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Meet kinder, gentler Glenn Beck: New 'global warming' believer
WorldNetDaily ^ | 2/23/10 | MediaMatters

Posted on 02/23/2010 7:15:43 AM PST by OneVike



While polls show more people drifting away from acceptance of "global warming," the newest superstar among conservatives – Glenn Beck – is embracing it.

"You'd be an idiot not to notice the temperature change," he says.

He also thinks it could be caused partly by man's activity.

At home, he's going green by using energy-saving products.

"I'm willing to do anything but use the CFLs," he says of compact fluorescent light bulbs. "I put them in once and couldn't stand the way they lit up the room."

The kinder, gentler, greener and warmer side of Beck, known as a firebrand conservative, came to light in an interview in USA Weekend.

Beck also has lots of friends on the other side of the political spectrum, he reveals. He calls George Clooney "a good, honest man." Beck says the two of them had an extended conversation about the genocide in Darfur.

"We came to an immediate, completely wholehearted agreement about the situation," Beck says. "That is, to put aside the politics and give troops what they need to protect people over there. He's a good, honest man who believes passionately about doing something about it."

Beck's personal publicist, Matt Hiltzik, is a Democratic power player who helped get Hillary Rodham Clinton elected to the U.S. Senate, says the magazine report.

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Seems like the rose colored glasses are beginning to fall of those who used to view Mr. Beck with good approval?
1 posted on 02/23/2010 7:15:43 AM PST by OneVike
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To: OneVike

UT, OH!


2 posted on 02/23/2010 7:17:12 AM PST by LibFreeUSA (Show me what Obama brought that was new and there you will find things only blind and destructive.)
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To: OneVike

Oh Puhleeeease.


3 posted on 02/23/2010 7:17:45 AM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: Alex Murphy; JesusBmyGod; Whenifhow; rom; Hanna548; DvdMom; leftyontheright; FrdmLvr; jblann1; ...
Glen Beck article Ping!

Interesting hit peice on Glen Beck by WND. Is it true, is Beck moving to the left?

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Time for a shower and I need to get to work. Be back in an hour when I get to work. I am very curious as to what everyone thinks about this.

4 posted on 02/23/2010 7:18:06 AM PST by OneVike
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To: OneVike
"You'd be an idiot not to notice the temperature change," he says

Sounds like he is hanging out with O'Reilly too much but I'd still like to see the context of this comment.

5 posted on 02/23/2010 7:18:49 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: OneVike; TenthAmendmentChampion; Carlucci; proud_yank; meyer; Horusra; Para-Ord.45; rdl6989; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

6 posted on 02/23/2010 7:20:00 AM PST by steelyourfaith (FReepers were opposed to Obama even before it was cool to be against Obama.)
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To: OneVike
Already posted: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2457184/posts
7 posted on 02/23/2010 7:20:22 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: OneVike

Beck is the male version of Oprah now?


8 posted on 02/23/2010 7:20:34 AM PST by Eye of Unk ("Either you are with us or you are for the terrorists." ~~George W. Bush)
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To: OneVike

That’s why this morning we’re having the first snow the dogs have ever seen, but whatever Glenn.


9 posted on 02/23/2010 7:21:23 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: OneVike
This was debunked twice yesterday.

Whirled Nut Daisey at is again...

10 posted on 02/23/2010 7:21:31 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: OneVike
I would trust what I see Glenn say on his TV program more than I would trust a line from a USA Weekend article.
11 posted on 02/23/2010 7:21:46 AM PST by Tribune7 (Only stupid, racists people support Obama.)
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To: OneVike

You won’t hear that from me....never was a fan...

Rush is and always has been my favorite....


12 posted on 02/23/2010 7:23:49 AM PST by Kimmers (Be the kind of person when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, Oh crap, she's awake)
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To: OneVike
Funny how everyone is out to get this guy, even some here. Some may not like his style but the information he is revealing should outweigh that but it doesn't, everyone wants perfection.

Obviously he his hitting some raw nerves and stirring up a lot of jealousy.

13 posted on 02/23/2010 7:23:57 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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To: OneVike

Glenn Beck is now a complete moron, I guess all those free books didn’t help all that much.


14 posted on 02/23/2010 7:24:32 AM PST by stockpirate (Hey Beck, Thomas Jefferson was a birther!)
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To: OneVike
He calls George Clooney "a good, honest man."

A Hollywood Red and a looney.

15 posted on 02/23/2010 7:24:42 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: OneVike

OK, final straw for Beck with me.


16 posted on 02/23/2010 7:24:48 AM PST by riri (Resistance-It's the New Black)
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To: Dead Corpse

Ok, that’s good to know. I was getting worried about an invasion of the body snatchers or something.


