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White House Sets the Table to Use 'Reconciliation' Rules to Finish Health Care Reform
ABC News ^ | Feb. 22, 2010 | Jake Tapper

Posted on 02/22/2010 4:52:25 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

White House officials today publicly made it clear that should Thursday’s bipartisan health care reform summit not result in a legislative kumbaya, with Democrats and Republicans setting aside differences to come together on a bipartisan bill, Democrats are likely to pursue a legislative path for finishing up the bill that includes using controversial “reconciliation” rules in the Senate, requiring a majority vote instead of the 60-vote threshold that has become par for the course.

“The president wants and believes the American people deserve an up-or-down vote on health reform,” White House communications director Dan Pfeiffer said Monday morning on a conference call, using the language to describe a 51-vote majority vote, instead of the 60-vote threshold to stave off a potential filibuster.

Pfeiffer also acknowledged that the health care reform proposal the White House posted this morning was designed with practicality –- not theoretical constructs –- in mind. White House officials posted the Senate Democrats’ bill that passed by a party-line vote on Dec. 24, 2009, and a list of fixes to that bill.

The idea is that the House would pass the Senate bill and the House and Senate would both pass a legislative “fix.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; reid; tapper

1 posted on 02/22/2010 4:52:25 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Why should Republicans participate if their votes are not needed? This is a power grab to contol our lives.


2 posted on 02/22/2010 4:55:08 PM PST by FreedBird (S)
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To: FreedBird

What should be so surprising in Obama using the Stupid Party as cover for shoving it through in reconciliation?


3 posted on 02/22/2010 4:56:33 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Folks, we’re about to witness the final fall of the United States of America, and its capitulation to fascist totalitarian rule.

Don’t kid yourself with any misplaced sense of satisfaction that this will spell electoral doom for the Dems in ‘10 and ‘12. Once it’s done, it’s done. Whatever we “win” in November won’t be enough to undo it, and there won’t be any recognizable scraps of our country left to save by 2012.


4 posted on 02/22/2010 4:57:38 PM PST by Zeddicus
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To: Free ThinkerNY

1. There is not guarantee that the Senate version of the bill can pass the house.

2. Not all of the Senate bill can be passed as a reconciliation item.

3. The Republicans can use Senate rules to slow down the entire Senate if the Democrats try to pull a fast one.

4. This is a desperation move to pass something this year. When your opponent is desperate, they will make mistakes.


5 posted on 02/22/2010 4:57:47 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Democrats are likely to pursue a legislative path for finishing up the bill that includes using controversial “reconciliation” rules in the Senate,

More nails for the DNC coffin please.

Let the elitist ba$$ turds sharpen the knife before putting it to their own throat.

6 posted on 02/22/2010 4:58:05 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

And to think of all the times the Republicans threatened to do this but then backed-off in the interest of civility. Dimwits.


7 posted on 02/22/2010 4:58:14 PM PST by VeniVidiVici ("Bring out yer dead! Bring out your dead!" - Cries of a Navy Corpseman)
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To: FreedBird
Why should Republicans participate if their votes are not needed?

To share the blame via bipartisanship.

8 posted on 02/22/2010 5:00:20 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: VeniVidiVici

WHY, WHY, WHY are the idiotic Republicans going to the summit with the O on Thursday?


9 posted on 02/22/2010 5:01:17 PM PST by wewereright
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So, Pres. Obama, how will the Senate Bill pass the House?


10 posted on 02/22/2010 5:01:28 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (If you meet people with no brain, no heart and no courage, you are not in KS-You are in the Congress)
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To: 9YearLurker

When will true Americans get elected to higher office?
This country is in terrible trouble when we cannot trust anyone elected to higher office. We sure cannot trust what we see and hear on t.v. either. Journalist’s credibility is also gone with the wind.


11 posted on 02/22/2010 5:01:33 PM PST by FreedBird (S)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
OBAMANOMICS--TRICKLE DOWN DESTRUCTION of the economy

SET THEIR LOCAL AND DC LINES ON FIRE!

