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Saturday Night Beck (Bennett's Beefs with Beck's Bloviations)
National Review Online ^ | Sunday, February 21, 2010 | Bill Bennett

Posted on 02/21/2010 2:10:47 PM PST by TruthHound

To say the GOP and the Democrats are no different, to say the GOP needs to hit a recovery-program-type bottom and hang its head in remorse, is to delay our own country’s recovery from the problems the Democratic left is inflicting. The stakes are too important to go through that kind of exercise, which will ultimately go nowhere anyway — because it’s already happened.

The first task of a serious political analyst is to see things as they are. There is a difference between morning and night. There is a difference between drunk and sober. And there is a difference between the Republican and Democratic parties. To ignore these differences, or propagate the myth that they don’t exist, is not only discouraging, it is dangerous.

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To: TruthHound
I thought Beck's speech at CPAC was excellent. He deliverd a rousing call-to-arms. His speech was substantive and rhetorically brilliant. His history lessons are extremely important and, above all, entertaining. The latter cannot be overemphasized. My generation was raised using what Dave Barry calls, "The Boring Method" of teaching history --dull textbook orthodoxy. As soon as most people hear the word history, they tune out. When Glenn starts talking history, I want to tune in.

My only complaint was that Glenn didn't mention the most important public policy issue of our day: abortion. It's hard to imagine that God will bless our country as long as we slaughter future generations.

51 posted on 02/21/2010 3:15:44 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: FrdmLvr

Who are you going to purge and where are you going to purge them to? You CANNOT win the presidency without the votes from a majority of moderates and Independents. That’s a fact. Purge the GOP of everyone you happen to disagree with on one issue or another and you will hand over the executive branch of government, and the senate, to the Democrats permanently. That’ll show those RINOs, won’t it?


52 posted on 02/21/2010 3:15:53 PM PST by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: ohioWfan

Bush is not in office any longer. He didn’t walk on water either.


53 posted on 02/21/2010 3:16:13 PM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: incredulous joe
Delay, Hastert and Cunningham - there are three - one is in jail, one quit and one said, "Mr. President we have cut all we can."

I think Beck is all talk and somethimes a broken watch is correct, but Boehner thinks he can still pay off congress and be a good leader. His ideas are a real as his tanning bed tan. EGO not leadership.

Ron Paul may be for small government but he trows in plenty fo pork for his district. He would not need to if we did a little mroe drilling.

54 posted on 02/21/2010 3:17:07 PM PST by q_an_a
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To: STARWISE
And there is a difference between the Republican and Democratic parties.
Oh, he's good, I'll give him that.
But notice...
Does Glenn truly believe there is no difference between a Tom Coburn, for example, and a Harry Reid or a Charles Schumer or a Barbara Boxer? Between a Paul Ryan or Michele Bachmann and a Nancy Pelosi or Barney Frank?
Is he trying to compare, or contrast, individuals to a political party?
An individual within a political party isn't the same thing as the political party itself.

Perhaps in his next column he'll explain just what differences there are between the Republican and Democratic parties and not its members.

55 posted on 02/21/2010 3:18:02 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: nhwingut
"...not exactly some constitutional historian/wonk."

Oh, you prefer a "Constitutional scholar" who teaches it? Like Barack Obama?

"...a low rated CNN show"

Got some numbers you can cite, or is your low opinion of Beck just making you talk out of your butt? BTW -- he was on CNN Headline News, which isn't carried in all the same places that CNN is. It's a miracle that he was even able to work there, considering the content of some of the shows.

56 posted on 02/21/2010 3:18:51 PM PST by DJ Frisat (How's that change workin' out for ya, Obama voters?)
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To: ohioWfan
He's just another BDSer hiding behind a hundred words.

57 posted on 02/21/2010 3:18:51 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: fhayek
I didn't listen to his speech because I have heard him say there is NO difference in the parties, that they are the same, too many times on his TV and radio shows, and I wasn't interested in his CPAC speech.

I completely agree with electing conservatives. But if they're in a third party, the Dems win. That's just the way it is.

We need to reform and revitalize the Republicans in Congress. We need to have them stand on conservative principles and elect new conservative Republicans to office.

A third party will KILL the Conservative ascendency that's taking place. I don't think that's what Beck wants, but that's what he's advocating ALL THE TIME.

58 posted on 02/21/2010 3:19:03 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: I see my hands
Seems so. I remember how much he respected President Bush after 9/11.

Too bad Glenn has forgotten what he did to save this country from destruction during those days.

