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Virginia State Delegate: 'I Don't Believe That Disabled Kids Are God's Punishments, Period'
TPM ^ | 2.22.10 | Eric Kleefeld

Posted on 02/22/2010 12:50:25 PM PST by trumandogz

n an interview with TPM, state Del. Bob Marshall (R-VA) disputed the full accuracy and context of a local news article that quoted him as saying that an increase of disabled children was a punishment from nature for abortion.

"I don't believe that disabled kids are God's punishments, period, end of discussion," said Marshall. "I have defended disabled kids. I was almost kicked out of the Republican caucus because I forced a vote on a bill, because autism parents did not get a vote in a subcommittee."

Marshall insisted that his comments had been taken out of context. (Here's the exact quote, which I read to him, and he said sounded accurate: "The number of children who are born subsequent to a first abortion with handicaps has increased dramatically. Why? Because when you abort the first born of any, nature takes its vengeance on the subsequent children.") However, he said, he was discussing an increased rate of birth defects, not all birth defects in and of themselves.

(Excerpt) Read more at tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: abortion; autism; bobmarshall; children; cultureoflife; disability; prolife; tribulations; vageneralassembly

1 posted on 02/22/2010 12:50:25 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

Some clarification on a matter from an earlier thread that was pulled.


2 posted on 02/22/2010 12:51:45 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Corin Stormhands; jla; Flora McDonald; GeorgeW23225; ...

Thanks for posting this response.

(Virginia list- previous thread was pulled)


3 posted on 02/22/2010 12:52:56 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Honk if you love Jesus. Text if you want to meet Him.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

I doubt that the original newspaper would made up a quote mentioning the Old Testament. Would like to see a video of the press conference.

It was a reprehensible quote, and he is right to retract it. I don’t believe him until I see the video.


4 posted on 02/22/2010 12:55:22 PM PST by AlanD
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To: AlanD

That is not a quote one can simply walk away from as he admits he said it in the first place.


5 posted on 02/22/2010 12:58:07 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: AlanD

Since Bob Marshall has been around a heckuva lot longer than you, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

His statement was not a retraction it was a “that’s not what I said.”


6 posted on 02/22/2010 12:58:26 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Honk if you love Jesus. Text if you want to meet Him.)
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To: trumandogz

Conservatives do not believe that any children are punishments.


7 posted on 02/22/2010 12:59:21 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: trumandogz

Sounds like the left MSM sliming someone else.


8 posted on 02/22/2010 1:02:57 PM PST by GeronL (Political Philosophy: I Own Me (yep, boiled down to 6 letters))
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To: trumandogz

Thanks. Misquoted by the press, imagine that.


9 posted on 02/22/2010 1:04:36 PM PST by Liberty1970 (http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lydiablievernicht)
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To: GeronL

Marshall does not deny that he said”

“The number of children who are born subsequent to a first abortion with handicaps has increased dramatically. Why? Because when you abort the first born of any, nature takes its vengeance on the subsequent children.”


11 posted on 02/22/2010 1:06:11 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Corin Stormhands

I knew the press had misquoted Marshall, they always do because he stands up for traditional pro-family & pro-life issues.


12 posted on 02/22/2010 1:06:57 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: Liberty1970

Not even Bob Marshall is claiming that he was misquoted.


14 posted on 02/22/2010 1:07:18 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

Correct, he is not denying that he said that. He’s clarifying that he didn’t say it was “God’s punishment.”

Medically and statistically speaking he is correct about an increased number of complications for women who have had abortions.

But he is not saying that abortions cause all birth defects, or that all women who have had abortions will have complications.


15 posted on 02/22/2010 1:10:36 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Honk if you love Jesus. Text if you want to meet Him.)
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To: trumandogz

I should have chosen a better term. The point is, the way the article portrays him does not accurately reflect his beliefs. It is fair to point out elevated birth defects from a given cause, if true, and make the connection between them. What would be inaccurate is stating that all birth defects are derived from abortion, or that birth defects after an abortion are always punishment, or that all abortions lead to subsequent birth defects. IMHO, the writer of the original article did a poor job in getting Marshall’s meaning straight the first time around.


16 posted on 02/22/2010 1:12:03 PM PST by Liberty1970 (http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lydiablievernicht)
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To: trumandogz

I will not give the media the benefit of the doubt. What was the context?

Was he talking about abortions damaging the womb and causing problems for other pregnancies?


17 posted on 02/22/2010 1:12:59 PM PST by GeronL (Political Philosophy: I Own Me (yep, boiled down to 6 letters))
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To: trumandogz

“Nature takes it’s vengeance” == Scientifically speaking, evidence shows that there is an increased risk of birth defects after an abortion.

It is funny hearing a solidly religious figure using the term “Nature takes it’s vengeance”, which is more usually associated with new-age thinking. But I know Marshall doesn’t believe in some Nature-god who extracts punishment, nor did he use “vengeance” to mean punishment.

But it is a good example of why we on the right should never try to adopt the tactics or language of our opponents, even if we are trying to communicate to them. Because their language doesn’t work, and will just be used to attack us.


18 posted on 02/22/2010 1:15:53 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: All

http://www.newsleader.com/assets/mp3/AA152371222.MP3

This is the audio of his statement. As I suspected, the original quote was completely accurate.

Marshall is now back-pedaling.


19 posted on 02/22/2010 1:22:44 PM PST by AlanD
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To: trumandogz

I agree with Dale Evans. I always have. Raising children with disabilities...entertaining angels unaware. I read this book as a child and it had such a powerful impact on me even as a child.


20 posted on 02/22/2010 1:27:47 PM PST by DallasSun (i believe in separation of church and hate.)
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To: AlanD

Thanks for sharing. The quote does appear to be accurate.

I was hoping they were wrong. I thought Marshall was smarter than that. Worse, it sounds as if he was reading, so it wasn’t a spur of the moment thought.

All that being said, I think it’s mostly unfortunate wording. Marshall is not the monster that the left and the media will portray him to be.


21 posted on 02/22/2010 1:53:23 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Honk if you love Jesus. Text if you want to meet Him.)
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To: trumandogz

Who said they were?


22 posted on 02/22/2010 2:35:25 PM PST by mulligan
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To: trumandogz

A completely reasonable statement.


23 posted on 02/22/2010 2:38:07 PM PST by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: AlanD

“I don’t believe him until I see the video.”

Good of you, old chap. Is that why you just signed up here?

Interesting you should accept the spin of a college newspaper, “the original newspaper,” rather than the record of the elected official in support of the disabled.


24 posted on 02/22/2010 4:34:04 PM PST by EDINVA (Sarchasm (n): The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: EDINVA

http://www.newsleader.com/assets/mp3/AA152371222.MP3

This is the audio of his statement. As I suspected, the original quote was completely accurate.

I look forward to your apology.


25 posted on 02/22/2010 4:37:28 PM PST by AlanD
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To: pnh102

He didn’t say that and you know it.


26 posted on 02/22/2010 9:20:58 PM PST by misterrob (Have you tea bagged a liberal today?)
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To: Corin Stormhands

With Marshall’s statement, the Left will go for a triple play.

1) Demand Palin to make some statement calling out Bob Marhsall. Last night Keith Olbermann sugguested that Trig Palin was the result of an earlier abortion Sarah had. Real classy guy, Keith Oilbermann is.

2) Call McDonnell’s attempts to rebrand the GOP as phony and how McDonnell mindlessly follows Pat Robertson.

3) Portray religious conservatives as kooks.


27 posted on 02/23/2010 6:47:38 PM PST by yongin
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