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Unconcealed gun causes stir in Prosser restaurant(WA)
tri-cityherald.com ^ | 21 February, 2010 | Kristin M. Kraemer

Posted on 02/22/2010 6:35:44 AM PST by marktwain

COVINGTON -- Duncan Dohmen wants people to notice the pistol he carries.

He isn't a police officer and tells people that when he's asked. He likes these chances to educate people about a right afforded them 219 years ago -- a right he fears could be stripped.

"Rights not exercised are rights lost," said the 68-year-old resident of Covington in King County. "... I was walking around for 18 years with a pistol secretly concealed and it alarmed nobody. Then I realized that (openly) carrying a pistol might cause questions."

So for the past two years Dohmen has openly worn his Smith & Wesson 1911 model .45-caliber semiautomatic pistol. He's an active member of the Open Carry movement and takes any chance he gets to talk about the right to bear arms under both the U.S. and Washington constitutions.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; freepthispoll; opencarry; poll; wa
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Open carry is as much about educating the public and restoring the Constitution as it is about self defense.
1 posted on 02/22/2010 6:35:45 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Nice little poll there to FReep.....


2 posted on 02/22/2010 6:41:00 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Political Correctness Will Get Us All Killed)
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To: marktwain

Honestly, if a person walks into a store I’m in with a holstered pistol, I feel safer.


3 posted on 02/22/2010 6:41:40 AM PST by GoDuke
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To: marktwain; All
Open carry is as much about educating the public and restoring the Constitution as it is about self defense.

Indeed it is! I OC here in PA because we have a lot of NY/NJ transplants who bring their mistaken notions of guns with them.

I mght add one opinion of mine.....if one if going to OC and they are able to......do it with a 1911 versus say a Glock. 1911's have a classy, (relatively) non-threatening look about them. I OC carry in many places and have never been questioned.....however, almost every story I have read about people being questioned, black Glocks were on the hip. Just an observation.
4 posted on 02/22/2010 6:41:47 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: marktwain

Open carry should not bother anyone, in my opinion. It’s the ugly dudes lurking in the shadows that should be of concern.


5 posted on 02/22/2010 6:42:48 AM PST by b cool
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To: marktwain

“Open carry is as much about educating the public and restoring the Constitution as it is about self defense.”

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Indeed.

Wasn’t that the idea when that guy showed up at a Tea Party gathering with an “assault weapon”?

The ignorant pussies in the elite media wet themselves completely through, at the open display of a Constitutional right.


6 posted on 02/22/2010 6:43:15 AM PST by EyeGuy
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To: marktwain
A false accusation lead to this man's arrest, if you read the whole story. I wonder what the manager’s motivation was. You have to read the entire story to determine that the open carrier was falsely accused.
7 posted on 02/22/2010 6:43:26 AM PST by marktwain
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To: GoDuke

I was with my lib-in-law in a store out in the middle of Ks when she nervously pointed out a man with a revolver strapped on.

I said, well, at least we don’t have to worry about the store being robbed while we’re here.

(Honestly, if the guy with the revolver were intent on something nefarious, he would have hidden the gun until the opportune moment.)


8 posted on 02/22/2010 6:45:38 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: marktwain

I like both open and concealed carry. It keeps the scumbags guessin.


9 posted on 02/22/2010 6:46:10 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin!)
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To: marktwain
He likes these chances to educate people about a right afforded them 219 years ago

He needs to start with himself, but I applaud his efforts.

10 posted on 02/22/2010 6:52:11 AM PST by doodad
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To: marktwain

The Open carrier was at fault for not buying a $20 tape recorder. Hell an Ipod can do that for you these days!


11 posted on 02/22/2010 6:52:24 AM PST by GreaterSwiss
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To: marktwain

“...unlawful carrying or displaying of a firearm “in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.””
What a vague, BS law. Totally subjective as it is based on feelings, not facts.
The only reason this guy is being charged is because he was hauled out of his car at gunpoint and cuffed.


12 posted on 02/22/2010 6:54:20 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: marktwain

Nice to know that not everyone in King County is an anti-gun weenie.

Sounds to me like that manager in the McD’s in Prosser certain IS.

My sister resides in Benton County. Both she and he hubby have guns, although I don’t know if either of them have a CCW. I’ll have to email her and ask.