17 posted on 02/23/2010 7:24:50 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: OneVike

He must be making money. GW is a rich man’s game


18 posted on 02/23/2010 7:24:56 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Eye of Unk

No.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft8LfE7AI2w


19 posted on 02/23/2010 7:25:04 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: OneVike

While I think Glenn Beck had done a good job of highlighting many things wrong with this administration, I’ve never been able to shake the feeling that he is a phony in many ways.

My sweetie pointed out to me, some months ago, that Beck always seems to be selling something. Books, appearances, etc. We’re all capitalists here, but he’s been the only Fox person so far, not to announce proceeds going to charity for some of his stuff. I’d never noticed this before. While it’s not critical, he is already paid 10 million a season and it would be nice ....

It’s a concern of mine that Beck does not attribute the work and research of others as he should, on his TV show. I can’t speak to his radio show as I don’t get it here. It’s something I’m starting to pay attention to, and make me realize why Mark Levin thinks so little of Glenn Beck. He steals the research of others nearly every day on TV, without attribution. Much of what he does on TV was presented HERE on FreeRepublic a day or so before! But without comment, he presents it on his show as his own research by his staff. It’s stunning.

I am wary of Glenn Beck. I think he’s a good guy on most things. But I think he’s most interested in Glenn Beck.


20 posted on 02/23/2010 7:25:21 AM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: riri

Don’t believe the spin. It’s a hit piece.


21 posted on 02/23/2010 7:25:32 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: OneVike

In north Texas they are getting 12 inches of snow this morning.


22 posted on 02/23/2010 7:25:46 AM PST by stockpirate (Hey Beck, Thomas Jefferson was a birther!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Glenn Beck is a fraud! i applaud the fact that he is educating American’s regarding the constitution. The problem is that when a candidate that supports state sovereignty and individual freedom emerges he demonizes the candidate.

He is a pied piper.


23 posted on 02/23/2010 7:26:40 AM PST by Pantera
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Man Made Global Warming is bunk.

He can institute whatever “green of the week” changes he’d like to at his house but the agenda insists that EVERYONE change lifestyles to suit the new standards (which will not impact the climate any differently).

What did you make of Newt Gingrich’s ad with Nancy Pelosi conceding the issue of man made global warming?


24 posted on 02/23/2010 7:26:45 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: Dead Corpse

How can it be debunked, it’s in the article at USA weekend
http://www.usaweekend.com/article/20100219/ENTERTAINMENT01/100218001/Don-t-judge-Beck-by-his-cover


25 posted on 02/23/2010 7:26:47 AM PST by Irenic
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To: OneVike
"You'd be an idiot not to notice the temperature change," he says. He also thinks it could be caused partly by man's activity.

There WAS a very slight warming trend from about 1900 to 1995. But most of that was correlated strongly with solar activity. Sunspot activity was (during peak periods of the 11-year cycle during the interval) were at record breaking levels. It was higher than at any other time in the past 1,000 years or so, based on proxy methods of measuring solar activity, as we've only been directly observing them by eye for about 400 years. Since 1995, we've been on a COOLING trend. This is what the leftist-environmentalists, so-called "scientists" running the GoreBull Warming movement were attempting to hide recently.

26 posted on 02/23/2010 7:26:55 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Irenic
He covered the article yesterday on his radio show. We hashed it out on another thread.

The article 100% pure bovine scat.

27 posted on 02/23/2010 7:28:18 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: Dead Corpse

Did he denounce the info about his support for more troops to Darfur?


28 posted on 02/23/2010 7:29:43 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: OneVike
"You'd be an idiot not to notice the temperature change," he says....."

Yup, 40 degrees F in Fort Lauderdale is a very noticeable temperature change, I'd say.

29 posted on 02/23/2010 7:29:54 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: OneVike
The following which I pieced together, hopefully in a coherent way, describes a possible connection between the sunspot/solar activity cycle and climate. Some of it I wrote myself (indicated by "-etl"). The rest is linked directly to its source.

Keep in mind, the Earth has been in a COOLING trend ever since 1995.
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Although sunspot cycle 24 is VERY slow to get underway (decades-long records are being broken for low minimum period activity), over the course of the past 80-100 years sunspot numbers have actually been through the roof (during *peak periods* of the 11-year solar activity cycle throughout this 80-100 yr period). Cycle-24 is not expected to get really busy for a few more years yet, possibly not until around 2013 they're saying now. Will the high level of sunspot activity continue when the peak finally arrives?. We will see. -etl

If you look at the chart below, you will see that sunspot activity (during solar maxes--the individual peaks every apprx 11 yrs) has been relatively high since about 1940 and almost non-existent for the period between about 1625 and 1725. This period is known as the Maunder (sunspot) Minimum or "Little Ice Age".-etl


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From BBC News [yr: 2004]:
"A new [2004] analysis shows that the Sun is more active now than it has been at anytime in the previous 1,000 years. Scientists based at the Institute for Astronomy in Zurich used ice cores from Greenland to construct a picture of our star's activity in the past. They say that over the last century the number of sunspots rose at the same time that the Earth's climate became steadily warmer."..."In particular, it has been noted that between about 1645 and 1715, few sunspots were seen on the Sun's surface.