Sen. Scot Brown's number is 202-224-5443

Capitol Hill switchboard is 202-224-3121

Lots of local demwit phone numbers on this thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2408217/posts

Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke.

Tennessee has joined several other states in trying to pass a Health Care Freedom Act. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Military's secondary health ins. (DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011)

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w/

New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake.

OBAMA’s WAR ON SENIORS

Friday, February 19, 2010

Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security

http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security

Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan

http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html

Socialized Med Thread

TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html

This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.)

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf

http://www.vawatchdog.org/09/hcva09/hcva110609-1.htm

Bill Would Restrict Veterans’ Health Care Options 11/06/09

Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries

Congress plans to block Tricare fee increases
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w

By Rick Maze - Staff writer, Oct 7, 2009

Tricare fee increases imposed last week by the Defense Department will be repealed by a provision of the compromise 2010 defense authorization bill unveiled Wednesday by House and Senate negotiators.

Snip

The fee increases were announced on Sept. 30 and took effect on Oct. 1, but the defense bill, HR 2647, includes a provision barring any fee increases until the start of fiscal 2011.

Snip

Retired Army Maj. Gen. Bill Matz, president of the National Association for Uniformed Services, said the announcement of fee increases was shocking considering that the Obama administration promised earlier this year to hold off on any new fee Tricare fee increases until fiscal 2011.

“President Obama and DoD assured NAUS and the entire military family earlier this year that there would rightly be no increases in any Tricare fees” in fiscal 2010, Matz said. “We took them at their word, and I can’t believe that a co-pay increase like this was allowed to go forward,” he added.

Bambi doesn't keep his promises...so buyer beware.

12 posted on 02/22/2010 5:02:06 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: EGPWS

Republicans want to be a part of the Chicago Mafia too. What a bunch of sell outs!


13 posted on 02/22/2010 5:03:08 PM PST by FreedBird (S)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Freakin’ Nazis.


14 posted on 02/22/2010 5:03:57 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (If the CIA and NASA are going to "monitor climate change", why the hell do we need the EPA?)
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To: FreedBird
Journalist’s credibility is also gone with the wind.

Credibility was gone when they no longer were reporters and they became journalists.

15 posted on 02/22/2010 5:04:34 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: FreedBird

I hope the GOP uses this to gut the federal government after 2012


16 posted on 02/22/2010 5:04:53 PM PST by GeronL (Political Philosophy: I Own Me (yep, boiled down to 6 letters))
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To: Free ThinkerNY
If they somehow manage to ram this monstrosity through, the
Tea Party March on Washington last summer will look like childs play.....
17 posted on 02/22/2010 5:05:33 PM PST by MamaLucci
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To: wewereright

If the GOP does not show up, then the GOP becomes the issue and the media Meme.

We have nothing to fear on Thursday if we stick to our principles, articulate our beliefs, and not be intimidated by BO.

I want Senator Coburn speaking for us. A physician.


18 posted on 02/22/2010 5:05:50 PM PST by mwl8787
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To: EGPWS

Journalists are now Socialists too!


19 posted on 02/22/2010 5:07:03 PM PST by FreedBird (S)
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To: FreedBird
"Journalists are now Socialists too!"

To be fair, you'd have to go back several generations to find a time when this was not true.

20 posted on 02/22/2010 5:09:38 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Liberal Massachussetts says: "FUBO!")
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
"So, Pres. Obama, how will the Senate Bill pass the House?"

The theory goes that they (the House & the Senate) will pass a Reconciliation Bill first. Then the House will pass the Senate bill. This would work (in theory), so long as the President signs the Senate bill (passed by the House), then the Reconciliation bill (passed by both Houses). The purpose of the Reconciliation Bill is to change everything in the bill the House doesn't like, and that the Senate couldn't get in the first place because of the filibuster.

Of course, this all presupposes that the Senate and House Parliamentarian will play ball, which of course remains to be seen. Also, that presupposes that the House could now get 217 votes to pass the Reconciliation Bill - again, a very big "if". I don't think that they can get it done in the House, not with the loss of Murtha and Wexler.

