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Saturday Night Beck (Bennett's Beefs with Beck's Bloviations)
National Review Online ^ | Sunday, February 21, 2010 | Bill Bennett

Posted on 02/21/2010 2:10:47 PM PST by TruthHound

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This is the most common thing I shout back at Glenn Beck on my TV. While Republicans have some penance due, this constant drumming of "there Republicans are JUST AS BAD as the Democrats is a steaming pile.

Lighten up, GB. If not for the Repubs, we'd be wallowing in Socialized Medicine, Card Check and Cap & Tax and unemployment would be double what it is right now.

1 posted on 02/21/2010 2:10:47 PM PST by TruthHound
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To: TruthHound

Quite frankly Im getting kind a tired of all in fighting. I could say a couple of things on Bennet that I do not approve on but what does that get us. NOWHERE. Stop it and focus on the big picture. Geez


2 posted on 02/21/2010 2:15:33 PM PST by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: TruthHound

Beck’s a pompous self-important boob, who only recently discovered the Constitution — not exactly some constitutional historian/wonk.

Prior to 2008ish, he was your run of the mill, middle of the road conservative talker with a low rated CNN show.


3 posted on 02/21/2010 2:16:17 PM PST by nhwingut (Palin/Bachmann '12)
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To: TruthHound

How about at least a strongly-worded public renunciation by the GOP of neoconnery?


4 posted on 02/21/2010 2:18:15 PM PST by ruination
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To: TruthHound

Where were all the GOP leaders during the BUSH drive to break the budget spending records? - Where was Cheney?

BECK’s right.

ZERO didnt neet a ‘birth certificate’ - not when the GOP gave ‘birth’ to his candidacy with their reckless spending, head-in-the-sand management of the economy, and mismanagement of the iraq war.


5 posted on 02/21/2010 2:18:34 PM PST by LibFreeUSA (Show me what Obama brought that was new and there you will find things only blind and destructive.)
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To: TruthHound

“there Republicans are JUST AS BAD as the Democrats is a steaming pile”

Give me the names of the horrible, evil Repblican counterpoints to Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Dodd, Frank, Dean, Rangell, Emanuel & Franken?

Actually, just give me 3 Republicans that would be the mirror image of these Democrats.


6 posted on 02/21/2010 2:19:02 PM PST by incredulous joe ("Peace begins with a smile." ~ Mother Teresa)
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To: TruthHound

and Bill “the Gambler” Bennett has been just great for conservatism and the GOP hasn’t he?


7 posted on 02/21/2010 2:21:13 PM PST by turducken
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To: TruthHound

The problem is that if we listen to Bennett then on the flip side of the next election 50% of all Republicans will slip-slide into their comfortable old BIPARTISAN shoes and lounge around “across the aisle” with their good friends and buds in the Other Spending Party and forget about the people shipping all those trillions of dollars up to their little gaming tables.

No. Sorry. Beck is right. We need a purging of the soul in the Republican ranks.

I only need say 3 words to prove my point:

President George Bush.


8 posted on 02/21/2010 2:21:19 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Utah Binger; JustPiper; CondoleezzaProtege

LOL, have these people been lurking on FR????


9 posted on 02/21/2010 2:22:19 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: TruthHound
Really?

Then pray tell, what did the Republitards do to reign in the profligate spending when they controlled both houses?

Can you name me 5 who do not accept Pork and Earmarks?

Also, please show me ONE, just ONE, Pube with a backbone (or better yet, a "PAIR") who has gone public with attacking all of Dear Leader's (not to mention Dingy Harry's and San Fran Nan's)agenda as well as his Fascist usurpation of power all the while ignoring the Constitution?

I'm a 66 year old Nam Vet who started off as a Demo-Rat, smartened up (I thought) and switched parties, that is until the party (under another famous RINO (there are many) Ford, refused to uphold his sworn oath and rolled over when Congress cut off aid to South Vietnam and left that country (and many acquaintances and friends) to fend for themselves and certain prison, torture and death.

That's when I knew the Republican party had left me and there was not a dime's worth of difference between the 2 and I became and Independent Conservative.

As an aside, what to hell do all you Beck Bashers think the Tea Party is all about?

Just because he calls them like he sees them, y'all should not get your knickers in a bunch and let your wittle feelings get hurt.