59 posted on 02/21/2010 3:21:26 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: nhwingut
Beck’s a pompous self-important boob

...and so sanctimonious. He's a broken record - founding fathers ... constitution ... But when he says there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats he exposes how much of an real idiot he is.

60 posted on 02/21/2010 3:22:32 PM PST by plain talk
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To: TruthHound

I think some of you are misunderstanding what Beck is trying to do. The fact is, the Pubbies did such an awful job w/ their stewardship when the had control, that they ended up losing control of Congress, & ultimately the White House as well.

The mood of Congress has certainly changed since Beck started his “crusade”. I think the Pubbies are doing better, not great, but better since then. I think Beck simply wants to keep the heat on lest they fall back into the error of their ways. Let’s face it, it’s not hard to imagine them doing so given their recent history.

Many of the guys that handed the power back to the Dem.’s are still there. I’m glad Beck is keeping their feet to the fire. Do you think the MSM will?

There is a wave of change sweeping the nation & we can’t afford to have that wave snuffed out by complacency. Beck, & Rush to some extent, are some of the only ones willing to put it all on the line to make sure that doesn’t happen.

Bottom line, whether you like Beck or not, people are talking & listening, & that’s a very, very good thing. It’s been a long time since we’ve seen that. If nothing else comes of Beck’s crusade, the fact that he’s got people talking & listening, is quite remarkable & worth celebrating, whether one likes him or not.


61 posted on 02/21/2010 3:23:07 PM PST by Reno232
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To: TruthHound

So who are the chosen ones deemed worthy to speak about the Constitution? And who sets themselves up as the high-and-mighties (empowered by what authority) to appoint whoever they deem worthy to speak? Lord Bennett appears somewhat jealous of the attention he craves.


62 posted on 02/21/2010 3:23:10 PM PST by EverOnward
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To: jessduntno
How many professional “pundits” have gone from punditry to a career in politics?
Not many, not that it matters.

Isn’t it usually the opposite track?
Why, yes, it is. Isn't that curious in and of itself!

Pundits do not get elected...
They have to enter the arena to get elected and I don't see any of them stepping up to the plate!
...they can’t shake the talking head image.
And this is supposed to be a bad thing? Most talking heads have higher name recognition than most politicians.

63 posted on 02/21/2010 3:23:57 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: streetpreacher
Both parts of that post were nonsensical based on what I posted.

Is that what you intended? To make no sense whatsoever?

btw, if you're saying "Bush is not in office any longer," why are so many BDS'ers still running around screaming about him requiring factual clarification of wrongheaded posts?

Also.......I hope you appreciate the ongoing legacy of President Bush in selecting Roberts and Alito, two strong conservative SCJ's.

Doesn't require walking on water, but it's a good thing to most conservatives. Not to you, preach?

64 posted on 02/21/2010 3:26:09 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan
I was referring to a different "he".. your post pal: sam.

65 posted on 02/21/2010 3:26:27 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: I see my hands
Aha...........oops.

Sorry for missing that, but I see what you mean. :)

66 posted on 02/21/2010 3:27:36 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: WaterBoard
POTLATCH

67 posted on 02/21/2010 3:29:29 PM PST by potlatch (- What a co-inky-stink!)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

You wrote:

“Then pray tell, what did the Republitards do to reign in the profligate spending when they controlled both houses?”

Did you not read what Bennett wrote?

He specifically addressed this and remakred that many GOP have ADMITTED they blew it. I’ve heard over and over myself. Why is there this resistance to give the devil his due?

Okay.

Now, do we just want bloody red meat or a real solution?

The point is, real work HAS been done by solid conservative republicans to refocus GOP efforts along conservative principles—they should be given credit, not devoured in some ‘yesterday’s news” mindless rage/temper tantrum.

I’m beginning Beck is chasing his tail in some overwrought zeal of to much celebrity, too bad— as his instincts and common sense, when not given over to maniacal self indulgence are dead on.

We do not cannibalize ourselves. It is STUPID.

Bennett is right.


68 posted on 02/21/2010 3:31:13 PM PST by cycle of discernment
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To: ohioWfan
ohio,

Re: Justice Samuel Alito

You seem to have forgotten that Bush's first choice was his center-left White House Counsel, Harriet Miers.

It took an outside-the-beltway grassroots Conservative rebellion, led by Rush Limbaugh and Michele Malkin, to put Samuel Alito on the Supreme Court.

69 posted on 02/21/2010 3:34:15 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: streetpreacher
And I agree with Andrew Breitbart: the largest battlefield and place of impact is within the world of media, not simply winning an election or two.

Do you have the article where that is stated or perhaps the exact quote?

70 posted on 02/21/2010 3:34:21 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: ohioWfan
ohioWfan.

