Skip to comments.White House Sets the Table to Use 'Reconciliation' Rules to Finish Health Care Reform
Posted on 02/22/2010 4:52:25 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
White House officials today publicly made it clear that should Thursdays bipartisan health care reform summit not result in a legislative kumbaya, with Democrats and Republicans setting aside differences to come together on a bipartisan bill, Democrats are likely to pursue a legislative path for finishing up the bill that includes using controversial reconciliation rules in the Senate, requiring a majority vote instead of the 60-vote threshold that has become par for the course.
The president wants and believes the American people deserve an up-or-down vote on health reform, White House communications director Dan Pfeiffer said Monday morning on a conference call, using the language to describe a 51-vote majority vote, instead of the 60-vote threshold to stave off a potential filibuster.
Pfeiffer also acknowledged that the health care reform proposal the White House posted this morning was designed with practicality - not theoretical constructs - in mind. White House officials posted the Senate Democrats bill that passed by a party-line vote on Dec. 24, 2009, and a list of fixes to that bill.
The idea is that the House would pass the Senate bill and the House and Senate would both pass a legislative fix.
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Why should Republicans participate if their votes are not needed? This is a power grab to contol our lives.
What should be so surprising in Obama using the Stupid Party as cover for shoving it through in reconciliation?
Folks, we’re about to witness the final fall of the United States of America, and its capitulation to fascist totalitarian rule.
Don’t kid yourself with any misplaced sense of satisfaction that this will spell electoral doom for the Dems in ‘10 and ‘12. Once it’s done, it’s done. Whatever we “win” in November won’t be enough to undo it, and there won’t be any recognizable scraps of our country left to save by 2012.
1. There is not guarantee that the Senate version of the bill can pass the house.
2. Not all of the Senate bill can be passed as a reconciliation item.
3. The Republicans can use Senate rules to slow down the entire Senate if the Democrats try to pull a fast one.
4. This is a desperation move to pass something this year. When your opponent is desperate, they will make mistakes.
More nails for the DNC coffin please.
Let the elitist ba$$ turds sharpen the knife before putting it to their own throat.
And to think of all the times the Republicans threatened to do this but then backed-off in the interest of civility. Dimwits.
To share the blame via bipartisanship.
WHY, WHY, WHY are the idiotic Republicans going to the summit with the O on Thursday?
So, Pres. Obama, how will the Senate Bill pass the House?
When will true Americans get elected to higher office?
This country is in terrible trouble when we cannot trust anyone elected to higher office. We sure cannot trust what we see and hear on t.v. either. Journalist’s credibility is also gone with the wind.
SET THEIR LOCAL AND DC LINES ON FIRE!
Sen. Scot Brown's number is 202-224-5443
Capitol Hill switchboard is 202-224-3121
Lots of local demwit phone numbers on this thread.
Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke.
Tennessee has joined several other states in trying to pass a Health Care Freedom Act. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Military's secondary health ins. (DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011)
New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake.
Friday, February 19, 2010
Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security
Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan
TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:
This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollees cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.)
Bill Would Restrict Veterans Health Care Options 11/06/09
Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries
Congress plans to block Tricare fee increases
By Rick Maze - Staff writer, Oct 7, 2009
Tricare fee increases imposed last week by the Defense Department will be repealed by a provision of the compromise 2010 defense authorization bill unveiled Wednesday by House and Senate negotiators.
The fee increases were announced on Sept. 30 and took effect on Oct. 1, but the defense bill, HR 2647, includes a provision barring any fee increases until the start of fiscal 2011.
Retired Army Maj. Gen. Bill Matz, president of the National Association for Uniformed Services, said the announcement of fee increases was shocking considering that the Obama administration promised earlier this year to hold off on any new fee Tricare fee increases until fiscal 2011.
President Obama and DoD assured NAUS and the entire military family earlier this year that there would rightly be no increases in any Tricare fees in fiscal 2010, Matz said. We took them at their word, and I cant believe that a co-pay increase like this was allowed to go forward, he added.
Bambi doesn't keep his promises...so buyer beware.
Republicans want to be a part of the Chicago Mafia too. What a bunch of sell outs!
Credibility was gone when they no longer were reporters and they became journalists.
I hope the GOP uses this to gut the federal government after 2012
If the GOP does not show up, then the GOP becomes the issue and the media Meme.
We have nothing to fear on Thursday if we stick to our principles, articulate our beliefs, and not be intimidated by BO.
I want Senator Coburn speaking for us. A physician.
Journalists are now Socialists too!
To be fair, you'd have to go back several generations to find a time when this was not true.
The theory goes that they (the House & the Senate) will pass a Reconciliation Bill first. Then the House will pass the Senate bill. This would work (in theory), so long as the President signs the Senate bill (passed by the House), then the Reconciliation bill (passed by both Houses). The purpose of the Reconciliation Bill is to change everything in the bill the House doesn't like, and that the Senate couldn't get in the first place because of the filibuster.