13 posted on 02/22/2010 6:56:50 AM PST by hoagy62 (.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
“do it with a 1911 versus say a Glock. 1911’s have a classy, (relatively) non-threatening look about them. I OC carry in many places and have never been questioned.....however, almost every story I have read about people being questioned, black Glocks were on the hip. Just an observation.”

The open carrier in this case carried a 1911 pistol.

14 posted on 02/22/2010 7:00:40 AM PST by marktwain
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To: GoDuke
Honestly, if a person walks into a store I’m in with a holstered pistol, I feel safer.

Yeah, plus many of them are really nice to talk to. Especially when you ask what they're carrying.

15 posted on 02/22/2010 7:01:01 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: GreaterSwiss

BS! So everyone who OC’s needs to carry a tape recorder too?

Why not just have them carry a medical kit in case someone is hurt?


16 posted on 02/22/2010 7:01:02 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: marktwain

Yeah, why I brought it up. This is the first time I have seen an OC being an issue with a 1911 and honestly believe it is in the minority.


17 posted on 02/22/2010 7:01:54 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: doodad
“He likes these chances to educate people about a right afforded them 219 years ago

He needs to start with himself, but I applaud his efforts.”

As this was not a quote, I suspect that it is the reporter, not the open carrier, who needs the education.

18 posted on 02/22/2010 7:02:10 AM PST by marktwain
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To: MrB

Exactly. The presence of a holstered weapon makes everyone in the room more polite and respectful.


19 posted on 02/22/2010 7:02:34 AM PST by GoDuke
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To: MrB

And when you said that what did your Lib-In-Law say?


20 posted on 02/22/2010 7:02:54 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine
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To: marktwain

Instead of a 1911 why not go full bore and strap on a .50 caliber Desert Eagle?


21 posted on 02/22/2010 7:05:45 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Of course, being a lib, when faced with logic, she didn’t have an answer.

It’s always been really frustrating when she brings up some easily refuted opinion on an issue. You can logically walk her through from her opinion/position to a conclusion she doesn’t agree with, then she’ll say she didn’t have that opinion to start with.

We’ve given up. Not much real thinking going on there.


22 posted on 02/22/2010 7:06:30 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MrB; All
Just tell her to Google "Brittany Zimmerman"
23 posted on 02/22/2010 7:07:39 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: marktwain

Poll to FReep at source.


24 posted on 02/22/2010 7:11:31 AM PST by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
The only reason this guy is being charged is because he was hauled out of his car at gunpoint and cuffed.

The lie below is the reason he was arrested felony style. It never occurred to the shaved apes that if he was waiting there for them, he probably isn't doing anything wrong. Yes, based on emotion, not facts. Seeing the quote below, I'd like to see a picture of the managaer---just sayin!

According to police reports, the McDonald's manager said that when she asked Dohmen to leave because of his gun, he tapped the holstered pistol and told her, "Bring it bitch."

25 posted on 02/22/2010 7:17:40 AM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: marktwain

It’s good that folks like him are around to exercise their rights. If you don’t exercise them, they’ll be gone. I wish Florida had an open carry law. It would be nice to not have to dress around my pistol. I would also like to carry my Springfield XDM, but it’s too big to conceal easily.


26 posted on 02/22/2010 7:22:26 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: Red in Blue PA

She’s remarkably imune to logic.


27 posted on 02/22/2010 7:30:56 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: hoagy62
...I don’t know if either of them have a CCW. I’ll have to email her and ask.

Don't ask - Don't tell.

28 posted on 02/22/2010 7:33:05 AM PST by Chuckster (Domari nolo!)
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To: mbynack
It would be nice to not have to dress around my pistol.

I would also like to carry my Springfield XDM, but it’s too big to conceal easily.Dress around my pistol,,, so many have said that.

The fact that some states do not have open carry has helped to make for a shortage of .380 ammo and several new models of semi-auto .380s on the market now.

A .380 is not the perfect self defense firearm, but it is better than a 1911 or a 44 mag that is left at home in the gun safe.

Open Carry should not be infringed.

29 posted on 02/22/2010 7:47:17 AM PST by TYVets (Let's Roll!!! The leadership of the GOP has no spine and no guts, but we conservatives do)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Glocks are very, very ugly guns, IMO. I love guns, in part, because many are works of art. The 1911 is a classic design and still looks good after all these years!


30 posted on 02/22/2010 7:58:54 AM PST by Dexter Morgan
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To: Red in Blue PA
Just tell her to Google "Brittany Zimmerman"

But the police did not come for 48 minutes. By that time, Zimmerman was dead. Her fiance found her body.