This is what I originally said that drew a reaction from you:

We need a purging of the soul in the Republican ranks.

That is not the same thing as "purging the Republican Party of people like George W. Bush". Those are YOUR words, not mine.

I purposely used the words I used to highlight a TENDENCY, in many Republicans... most certainly in George W Bush... to make BIPARTISANSHIP a goal in and of itself.

It's that TENDENCY that MUST be purged... otherwise we're all no better than John McCain.

Do you not agree that the nomination of John McCain was a travesty? Do you not see the role George W Bush played in that nomination?

And when I say role, I mean so in a broad sense, not saying George W Bush actively campaigned for McCain in 2008.

But he may as well have. After years of wishy-washy policy... he set the stage for McCain.

And it was McCain who gave us Obama.

71 posted on 02/21/2010 3:36:48 PM PST by samtheman
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To: TruthHound

I think Beck wants to be a 3rd party troll. Beck just cares about Beck. I’ll bet Beck would not be adverse to accepting some dough from Soros under the table. Soros knows how to divide and conquer.
I’m glad Levin is naming names. Bennett too. We don’t want a stupid third party because, we don’t want to live (or die!) under the one party Democrat tyranny.
When Levin starts naming names, others will follow.


72 posted on 02/21/2010 3:37:56 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: zeestephen
Actually, it took a failure of Miers to get through the Senate interviews.

A lot of people took credit for that, but she just didn't do well.

And Alito was nominated by President Bush very quickly afterward, and, in case you've forgotten, is now on the Supreme Court.

I haven't forgotten anything. Roberts and Alito are on the SC because of President Bush.

73 posted on 02/21/2010 3:37:58 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: samtheman
Agree, Beck is right about the spineless Republican’s. But this financial ‘armageddon’ has been going on for years. Can't be sure, but the huge defeat of Goldwater in 1964, in my opinion, eliminated any future real and basic conservative platform agenda's to the trash basket. From then on, just do what the Democrat's do, but slower and smaller. The Party lost it's way. Blame Bush if you like, he made many poor choices, but he loved America, did all he could to protect us and was not intentionally trying to destroy our Nation. There is an excellent article by Charlie Reese, 545 vs. 300,000,000. If you have not read, you should. It took both Parties to get us into this current financial holocaust. And Beck is trying in his way, good or bad, to tell someone, some group or some Party (hopefully the Republican’s) to stand up, admit government failures and begin to act intelligently, financially sound, Constitutionally wise and with the Nation's health and well-being first and foremost and political ambition a distant second.
74 posted on 02/21/2010 3:39:19 PM PST by mulligan
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To: LibFreeUSA
Bennet shows he's clueless when he refers to Mccain as a positive force in the republican party. The GOP has too many posers like Mccain, Graham and Snowe. What kind of republican supports cap and trade or open borders? There's a lot of dead wood that has to be thrown out of the republican party.
75 posted on 02/21/2010 3:40:53 PM PST by peeps36 (Democrats Don't Need No Stinking Input From You Little People)
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To: ohioWfan

I agree with you about Roberts and Alito. Thank God that we got better than we deserved didn’t we?

But there’s no doubt that Bush’s fiscal policies helped to get us to where we are today. That’s where my main gripe with him is/was (along with the border and amnesty).

In terms of social policy and the courts though, we probably couldn’t have done better... and we dodged a bullet. We could have nominated Johnny Mac in 2000, a year he could have won... shudder...

I’m just ready to move forward with TRUE conservative change and not a default return to the government-lite status quo. Obama has provided us a wonderful opportunity that we shouldn’t squander.


76 posted on 02/21/2010 3:43:30 PM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: turducken

Bennett is Newt with a better marriage vow.


77 posted on 02/21/2010 3:44:30 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: samtheman
I see the nomination of McCain as a travesty, and I see it as the result of the media that McCain courted and stupidly thought would stick with him against a Dem. He was a media darling who became a goat. We all knew he would. He stupidly didn't.

There were also many Dem crossovers in the primaries that helped McCain along.

And when he was nominated, he campaigned harder against Bush than he did against Obama. He countered Bush at every turn when he was in the Senate. He took credit for Bush's successful surge.

He was as much anti-Bush as Obama was, so blaming Bush for his loss, frankly, makes no sense.

btw, saying we need a "purging of the soul in the Republican ranks," followed by George W. Bush, is even worse than the way I worded it.

It was both a misleading and confusing statement, with no implication of bi-partisanship whatsoever. The implication was that George W. Bush damaged the soul of the Republican party. And he didn't.