21 posted on 02/22/2010 5:09:51 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: mwl8787
Yeah, they'll show the empty seats and Obama will preen and strut for a couple of hours.

Come to think of it he'll preen and strut for a couple of hours anyway.

22 posted on 02/22/2010 5:11:54 PM PST by AU72
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To: Uncle Miltie

Are Journalists Socialists because it is profitable or because they are so stinking liberal they hate those who are capitalists?


23 posted on 02/22/2010 5:18:21 PM PST by FreedBird (S)
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To: OldDeckHand

THIS IS ALL A BIG BS BLUFF! THEY DON”T HAVE THE VOTES!

They hope the GOP is stupid enough to compromise on “something” and then they can push this piece of crap through.


24 posted on 02/22/2010 5:20:11 PM PST by MrDem (Founder: Democrats for Cheney/Palin 2012)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This bill will never clear the house!


25 posted on 02/22/2010 5:21:15 PM PST by ontap
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This charade is the only thing transparent about the whole health insurance deform debacle.
The anointed one needs the pubbies to come to the table so he can tell the American people he tried, and the ‘opposition’ refused to engage.

The pubbies ought to stand their ground. They have the American people behind them on this one. The DhimmiRats don’t need them for anything other than political cover.

If they play into the hand of the pretender, they don’t deserve our support.


26 posted on 02/22/2010 5:21:52 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

These bastards are preening for their base!


27 posted on 02/22/2010 5:22:08 PM PST by ontap
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To: Free ThinkerNY
“The president wants and believes the American people deserve an up-or-down vote on health reform,”

The People have had their own vote, and the result was a rather emphatic "NO!"

28 posted on 02/22/2010 5:25:27 PM PST by sourcery (Socialism is the idea that the fruits of your labor belong to the State....)
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To: MrDem
'They hope the GOP is stupid enough to compromise on “something” and then they can push this piece of crap through."

I think and hope you're right. I don't count the votes in the House, but I don't think that they'd have any problems finding 50 in the Senate to go along.

Limbaugh made a great point on today's show. The Dems have been waiting for this moment for the better part of 70 years. They aren't going to go quietly into the night. Rush seemed to think that they might get something passed, irrespective of the costs to them in the long run. He also said that they already realize that they're losing the House FOR SURE in the fall, and may lose the Senate. So for them, it's now or never.

29 posted on 02/22/2010 5:27:46 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Am I the only one who thinks this is just a threat? They couldn’t get it done when they had the majority. Why on earth would they be able to get it done now?? More and more Americans are opposed to it. And we’re approaching mid-term elections, where incumbents are thought to be vulnerable.

I say this is a threat. I could very well be wrong but threats seem to be this administration’s MO. All talk, very little action.


30 posted on 02/22/2010 5:30:58 PM PST by TruJess
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To: PubliusMM

There will not be a single vote for BOcare in either the House or Senate.

The real action will be in the House if they go with reconciliation. Reid can assemble 50+Biden to reach 51. The question is whether Pelosi can assemble 217. Most experts say she cannot; I hope they are correct. Much will depend on Stupak and whether he can deliver a dozen or so votes. To this end, Obama was stupid to embrace the Senate language on abortion rather than the House language.


31 posted on 02/22/2010 5:36:22 PM PST by mwl8787
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To: OldDeckHand

They will be even more dangerous during a lame duck session in November-December b4 the new Congress is seated.


32 posted on 02/22/2010 5:39:08 PM PST by mwl8787
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To: mwl8787

Single GOP vote. Apologies.


33 posted on 02/22/2010 5:40:58 PM PST by mwl8787
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To: ontap

The blue dogs are yellow dogs and will do what odumbo tells them. HC will pass!


34 posted on 02/22/2010 5:42:55 PM PST by italianquaker (My bartender knew about the attempted Christmas attack before odumbo)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; All

So: is Hussein bluffing?