Until such time as we find some leadership and spine in the R Party, I will continue to be an Independent and support similar conservatives as I have done for the past (almost) 40 years.

Like him or hate him, Beck has done more to energize the Conservative movement than almost anyone, other that Rush and Rush, being more PC than Beck, has been reluctant to take on the Pubes and used to drive me crazy when he gave Mr. SUPER RINO and "Compassionate Conservative" George W Bush a pass.

10 posted on 02/21/2010 2:26:01 PM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: ruination

“renunciation...of neoconnery” ??? What do you have against aging Scottish actors?

Sheesh!

But, it’s still time to take back the country. Pointing the pubbies to the light of conservatism is a good place to start.


11 posted on 02/21/2010 2:28:12 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: PubliusMM

seanconnery, yes. neoconnery, no.


12 posted on 02/21/2010 2:30:38 PM PST by ruination
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
Bill Bennett is a Cocktail-Circuit RINO who schmoozes with all the lefty MSM 'intelligentsia'.

I stopped caring a long time ago what Bill Bennett had to say after he started being an Obama Cheerleader.



"Conservative talk-show host and CNN contributor Bill Bennett said he understands why the Obama campaign is upset with the cover. "The New Yorker blew this," he said. "It has a distinguished history and great writing. I read The New Yorker occasionally. But it was tasteless and stupid. The intellectuals missed it ... and it backfired on them. If I were the Obama campaign, I would be furious at these people."
13 posted on 02/21/2010 2:33:38 PM PST by WaterBoard
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

See the thing is that there are people on both sides of the aisle who like the Nancy Pelosi style of housecleaning. Some only want to get rid of red dirt and some only want to get rid of blue dirt.

As far as I’m concerned, dirt is dirt and here’s to hoping these people have good reason to keep whining about Beck. If they ever find reason to stop crying, we’ll have achieved good governance.


14 posted on 02/21/2010 2:33:56 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin!)
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To: samtheman

Everyone in this forum has been waiting for one of the idiots from Maine to break with the party and vote for Obamacare. Specter was constantly fighting the Republican party on issues, but now that he has found his home in the Democrat party, has anyone heard him stand up to them? No he votes in lock step. Clearly he should have been there all along. Beck is right, we allow the Democrats to frame the argument. It is time we get political representatives that argue the issues rather than how much they agree with the Dems.


15 posted on 02/21/2010 2:33:59 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: TruthHound
Why don't all of these pundits put their hat in the political ring?
From Beck, to Hannity, to Rush, to Coulter, to O'Reilly, to too many names to list, none of them run for public office. And that's not even mentioning the left. Where's Maddow or Olbermann on the political ticket?
If their real desire was to get America back on track, or of the track if the shoe fits, then wouldn't they get that job done more easily as an elected official?
So what is their real desire? Money? (got that) Fame? (got that too) A conservative America? (it's what they say, not what they do) The continuation of inept government ensuring their jobs as pundits? (Hmmmmmmm)
If they're all sooooo smart then let them run for office and fix things to their liking.
Or is sniping from the sidelines all these "oh so smart" 'journalists' and 'reporters' capable of doing?
(Oh, that's right, they're 'pitch men' or 'idea men'...you get the idea?)
16 posted on 02/21/2010 2:34:22 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: TruthHound

Well, it’s somewhere in between these two positions, isn’t it. The Republicans are not quite as bad as the Democrats, but they have lost their way and don’t seem to know which end is up any more.

The Democrats are screwing up big time, and are likely to lose big time at the polls next fall. But who will replace them? A bunch of me-too RINOs like the ones who brought the party into disrepute and paved the way for Obama?

Who does Bill Bennett think will save us? Mitt Romney?

We need RINOs in some of the liberal states, like Collins and Snowe. We can deal with them, as long as we have strong leadership that will keep them in line. But we don’t need RINOs in conservative states. Yet the leadership keeps promoting more and more of them.

It’s not enough to go back to business as usual. After a century of moving steadily leftward and accumulating power in Washington, we need to reverse that process. And we’re not going to do that without genuinely new and strong leadership.

I agree that Beck sometimes goes over the top. But we don’t need Bill Bennett running things, either.