78 posted on 02/21/2010 3:46:21 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: philman_36

I just watched a video of him yesterday; that’s why it was fresh in my mind. I will try to scan my history later to find it.

Actually, if you google, it’s the video where he tells the NY Times reporter that she is a despicable human being.


79 posted on 02/21/2010 3:47:04 PM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: FrdmLvr

FrdmLvr, If the day comes that Beck openly calls for people to vote 3rd party, then I will openly criticize him.

Until that day comes I say this: he’s doing a good job introducing conservatism to many who would otherwise just not get it at all.

And Bennett and Levin should cut him some slack. Especially Bennett, who’s pretty much an intellectual lightweight.


80 posted on 02/21/2010 3:47:09 PM PST by samtheman
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To: ohioWfan

That’s right. McCain was a travesty. And what was his greatest single travesty? Well, to each his own, I guess, but in my mind it was McCain-Feingold.

And what did Bush do? Signed it. And why? Because he thought the Supremes would gut it, which they did, almost a decade later. But what does that say about Bush? What would YOU have done if you had been president. I know what I would have done, or any decent conservative.

But Bush, for all his fine points — and he had many — was not deep down a conservative. He really wasn’t.


81 posted on 02/21/2010 3:50:14 PM PST by samtheman
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To: grumpygresh

Your conspiracy theory is as laughable as the Paulites. Soros money under the table? Seriously?


82 posted on 02/21/2010 3:50:47 PM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: ohioWfan

And it doesn’t matter that McCain spent the 2008 campaign campaigning against Bush. That only shows how stupid McCain was.

What matters is that Bush’s inherent RINOism set the stage for McCain.

And that’s what you can’t see.

And that’s what Beck can see.


83 posted on 02/21/2010 3:51:20 PM PST by samtheman
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To: streetpreacher
I have never required total agreement with a President's policies to continue to respect his character. I disagreed with both Reagan and Bush on some issues, but continued to highly regard both men.

I too am ready for an across the board conservative, but I think you'll agree that the person needs to be able to be elected, don't you? There needs to be a strong leadership potential (as Reagan and Bush both clearly had), and not just an ideological perfection.

We never get 100% of what we want, but when we get across the board conservative federal judges and SC justices, a powerful pro-life stance, an unwavering tax cutting policy, and a courageous (and lonely) stand in the war against terrorists, I'd say we came out extremely well under George W. Bush.

And I believe history will prove me right on that.

84 posted on 02/21/2010 3:52:12 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: streetpreacher
Actually, if you google, it’s the video where he tells the NY Times reporter that she is a despicable human being.
Max Blumenthal confronted by Andrew Breitbart and Larry O'Connor/Stage right at CPAC 10
85 posted on 02/21/2010 3:52:29 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: mulligan

I agree with you, mulligan, and I’m going to get that article you mention.


86 posted on 02/21/2010 3:53:39 PM PST by samtheman
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To: philman_36

That’s not the same video. He was giving a press conference and I thought he was talking to a female reporter (you can’t see the reporter).


87 posted on 02/21/2010 3:54:09 PM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

CV Vet,
I hear ya!

Time to cast aside all the past “R”s who were part of this growing mess we have now.

I want a real revolution in the conservative movement, and don’t want anyone influencing of having any “leadership” position that was part of the ‘ruling establishment’ in Washington these past 20 years. Especially the last administration.

I want NEW FACES with NEW and BOLD IDEAS, who have been out front TELLING IT LIKE IT IS and that have ACTUALLY DONE SOMETHING - they have WALKED THE WALK!

PALIN, RUBIO, DEMINT. - There’s three right there.


88 posted on 02/21/2010 3:56:49 PM PST by LibFreeUSA (Show me what Obama brought that was new and there you will find things only blind and destructive.)
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To: samtheman
Bush wasn't a RINO. He was a mostly conservative, but not fiscally, Republican.

RINO's don't pick judges like Roberts and Alito. RINO's aren't unwaveringly pro-life. RINO's aren't absolute tax cutters. RINO's don't stand against Kyoto, the World Court and the UN. RINO's don't stand alone (even against their own party) to fight and win the war against terrorists.

There's a big difference between Bush and McCain, IMO. Bush cared what was best for the country. McCain cares what's best for McCain. Bush wanted to work with Democrats. McCain wants to BE a Democrat.

I know others will disagree, but doing some things I don't agree with doesn't make a regular, sometimes conservative Republican a RINO.

And as long as Beck keeps putting his little magnet picture of Bush on the same side as traitors and Marxists, he can't 'see' anything.