Does he REALLY THINK the Demon-rats will take a knife to their OWN THROATS and draw the blade across it?

Alternatively, are the Demon-rats really so stupid as to follow this pied piper down the path of economic and political oblivion?

Jimmy Carter was pretty much rebuffed BY HIS OWN PARTY after about a year and a half in office...the same just might happen to Hussein.


35 posted on 02/22/2010 6:08:24 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: OldDeckHand

“So, Pres. Obama, how will the Senate Bill pass the House?”

The theory goes that they (the House & the Senate) will pass a Reconciliation Bill first. Then the House will pass the Senate bill. This would work (in theory), so long as the President signs the Senate bill (passed by the House), then the Reconciliation bill (passed by both Houses). The purpose of the Reconciliation Bill is to change everything in the bill the House doesn’t like, and that the Senate couldn’t get in the first place because of the filibuster.

Of course, this all presupposes that the Senate and House Parliamentarian will play ball, which of course remains to be seen. Also, that presupposes that the House could now get 217 votes to pass the Reconciliation Bill - again, a very big “if”. I don’t think that they can get it done in the House, not with the loss of Murtha and Wexler.”

So, the House leadership has to get the votes to pass the Reconciliation bill AND the Senate bill, right?

Anyone want to bet on that? I’ve got $10 that says they won’t.


36 posted on 02/22/2010 6:25:09 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (If you meet people with no brain, no heart and no courage, you are not in KS-You are in the Congress)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
"So, the House leadership has to get the votes to pass the Reconciliation bill AND the Senate bill, right?"

Yes. Of course, passing the Senate bill in the House would merely become an administrative formality insomuch as the bill that would be the enforceable law would be the Reconciliation Bill.

What's a little confusing, and what I don't completely understand, is what happens to the legislation after five years - which is the maximum allowable lifetime for any reconciliation bill? Does the original Senate bill then become the enforceable law? I haven't seen this talked about, yet.

37 posted on 02/22/2010 6:32:26 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Recovering_Democrat

“So: is Hussein bluffing?

Does he REALLY THINK the Demon-rats will take a knife to their OWN THROATS and draw the blade across it?”

Yes, he really thinks they will pass it. He really is that arrogant/dumb. It’s funny how they merge.

This is a no lose situation for the Republicans. Either they fail to pass it (good) or they succeed and infuriate the US populace. This could take the House gain from 50 to 75 or more. I only hope that they will repeal it after they gain power over the House.


38 posted on 02/22/2010 6:42:49 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (If you meet people with no brain, no heart and no courage, you are not in KS-You are in the Congress)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’m sorry. I shouldn’t. But I hate these people.


39 posted on 02/22/2010 7:18:20 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Zeddicus
...we’re about to witness the final fall of the United States of America, and its capitulation to fascist totalitarian rule.

The People haven't had their say on that yet.

No one wants it, and many believe that "it can't happen here", but the American people have been pushed to revolution before. They can be again.

40 posted on 02/22/2010 7:35:36 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: wewereright
WHY are the idiotic Republicans going to the summit with the O on Thursday?

The answer is in your question.

41 posted on 02/22/2010 7:37:16 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: GreenLanternCorps
2. Not all of the Senate bill can be passed as a reconciliation item.

The Senate Bill must be passed by the House in full BEFORE reconciliation can take place. Reconciliation (requiring only 51 votes) will then shape the bill to what is acceptable to the house and the president. So the stuff the president wants like price controls will have to be added in reconciliation.

42 posted on 02/22/2010 8:57:43 PM PST by Mike Darancette (You know Obama is in trouble when the MSM mentions that he is half white.)
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To: mwl8787

The Republicans should bring the 160 or so amendments that they attempted to get included and then ask the President which of those can we get passed?

Not only does the President not want to start with a blank piece of paper he can’t.


43 posted on 02/22/2010 9:21:54 PM PST by Mike Darancette (You know Obama is in trouble when the MSM mentions that he is half white.)
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