17 posted on 02/21/2010 2:35:02 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: altura; onyx; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; ...
"The first task of a serious political analyst is to see things as they are. There is a difference between morning and night. There is a difference between drunk and sober. And there is a difference between the Republican and Democratic parties. To ignore these differences, or propagate the myth that they don’t exist, is not only discouraging, it is dangerous."

HEAR, HEAR !!!

18 posted on 02/21/2010 2:35:34 PM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: TruthHound

To a large extent, Beck is correct.
Several generations since FDR, including Republicans, have had the idea imprinted on their synapses that it’s the Government’s function to direct society and “solve problems”- a far cry from the founders’ original design


19 posted on 02/21/2010 2:35:39 PM PST by Carl LaFong (Experts say experts should be ignored.)
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To: PubliusMM

Pointing the pubbies to the light of conservatism is a good place to start.<<

The Republican party has to be reformed, The dems have to be soundly defeated and removed. A third party is suicide!
Infighting is unproductive!


20 posted on 02/21/2010 2:38:35 PM PST by timetostand (Ya say ya wanna revolution -- OK!)
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To: incredulous joe

John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Olympia Snowe, George Voinovich, Susan Collins...and so on.


21 posted on 02/21/2010 2:39:08 PM PST by Kimberly GG (PALIN SUPPORTS PATH TO CITIZENSHIP AMNESTY and PROGRESSIVE RHINO MCCAIN.)
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To: philman_36

“Why don’t all of these pundits put their hat in the political ring?”

How many professional “pundits” have gone from punditry to a career in politics? Isn’t it usually the opposite track?

Pundits do not get elected...they can’t shake the talking head image. The reason I hated to see Sarah Palin go to Fox.

And no, Reagan doesn’t count. He was not a pundit, but a business spokesperson who became involved in Demoncrat politics before he became politically savvy and came over to the light.


22 posted on 02/21/2010 2:40:10 PM PST by jessduntno (Bawney Fwank...with friends like him, who needs enemas?)
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To: TruthHound
I reproduce here my reaction to Levin's criticism of Beck which is on the same subject:

I make three observations from Mark Levin's remarks:

First, he is absolutely right about the danger to the conservative movement presented by the tendency to veer away to form a splinter party and Levin is absolutely correct in indicting Glenn Beck for this very dangerous deviancy.

Second, Glenn Beck is an extraordinary talent but one which is very much the product of his experience as well as of his very lively intellect. I believe the Glenn Beck is, in addition to being a recovering alcoholic who may or may not be on a dry drunk, a self-acknowledged bipolar personality. For someone uninformed about these diseases as Mr. Levin's remark about Beck wearing his alcoholism on his sleeve reveals Levin to be, Mark ought to understand that this does not impair the man's intellect and does not diminish the quality of his work or the shine of his talent, it merely puts a potential cloud over the horizon of Glenn Beck's future. What Mark Levin ought to understand from Beck's history is not the importance of the recitals of his bad behavior which Levin apparently finds offputting, but the significance of his recovery which came about by way of an epiphany. The power of epiphany has been well documented since the time of Saul of Tarsus through the experience both of John McCain and George Bush. To understand the man without understanding the effects of that experience, is to comprehend but a part of the person. You cannot understand George Bush, as the Democrats never could understand George Bush, without knowing that he was living out the epiphany he experienced with Billy Graham.

Third, it ill becomes Mark Levin to comment on Beck's histrionics in view of the inexcusable behavior of Mark Levin toward his callers which diminishes him and compromises every intellectual pretension as well as the genuine moments of tender humility which Levin is capable of revealing. Levin is quite correct to challenge Beck's incoherence and his illogic in attacking Republicans when he equates them with Democrats. I echo that sentiment as I watched Glenn Beck's speech at CPAC which I thought was rambling and incoherent but powerful because of its passion and honesty. Here are three posts about Glenn Beck going back to September 2009: I had never heard of Glenn back until after the election yet he is closest to my views of any radio talk jock today. More than any other radio personality, even including Dennis Prager, Beck thinks thematically rather than episodically, that is, reacting to events. He clearly sees the threat to the nation and pulls together the threads to explain the motivation and methods of the Obama administration. He explores in depth, for example, the relationship between Obama and Acorn and the influence of George Soros and the implications for American liberty and does so in a way that makes the whole pattern plain and understandable.