Wow, when seconds count the police are only 48 minutes away. Very sad story.

31 posted on 02/22/2010 8:25:25 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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To: marktwain

Good point, thanks for that.


32 posted on 02/22/2010 8:30:54 AM PST by doodad
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To: MrB

The Brittany Zimmerman story should hit anyone between the eyes.

If it does not, she is indeed beyond help.


33 posted on 02/22/2010 8:39:01 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Indeed. People assume the police are only 2 to 3 minutes away. But you might be surprised at how many of these long-term (10 minutes of more) happen each year.

48 minutes was indeed an outlier, but even if this happens “only” once every 2 years, God help the people relying on 911.


34 posted on 02/22/2010 8:40:44 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Dexter Morgan

I do not understand the love people have for Glocks, when they could have bought a 1911. Glocks work and are very reliable.....but they are also ugly as hell.....even to Glock fans I have talked to. Personally, I like to take some pride in what I have on my hip.


35 posted on 02/22/2010 8:42:53 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: BerryDingle

I’m withholding judgement here. I know the McDonalds owner and Prosser is a very conservative area. The restaurant and shift managers are just about always reasonable people in the franchise. just waiting to hear more.


36 posted on 02/22/2010 8:43:57 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Indeed. People assume the police are only 2 to 3 minutes away.

Even that can be an eternity, and even more than enough time to be killed or seriously injured.

The right to self defense is inherent, too bad there are so many restricions on the tools to exercise it in this Country.

F'em all

37 posted on 02/22/2010 9:05:52 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Something like 22,000 laws en total. And from all of thethugs who have guns, looks like they are working/sarc


38 posted on 02/22/2010 9:07:36 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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“I’m withholding judgement here. I know the McDonalds owner and Prosser is a very conservative area. The restaurant and shift managers are just about always reasonable people in the franchise. just waiting to hear more.”

Excellent. One of the things I love about Freerepublic, local knowledge. Please report back with your findings when you learn more.

39 posted on 02/22/2010 9:17:26 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

You used to have to show your gun, but people wanted to be able to keep a gun in purse or glove compartment, so when they passed the law that you can conceal a gun, they somehow lost the right to show your gun. You used to see pick up trucks with rifle in back window clearly visible.


40 posted on 02/22/2010 9:26:29 AM PST by buffyt (Global Warming:The Greatest Hoax Since Y2K! PROVEN! Follow the money Coldest winter in 100 years.)
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To: buffyt
The only way that I have found any logic in the anti-gun, anti-freedom types is to assume that they want to ban guns altogether. If you assume this, nearly all of their agenda makes sense.
41 posted on 02/22/2010 9:31:06 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Causes a stir, eh? What did the other customers do? Did they go running to management, saying, “Mommy, Mommy, please get rid of that awful man with that big handgun?”


43 posted on 02/22/2010 9:41:21 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I am Ellie Light.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

No, that was when the police showed up! *sarcasm off*


44 posted on 02/22/2010 9:49:39 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Red in Blue PA

Yep, when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.


45 posted on 02/22/2010 9:50:35 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I am Ellie Light.)
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To: BerryDingle
According to police reports, the McDonald's manager said that when she asked Dohmen to leave because of his gun, he tapped the holstered pistol and told her, "Bring it bitch."

She's probably back in her double-wide or project apartment thinking, "Yeah, I taught that sumbitch a lesson, didn't I?"

46 posted on 02/22/2010 9:52:01 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I am Ellie Light.)
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To: GoDuke; All
Great discussion of the original incident and preparation for the protest at Opencarry at the link below:

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/38256-2.html

Lots of inside information that was not in the article.

47 posted on 02/22/2010 10:00:34 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Yep, when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

In her case, almost an hour.
48 posted on 02/22/2010 10:23:42 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: buffyt; All
You used to see pick up trucks with rifle in back window clearly visible.

Otherwise, known as the Good Old Days with low crime.
49 posted on 02/22/2010 10:25:03 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: MrB

That’s because a majority of liberalism is a genetic defect. There’s something missing. When a conservative engages a liberal in a debate, we are speaking a language they can not understand, talking about concepts that they can not grasp. That’s why I don’t waste my time talking to liberals anymore.


50 posted on 02/22/2010 10:26:23 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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