’s piece, that Mark is so big on. It totally misses the point about WHY Beck is saying it’s hangover time in morning in America.

It’s the SPENDING, stupid. Sure Tea Parties and some Republicans have done good work in the last year. But the SPENDING is still there. The huge gargantuan SPENDING. And to pretend it’s all the work of the democrats is just plain denial.

And that’s all Beck is saying. Stop the denial. We (the Republicans) had the whole government for 6 solid years and what did we (the Republicans) do? We went on a SPENDING binge.

And now that Obama is president “we” suddenly “see the light”.

No, no, no, no, no.

It doesn’t work that way. We (the Republicans) have to own up to our historical role in this process of SPENDING America into bankruptcy.


47 posted on 02/21/2010 1:32:58 PM PST by samtheman
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To: CaptainK
Read his book about his dog he lost...quite emotional. (I have had dogs die or had to put them down) but he surprised me at his maudlin emotions about his dog, mourning about his dog months after the death...but I do like to watch him when he is on TV cannot stand to listen to him on the radio. but a good conservative...
48 posted on 02/21/2010 1:33:46 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Wingy

Thing is, he has no idea how to do that, and he is leading a number of people who don’t know either, while at the same time he is excoriating people within the party who are clearly conservative and battling daily.


49 posted on 02/21/2010 1:33:46 PM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: ScreamingFist
So somebody explain to me about the John Birch Society. I hit their website, they look like anti-communists from the McCarthy era.....I have no problem with that.

Their "known Communists" included Eisenhower. We know now that there were plenty of real Communists in Washington from the thirties through the fifties: Alger Hiss, Harry Dexter White, etc. But by calling essentially every single public official in America a Soviet agent, they provided a de facto cover to the real Soviet agents. They are a joke and an embarrassment.

50 posted on 02/21/2010 1:34:17 PM PST by denydenydeny ("Leftists are like vampires; shine a light on what they are doing and they retreat."-Andrew Klavan)
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