For those of us who have been calling Obama a Manchurian Marxist since before the election, all of this is very gratifying. That is not to say that Limbaugh is not brilliant at skewering Obama. Hannity is a great chronicaler of the sins of the administration. Levin also operates thematically and is implacable devoted to liberty and reacts with repugnance to stateism, but he vitiates his credibility with pointless and excessive humiliation of his callers.

On first impression one would not detect that Glenn Beck has a extremely facile mind. He is probably as bright as Levin and carries a great deal of charisma and an unassuming boy next-door kind of likability. In my judgment, Glenn Beck's greatest liability is what I detect to be a tendency towards bipolar excess. A recovering alcoholic, he might be what they describe as on a "dry drunk." This has nothing whatever to do with the quality of this analysis but it does have to do with his emotional stability. I hope and trust that he can `maintain a true course because he represents a very valuable voice for conservatism/libertarianism.

More, he puts together the whole package and illustrates the very real multifaceted threat to our liberties presented by the Manchurian Marxist.

I do take issue with Beck on his persistent and unnecessary lashing out against Republicans when he equates them with Democrats. No one should ask me to take a back seat in the game of criticizing the Republicans including George Bush. I have my posts which I can produce showing that I predicted the defeat in 2006 because the Republicans departed from conservative values. I took a lot of flack for predicting the defeats in 2006 and 2008. For a long time my favorite slap at the Republicans was, "the only thing we learned from the election of 2008 is that we have learned nothing from the election of 2006." I think the party has since learned much of the lesson, although that is not to predict that they will hold fast to their rediscovered truths. But as flawed as the Republicans are, they are infinitely preferable to the modern Democrat party which is infected with a virus of stateism to a degree that it constitutes a real and mortal threat to our constitutional republic.

I part with Beck because he engages in moral relativism when it comes to equating Republicans and their declensions with the truly dangerous threat presented by Democrats. It tells me that Beck misunderstands the nature of the electoral system in America when he tells his listeners to vote for independents. America operates on a two-party system and any deviation from that convention will bring electoral woe to the deviant. I consider that this foolishness is the result of a bent toward libertarianism. The point is not to have fidelity to a business called the Republican Party, the point is that conservatism needs a vehicle to wield political power and there is no viable option exists except the Republican Party which conservatism can exploit to save the Republic.

Otherwise Beck is a great talent and very, very sound.

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I think that he has "tendency" toward a bipolar personality.

Do you recall that he has more than once told the story of firing a man because he brought him the wrong pen. He uses the story to illustrate the kind of person he was. By his own admission he was a man haunted by aberrant behavior.

He has had a spiritual epiphany. So did George Bush and, although George Bush certainly is not bipolar and certainly never took a drink while he was in the White House, there is an obvious parallel to observe. I think Glenn Beck resembles George Bush in the respect that he was saved from himself by his epiphany. Both men claim that to be the case.

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He has a disturbing tendency to finish other people sentences and interrupt them before they've completed their statement which is often a reply to a question he had asked. I think that is because he is as you have described him, going off in a wholly new direction and assumes that others have intuited the rest of his guest's answer to his question as he has.

I think your insight about his commitment, literally a life and death commitment for him, to serving the truth is key. That means that his motives are pure, his heart is white. However, it may also indicate an impatience with others who disagree with him who are also possessed of white hearts. And, if he does not have a spiritual or psychological mentor at his side, his vision of the truth can easily be distorted into a kind of megalomania. I think that is why he has that psychologist on his show so often and why I intuited that the man is probably treating him or mentoring him somehow.

So we are dealing here with glimpses of genius and a potential for disaster. Incidentally, most of the objections to Winston Churchill could be framed in the same kind of language. Even after the war his professional military men would say things to this effect , he had a dozen ideas every day and one of them would be good, my job was to prevent the other 11."

I believe Glenn Beck when he says that he is marching to a different drummer. I think you have identified the music. He is not after ratings, he is not after money, he is not really after adulation, he is on a crusade. He has had a spiritual epiphany.


23 posted on 02/21/2010 2:41:10 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: TruthHound
"Third, to admit it is still “morning in America” but a “vomiting for four hours” kind of morning is to diminish, discourage, and disparage all the work of the conservative, Republican, and independent resistance of the past year. The Tea Partiers know better than this. I don’t think they would describe their rallies and resistance as a bilious purging but, rather, as a very positive democratic reaction aimed at correcting the wrongs of the current political leadership. The mainstream media may describe their reactions as an unhealthy expurgation. I do not.

