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House OKs concealed weapons bill (WY)
trib.com ^ | 23 February, 2010 | JEREMY PELZER

Posted on 02/23/2010 4:12:39 AM PST by marktwain

CHEYENNE -- The Wyoming House of Representatives on Monday passed legislation under which a permit would no longer be required to carry a concealed weapon in Wyoming.

If passed, Wyoming would become the third state, after Alaska and Vermont, to allow conceal-carry without a permit.

The bill, House Bill 113, passed 42-15. It now advances to the Senate, where it will be taken up as soon as the end of the week. But although the bill has Senate sponsors, Senate Majority Leader Jim Anderson, R-Glenrock, said the proposal will "probably be received with more scrutiny on the Senate side" than in the House.

Under the bill, anyone who meets the current requirements to obtain a concealed-weapons permit from the state would be allowed to carry a concealed weapon -- except that proof of firearms training would no longer be required.

If the legislation passes, Wyoming would still issue concealed-weapons permits to residents, as such permits are needed for Wyoming residents to carry a concealed weapon in several other states.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; gun; wy
Wyoming would join Alaska and Vermont as states that allow Constitutional carry without a permit.
1 posted on 02/23/2010 4:12:39 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

If the Feds would have honored our bill of rights, ALL of it, there would never have been a 9-11. The only check for carry on guns would be to make sure your ground issued carry permit was valid and then airport security would check to make sure your weapon was loaded.


2 posted on 02/23/2010 4:23:28 AM PST by at bay (My father was born with 28 ounces of flesh in 1924 then went on to become Mr. (Glenn) Holland.)
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To: at bay

Why would it have stopped 9/11? I imagine the terrorists would have had guns also, wouldn’t they? They probably would have just jumped up, killed everyone first, then fly into a building.


3 posted on 02/23/2010 5:38:21 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: marktwain

Awesome! Way to go WYO!


4 posted on 02/23/2010 9:02:35 AM PST by zeugma (Proofread a page a day: http://www.pgdp.net/)
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To: stuartcr

Really?

Four guys against how many?

They would have jumped up and fired twice— before being themselves turned into jihadi-burgers.


5 posted on 02/23/2010 9:30:14 AM PST by ExGeeEye (Talk To The Hand-- Palin 2012)
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To: ExGeeEye

Yeah, positioned properly, they could have taken out quite a few, especially if they new who else had weapons and had the element of surprise and a hostage in front of them. I doubt even 25% of the passengers would be armed.


6 posted on 02/23/2010 9:33:08 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr
Of course, the whole thing is academic.

But sort of interesting—

I'll give you 25% carry rate among airline pax on and before 9/11.

Flight 93, 9 out of 38.

Flight 175, 14 out of 56.

Flight 77, 14 out of 58.

Flight 11, 20 out of 81.

Not including crew.

Just to help your argument, let's cut those in half. Now only 1 in 8 are packing.

Thought experiment: assuming that the other passengers don't get suspicious of you as you move from your assigned to your preferred seats, thus retaining the element of surprise, where do you and your three teammates position yourselves so that, when you jump up and either take a hostage or start shooting, none of the 4 to 10 armed passengers can keep you from taking control of the aircraft?

(Remember that the actions of the unarmed on Flight 93 prevented the accomplishment of the terrorists’ mission.)

After 9-11, I don't think a hijacking will succeed on an aircraft with a predominately American passenger roster with or without guns; and in the event our COTUS 2A rights were restored to the extent postulated on this thread, a good deal more than 25% of the pax would be packin’.

7 posted on 02/23/2010 9:49:19 AM PST by ExGeeEye (Talk To The Hand-- Palin 2012)
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To: ExGeeEye

How would the terrorists get guns aboard? They didn’t even have drivers licenses let alone concealed carry permits, which do an extensive background.

No, with one CCW aboard, with courage, it would be “Drop the boxcutters or you all die!”


8 posted on 02/23/2010 11:03:11 AM PST by at bay (My father was born with 28 ounces of flesh in 1924 then went on to become Mr. (Glenn) Holland.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Seats can be picked prior to boarding. Positioning would depend upon the aircraft.

A silencer, at nite when passengers are mostly asleep or less conscious, would allow someone to take out a lot of people before being noticed.

I do not believe that 25% of the people that fly, would be carrying. That would also depend a lot on the flights destination, time of week, time of flight.


9 posted on 02/23/2010 11:29:53 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr
Unspecified in your scenario:

Picking seats prior to boarding

Use of silencers

Specified by you in your scenario:

25% carry rate. I lowered that to 12.5%, in your favor.

Specifically unrelated as to facts: The 9/11 hijackings took place in the morning, when everyone is well-rested and most alert, not at nite [sic] when passengers are mostly asleep or less conscious.

I'm done. It was all academic anyway, and it didn't help that you were moving the goalposts all over the place.

10 posted on 02/23/2010 12:58:20 PM PST by ExGeeEye (Talk To The Hand-- Palin 2012)
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To: at bay
“Drop the boxcutters or you all die!”

I think it may well be that way next time anyway. While I have no present plans to fly, neither do I plan to sit mouselike in such a case. Crap will happen, if I have only my hands with which to bring it.

11 posted on 02/23/2010 1:01:25 PM PST by ExGeeEye (Talk To The Hand-- Palin 2012)
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To: stuartcr
The same argument can be made for a train, a bus or even a movie theater.

The basic premise, which appears to hold up to factual scrutiny, is that the hijackers picked airplanes to attack because they would be assured that no one else onboard was armed.

Once this certainty is eliminated the attraction for hijacking airplanes diminishes.

12 posted on 02/23/2010 1:10:56 PM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: ExGeeEye

I didn’t realise it was a formal scenario, besides it’s mine so I get to move anything anywhere, don’t I?

Would terrorists submit a formal scenario for review? If they had been allowed to have guns, would everything have taken place as it did? I don’t think so.


13 posted on 02/23/2010 2:45:47 PM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Knitebane

Diminishes or increases, luckily we probably won’t ever know.


14 posted on 02/23/2010 2:47:06 PM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr

Just to jump in here...

If you claim that since it’s your game, you get to move the goalposts...

...you’ll soon find that you’re just playing with yourself...

...and that can lead to blindness, hand warts, and moral degradation.

Fun, though, ain’t it?


15 posted on 02/23/2010 3:33:58 PM PST by Head Honco (Because I wanted it.)
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To: Head Honco

and satisfying...


16 posted on 02/23/2010 4:41:51 PM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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