89 posted on 02/21/2010 3:57:33 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: philman_36

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2010/02/19/cpac-breitbart-calls-ny-times-reporter-who-alleged-racism-cpac-despicable


90 posted on 02/21/2010 4:00:25 PM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: ohioWfan

I have to admit, ohioWfan, you make good points. Darn good points. The next time I watch Beck I’ll keep your points in mind.


91 posted on 02/21/2010 4:00:55 PM PST by samtheman
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To: LibFreeUSA
Where were all the GOP leaders during the BUSH drive to break the budget spending records? - Where was Cheney?

Yes, too many in the GOP, including at least some of the leadership, were THEN part of the problem and deserve blame. However there were some people in Congress, outnumbered, trying to hold down spending. I don't recall many of them being on the Rat side of the aisle. For example remember the legislative history of TARP, McCain's Hari-Kari moment. The House, behind vocal efforts by GOP conservatives, initially blocked it. Most of the RAT nays wanted something even worse. McCain and Obama next pushed it through the Senate. Then 26 more GOP arms were twisted in pushing it through the House, with still the majority of the GOP opposed

Blaming all of the THEN GOP for the actions of many of the GOP is wrong and dangerous to our cause. The GOP lost a lot of seats in '06 and '08. Many of the biggest GOP spenders were removed, so their share of the blame shouldn't still fall on those who remain. Alas their RAT replacements have been as bad or worse. Concentrate your efforts where blame remains rather than being proudly "mad as h*ll" while throwing in a bunch of new bums. We don't need screaming fools metaphorically shooting randomly on full auto; we have a target rich environment for snipers who can tell a donkey or a RINO from an elephant.

We must also consider that some of the spending binge was extortion money passed to keep the Democrats from further screwing with the war effort. That certainly doesn't excuse every budget busting GOP vote, but had the opposition party been loyal to the country some in the GOP wouldn't have sacrificed the budget for permission to defend the country. Blame the Rats for forcing those hands and blame Bush for not providing any support to fight it.

92 posted on 02/21/2010 4:02:22 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: Russ

The RINOs. Starting with McLame.


93 posted on 02/21/2010 4:03:59 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("The people will believe what the media tells them they believe." Orwell)
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To: TruthHound
Lighten up, GB. If not for the Repubs, we'd be wallowing in Socialized Medicine, Card Check and Cap & Tax and unemployment would be double what it is right now.

Now YOU listen up.
That is only true for the last year at best. What were the Republicans doing the previous 8 years?

Why, contributing to the enormous problem directly or by acquiesence. Most of it was deemed "bipartisanship." Being girly-men and not wanting to be labeled the party of "no."

Often, "Hell NO!" is the proper answer. Better late than never.

94 posted on 02/21/2010 4:04:30 PM PST by Publius6961 (You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do)
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To: samtheman

I’ll agree with you on the Bennett comment.


95 posted on 02/21/2010 4:04:42 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("The people will believe what the media tells them they believe." Orwell)
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To: ohioWfan

I agree. To paint Bush with the RINO label is absurd. But I am somewhat sympathetic with Beck’s characterization of his economic policies as “progressive” (although Beck probably doesn’t make the distinction I do). I have heard him praise Bush regarding the War on Terror and particulary the surge.

He was very hard on Bush’s Iraq policies prior to the surge, particularly regarding Fallujah.


96 posted on 02/21/2010 4:05:53 PM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: streetpreacher
Here we go...
Breitbart to NY Times Reporter for Alleging Racial Tones at CPAC: 'You’re a Despicable Human Being'
97 posted on 02/21/2010 4:06:34 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: streetpreacher
Originator...
At CPAC, Breitbart Calls NY Times Reporter who Alleged Racism 'Despicable'
98 posted on 02/21/2010 4:09:48 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: TruthHound
The first task of a serious political analyst is to see things as they are.

Damn straight, Bill.

Who gave us expanded coverage for prescription medicines? Who gave us 3 trillion dollar budgets? Who gave us expanded government involvement in education? Who gave us trillion dollar bank bailouts?

Hint: It would be the Party that is "different" from the DemocRAT Party.

99 posted on 02/21/2010 4:10:08 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Hodar

Oh Beck is so smart. Yes. The parties are both bad, the Democrats are just a little worse. Let’s join the 9/12 project and buy a Beck book. Then we will support Mr. Smith. He’s the third party candidate we need to show those mean folks in Washington! The third party will be up and running in a couple of months, just in time for a landslide against both of those evil Democrats AND Republicans. They are all bad and part of the problem don’t you know.

If that’s our plan, I’m moving to Singapore.


100 posted on 02/21/2010 4:12:06 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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