No Bill you are wrong...

He was not speaking of the Tea Parties and our efforts. He was speaking of the State of the Republic, It's direction and Progressivism on Steriods amongst other things.

If you can't see that, it is time to retire to North Carolina....Good Grief....

24 posted on 02/21/2010 2:41:24 PM PST by taildragger (Palin/Mulally 2012)
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To: TruthHound

Thank you for posting this. I agree with you.

Although Beck has some good educational value especially for the young ones, the question is where do those young ones end up when you bash EVERYTHING equally?

He is playing a dangerous shortsighted game IMO.


25 posted on 02/21/2010 2:41:48 PM PST by parisa
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To: TruthHound

You haven’t considered the fact that Glenn may be right.

Consider, 85% of the people are happy with their current medical coverage. The polls HEAVILY suggest that people want Congress to leave Healtcare alone.

So, what do our inspired members of the RNC do? Do they echo what the peole say (Hell no!!), ... nope. Why they come up with their own Healtcare plan. Are the deaf? Are they retarded? Apparently so.

The Democrats want you to eat a sh*t sandwich, and the American people rebel ... but never fear, the Republicans will fix you one on Rye. The answer is obvious, but it does not match the plan the RNC and the DNC are both working towards. The most elementry idiot can tell you he does not want a sh*t sandwhich at all. But if we won’t eat the one prepared by the DNC, the RNC has one that we will be forced to eat.

The RNC knows this, even their children could tell them this - but the RNC has the same plan as the DNC - the plan is the SAME, but their approach is different. The DNC is charging to bring Marxism to us this year; while the RNC is working to bring it to us more slowly.

The bottom line, both parties are moving in the same direction.


26 posted on 02/21/2010 2:42:24 PM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: samtheman
Yes indeed. Purge the ranks of Roberts and Alito. That's the trick!

Purge the ranks of tax cuts, strong national defense, and a strong pro-life stance.

You've certainly got our problems solved, sam! /SARcasm!!

27 posted on 02/21/2010 2:43:23 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: TruthHound
Glen Beck vs Bill Bennett is a pretty unlikely contest. Beck may have a wacky streak, but at least he is in the arena, getting grimy and working up a sweat. What has Bennett done the last year besides his dancing bear act with Donna Brazile on CNN and going on cruises with people in his audience?
28 posted on 02/21/2010 2:45:05 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: ohioWfan

You’re inferring a lot from my words. And what you infer is all wrong. I strongly supported the nominations of both Roberts and Alito and my support for them does not mean we can’t look back and say “the Bush spending spree was a mistake”.

I can. And I do.

And, for the record, I’m not trying to fight with you or anyone else here. I think this is a good discussion that’s going on in this thread.


29 posted on 02/21/2010 2:46:24 PM PST by samtheman
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To: STARWISE
I'll second that HEAR, HEAR!!! STARWISE.

When Beck says there is NO difference between the parties, he is lying every bit as much as leftists do about Republicans. It is one thing to say the Republican party needs to be shaken up and reformed, it's quite another to push the outrageous idea that they are the same as Dems.

Good to see Bennett and Levin correct Beck. He's a novice and not nearly as educated as either of them, and frankly, he's clueless when he shouts the "NO difference" tripe.

I watched him and listened to him faithfully when he was outting the traitors in the White House and in ACORN.

Now, even when I try, I turn him off within minutes.

He's gone off the proverbial deep end, and is aiming at the wrong side.

30 posted on 02/21/2010 2:48:57 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: nhwingut
"Beck’s a pompous self-important boob"

I somewhat agree, and I think his speech at CPAC went astray, but with due regard to Bennett, Beck has done more the last year to excite the conservative movement than all of Bennett's political interviews, 50s rock music and, shout outs to truck drivers for the last three years

My problem woth Beck began with his self serving performance on 9/12, but I wonder if he's responding to prompts from Fox. Thay are in the marketing and entertainment business, first and foremost.

31 posted on 02/21/2010 2:49:47 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: turducken
and Bill “the Gambler” Bennett has been just great for conservatism and the GOP hasn’t he?