Of course, this all presupposes that the Senate and House Parliamentarian will play ball, which of course remains to be seen. Also, that presupposes that the House could now get 217 votes to pass the Reconciliation Bill - again, a very big "if". I don't think that they can get it done in the House, not with the loss of Murtha and Wexler.
Come to think of it he'll preen and strut for a couple of hours anyway.
Are Journalists Socialists because it is profitable or because they are so stinking liberal they hate those who are capitalists?
THIS IS ALL A BIG BS BLUFF! THEY DON”T HAVE THE VOTES!
They hope the GOP is stupid enough to compromise on “something” and then they can push this piece of crap through.
This bill will never clear the house!
This charade is the only thing transparent about the whole health insurance deform debacle.
The anointed one needs the pubbies to come to the table so he can tell the American people he tried, and the ‘opposition’ refused to engage.
The pubbies ought to stand their ground. They have the American people behind them on this one. The DhimmiRats don’t need them for anything other than political cover.
If they play into the hand of the pretender, they don’t deserve our support.
These bastards are preening for their base!
The People have had their own vote, and the result was a rather emphatic "NO!"
I think and hope you're right. I don't count the votes in the House, but I don't think that they'd have any problems finding 50 in the Senate to go along.
Limbaugh made a great point on today's show. The Dems have been waiting for this moment for the better part of 70 years. They aren't going to go quietly into the night. Rush seemed to think that they might get something passed, irrespective of the costs to them in the long run. He also said that they already realize that they're losing the House FOR SURE in the fall, and may lose the Senate. So for them, it's now or never.
Am I the only one who thinks this is just a threat? They couldn’t get it done when they had the majority. Why on earth would they be able to get it done now?? More and more Americans are opposed to it. And we’re approaching mid-term elections, where incumbents are thought to be vulnerable.
I say this is a threat. I could very well be wrong but threats seem to be this administration’s MO. All talk, very little action.
There will not be a single vote for BOcare in either the House or Senate.
The real action will be in the House if they go with reconciliation. Reid can assemble 50+Biden to reach 51. The question is whether Pelosi can assemble 217. Most experts say she cannot; I hope they are correct. Much will depend on Stupak and whether he can deliver a dozen or so votes. To this end, Obama was stupid to embrace the Senate language on abortion rather than the House language.
They will be even more dangerous during a lame duck session in November-December b4 the new Congress is seated.
Single GOP vote. Apologies.
The blue dogs are yellow dogs and will do what odumbo tells them. HC will pass!
So: is Hussein bluffing?
Does he REALLY THINK the Demon-rats will take a knife to their OWN THROATS and draw the blade across it?
Alternatively, are the Demon-rats really so stupid as to follow this pied piper down the path of economic and political oblivion?
Jimmy Carter was pretty much rebuffed BY HIS OWN PARTY after about a year and a half in office...the same just might happen to Hussein.
“So, Pres. Obama, how will the Senate Bill pass the House?”
The theory goes that they (the House & the Senate) will pass a Reconciliation Bill first. Then the House will pass the Senate bill. This would work (in theory), so long as the President signs the Senate bill (passed by the House), then the Reconciliation bill (passed by both Houses). The purpose of the Reconciliation Bill is to change everything in the bill the House doesn’t like, and that the Senate couldn’t get in the first place because of the filibuster.
Of course, this all presupposes that the Senate and House Parliamentarian will play ball, which of course remains to be seen. Also, that presupposes that the House could now get 217 votes to pass the Reconciliation Bill - again, a very big “if”. I don’t think that they can get it done in the House, not with the loss of Murtha and Wexler.”
So, the House leadership has to get the votes to pass the Reconciliation bill AND the Senate bill, right?
Anyone want to bet on that? I’ve got $10 that says they won’t.
Yes. Of course, passing the Senate bill in the House would merely become an administrative formality insomuch as the bill that would be the enforceable law would be the Reconciliation Bill.
What's a little confusing, and what I don't completely understand, is what happens to the legislation after five years - which is the maximum allowable lifetime for any reconciliation bill? Does the original Senate bill then become the enforceable law? I haven't seen this talked about, yet.
“So: is Hussein bluffing?
Does he REALLY THINK the Demon-rats will take a knife to their OWN THROATS and draw the blade across it?”
Yes, he really thinks they will pass it. He really is that arrogant/dumb. It’s funny how they merge.
This is a no lose situation for the Republicans. Either they fail to pass it (good) or they succeed and infuriate the US populace. This could take the House gain from 50 to 75 or more. I only hope that they will repeal it after they gain power over the House.
I’m sorry. I shouldn’t. But I hate these people.
The People haven't had their say on that yet.
No one wants it, and many believe that "it can't happen here", but the American people have been pushed to revolution before. They can be again.
The answer is in your question.
The Senate Bill must be passed by the House in full BEFORE reconciliation can take place. Reconciliation (requiring only 51 votes) will then shape the bill to what is acceptable to the house and the president. So the stuff the president wants like price controls will have to be added in reconciliation.
The Republicans should bring the 160 or so amendments that they attempted to get included and then ask the President which of those can we get passed?
Not only does the President not want to start with a blank piece of paper he can’t.