Most people have no problem with gambling. Early American lotteries were not uncommon including lotteries to raise funds for the revolutionary war. Washington himself endorsed lotteries. Whether you like it or not, it's in our blood and in our history.

Gambling money you can't afford to or that is needed for necessities may be wrong, but this certainly wasn't the case with Bennett.

Bennett's gambling was made a big deal by anti-freedom, nanny state liberals who were incensed because he was writing about morality.

32 posted on 02/21/2010 2:50:14 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: TruthHound

Just when I was starting to feel good about the country with Scott Brown, Beck’s rain on the parade was unwelcome. Yes, TR was a progressive, Wilson was less than a conservative Democrat. And, McCain would have passed health care by now, 90% of what the Fascicrats wanted, but, that crucial 10% makes the difference. Beck’s party will number in how many can dance on the head of a pinhead.

Lighten up Glenn, know your friends.


33 posted on 02/21/2010 2:50:53 PM PST by depressed in 06 (Tea parties today, Lexington tomorrow.)
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To: samtheman
For a good discussion it's important to state clearly what you mean.

Your initial comment was highly misleading, but frankly all to common from some around here.

I appreciate your clearing up that you really didn't mean we needed to purge the Republican party of pro-life, pro-Constitutionalist judges, pro-tax cutting, pro-national defense Presidents, as well as men and women of integrity.

That's a whole lot different than saying President Bush spent too much money, isn't it?

34 posted on 02/21/2010 2:52:46 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: samtheman

Yes we do need a purging of the Republican party. We do not need a third party as Beck insinuates. (If he’s not insinuating that, then he’s a very poor communicator). The Republican party already has the conservative platform. We just need people with those values and a comittment to the Republican platform. A party is only as good as the people you elect.


35 posted on 02/21/2010 2:58:13 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("The people will believe what the media tells them they believe." Orwell)
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To: nhwingut
Beck’s a pompous self-important boob, who only recently discovered the Constitution — not exactly some constitutional historian/wonk.

Prior to 2008ish, he was your run of the mill, middle of the road conservative talker with a low rated CNN show.

I've been listening too him since 2006 so I know for a fact that you are not telling the truth.

Bennett was a braggard and a blowhard that couldn't control his gambling habit so he had to turn down the VP nomination from Dole. Like Kemp and the "Empower America" crowd, he favored low taxes without cutting spending. I can see why Beck's analysis rubbed him the wrong way.

36 posted on 02/21/2010 2:58:17 PM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: TruthHound

I think Beck is simply employing the Tough Love Strategy. So what if the Republicans only drink 5 martinis while the Democrats drink 8?? Whoohoo. The Republicans need to sober up, admit they have a problem, and begin restoration of dignity, honor, and self-sacrifice. Hiding behind the 8-martini limit to excuse their own excesses is the path a denying fool takes.


37 posted on 02/21/2010 2:58:42 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness
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To: ohioWfan

What are you looking for, ohioWfan? An apology from me for you misunderstanding what I said?

I said what I said, you misinterpreted it, I cleared up your misunderstanding and then you’re asking me if I’ve seen the error of my ways? Who’s on the redemption kick now, hey? It’s not me. It might be Glenn Beck. And it might be you. But it’s not me.

Anyway, I’ll say what I originally said before you threw in curve balls about Alito and Roberts:

The Republican Party has a very evil and stupid tendency to try to “get along to go along”. They suffer from a near terminal case of “bipartisanship”. McCain is one of the worst examples, but the Party is much bigger than John McCain and shares many of his faults. Who refused to veto McCain-Feingold? Any idea?

But whatever. I’m not trying to muckrake all the details of the past, just defend Beck in his assertion that BOTH parties are to blame for the current miserable state of our country and that it is We The People who must stand up and whip the Republicans into shape (because, obviously, the Democrats are the Enemy and beyond hope).


38 posted on 02/21/2010 2:59:30 PM PST by samtheman
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To: TruthHound; LibFreeUSA; samtheman; Conservative Vermont Vet; All

DECEPTION AS A PRINCIPLE OF GOVERANCE (and, too frequently here at FR, as a principle of argument/debate):
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/deception_as_a_principle_of_go.html


39 posted on 02/21/2010 3:00:12 PM PST by DrDeb
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To: TruthHound

I more or less agree with Bennett. Life is better under the lesser of evils than of the worst of them.

Ann Coulter says “There are a lot of bad Republicans, but there are no good Democrats.” That sums up my view pretty well, with the exception of Zell Miller.


40 posted on 02/21/2010 3:00:19 PM PST by freespirited (We're not the Party of No. We're the Party of HELL NO!!!)
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To: incredulous joe

Your question was ignored. There is no Republican as bad as the dems you mentioned.


41 posted on 02/21/2010 3:03:40 PM PST by BARLF
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Let’s face it, over the past ten years too many Democrats came over to the Republican party. Unfortunately, they brought their basic ideologies with them.


42 posted on 02/21/2010 3:04:13 PM PST by Enough is ENOUGH (Select conservatives for the coming primaries, now. Vote out the incumbents.)
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To: TruthHound
I think there is a difference when the Republican party sticks to the principles of Reagan and the Contract with America.
The lines get blurred when Republicans go Democrat-lite.
The reason Republicans lost power was they went Democrat-lite and why would they get elected doing that when people could just put a real Demcorat in.

The Republicans need to step it up IMO.
Lately Beck has been asinine in his statements as well. He goes too far calling tea party people extremist and all that. I don't watch him anymore, used to.

43 posted on 02/21/2010 3:05:12 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: TruthHound
This is the most common thing I shout back at Glenn Beck on my TV. While Republicans have some penance due, this constant drumming of "there Republicans are JUST AS BAD as the Democrats is a steaming pile.

Yes, you are correct and Glen Beck isn't the only one pounding this drum. There are a number of others out there as well. Bill O'Reily is one and he' just as bad.

As you said there are some Republicans (RINOS) who are just as bad as the better Democrats but it isn't true in the general case and there are VERY SIGNIFICANT differences in the two parties.

Glen Beck does some good things but I'm not impressed with his intellectual abilities. I'm not sure he's a great spokesman for the Conservative Cause.
44 posted on 02/21/2010 3:05:41 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: philman_36

Beck’s impact is larger than a political office. And I agree with Andrew Breitbart: the largest battlefield and place of impact is within the world of media, not simply winning an election or two.


45 posted on 02/21/2010 3:06:43 PM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: TruthHound
There are many Republicans who are just as bad as the atheistic socialist Democratic Party of America politicians. However, to group them “all” in with this totalitarian administration of authoritarians is wrongheaded, to say the least.

A quick look at these charts show the extremity of this particular administration, and this doesn't even include social issues of their atheism:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2451468/posts

46 posted on 02/21/2010 3:08:20 PM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: samtheman
LOL! That was a very liberal comment.

"I'm sorry you misunderstood what I said."

If that works for you, sam....

What you SAID was that we needed to purge the Repubican party of people like George W. Bush.

That includes Roberts and Alito, and bringing that up is not a "curve ball"......it's a legitimate question based on your own words.

Now I didn't mean to get you into a tizzy, so I'll leave you alone now that you've clarified your overgeneralization.

And Beck doesn't just say that both parties are responsible. He says over and over and over again that there is NO difference between the parties, and that Bush is as bad as Obama.

Not true. Bad journalism.

47 posted on 02/21/2010 3:08:25 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Okay - here is one - Tom Price (R-GA6) went face to face with Obama about healthcare. He even told him to answer the question after Obama tried to talk around it. It was on C-Span. He has been very outspoken against several issues, including the stimulus.

He was also outspoken against, and voted against TARP and other Bush agenda. He is a believer in smaller government.

There have been a few (a very few) who worked hard against the pork under Bush and Obama and I don’t believe we need to throw them all under the bus.


48 posted on 02/21/2010 3:11:26 PM PST by justsaynomore
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To: ohioWfan
Beck did not say that there was NO difference between the parties. Did you listen to the speech? It was a great speech, and everyone focuses on what he said about the Republicans. We need more people like Chris Christie who want to make the tough but needed decisions and less people like John McCain, who would only slow down spending (at best). I vote for republicans, and I will continue to do so, but what we need to do is do is elect conservatives, not RINO's.
49 posted on 02/21/2010 3:14:14 PM PST by fhayek
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To: taildragger

For Bennett to try to identify with the Tea Pary movement is laughable. He is the David Gergen of the Republican establishment and is more at home sipping lattes with Peggy Noonan.


50 posted on 02/21/2010 3:14:35 PM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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