This period is called the Maunder Minimum after the English astronomer who studied it. It coincided with a spell of prolonged cold weather often referred to as the "Little Ice Age". Solar scientists strongly suspect there is a link between the two events - but the exact mechanism remains elusive."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3869753.stm
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It's really hard to imagine how this little ball of fire could have any impact on our climate at all. /s

But the main arguments being made for a solar-climate connection is not so much to do with the heat of the Sun (the sun isn't necessarily getting warmer, although that may be happening as well) but rather with its magnetic cycles. When the Sun is more magnetically active (typically around the peak of the 11-year sunspot cycle --we are a few yrs away at the moment), the Sun's magnetic field is better able to deflect away incoming galactic cosmic rays (highly energetic charged particles coming from outside the solar system). The GCRs are thought to help in the formation of low-level cumulus clouds -the type of clouds that BLOCK sunlight and help cool the Earth. So when the Sun's MF is acting up (not like now -the next sunspot max is expected in about 2013, according to the latest predictions), less GCRs reach the Earth's atmosphere, less low level, sunlight-blocking clouds form, and more sunlight gets through to warm the Earth's surface...naturally. Clouds are basically made up of tiny water droplets. When minute particles in the atmosphere become ionized by incoming GCRs they become very 'attractive' to water molecules, in a purely chemical sense of the word. The process by which the Sun's increased magnetic field deflects incoming cosmic rays is very similar to the way magnetic fields steer electrons in a cathode ray tube (old-time television tube) or electrons and other charged particles around the ring of a subatomic particle accelerator.-etl
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From NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory's "Not So Frequently Asked Questions" section:

Q-Does the number of sunspots have any effect on the climate here on Earth?

A-Sunspots are slightly cooler areas on the surface of the Sun, due to the intense magnetic fields, so they radiate a little less energy than the surroundings. However, there are usually nearby areas associated with the sunspots that are a little hotter (called falculae), and they more than compensate. The result is that there is a little bit more radiation coming from the Sun when it has more sunspots, but the effect is so small that it has very little impact on the weather and climate on Earth.

However, there are more important indirect effects: sunspots are associated with what we call "active regions", with large magnetic structures containing very hot material (being held in place by the magnetism). This causes more ultraviolet (or UV) radiation (the rays that give you a suntan or sunburn), and extreme ultraviolet radiation (EUV). These types of radiation have an impact on the chemistry of the upper atmosphere (e.g. producing ozone). Since some of these products act as greenhouse gases, the number of sunspots (through association with active regions) may influence the climate in this way.

Many active regions produce giant outflows of material that are called Coronal Mass Ejections. These ejections drag with them some of the more intense magnetic fields that are found in the active regions. The magnetic fields act as a shield for high-energy particles coming from various sources in our galaxy (outside the solar system). These "cosmic rays" (CRs) cause ionization of molecules in the atmosphere, and thereby can cause clouds to form (because the ionized molecules or dust particle can act as "seeds" for drop formation).

If clouds are formed very high in the atmosphere, the net result is a heating of the Earth - it acts as a "blanket" that keeps warmth in.

If clouds are formed lower down in the atmosphere, they reflect sunlight better than they keep heat inside, so the net result is cooling.

Which processes are dominant is still a matter of research.

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/classroom/notsofaq.html#SUNSPOT_CLIMATE
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NASA graph of sunspot activity over the past 400 years [note the profound lack of sunspot activity during the "Little Ice Age" period (apprx 1650-1720), AND the sharp INCREASE particularly during the past 60 years:

http://science.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/solar/images/ssn_yearly.jpg
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From NASA...

Astronomers who count sunspots have announced that 2008 is now the "blankest year" of the Space Age

As of Sept. 27, 2008, the sun had been blank, i.e., had no visible sunspots, on 200 days of the year. To find a year with more blank suns, you have to go back to 1954, three years before the launch of Sputnik, when the sun was blank 241 times.

"Sunspot counts are at a 50-year low," says solar physicist David Hathaway of the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center. "We're experiencing a deep minimum of the solar cycle."

And it is a very quiet time. If solar activity continues as low as it has been, 2008 could rack up a whopping 290 spotless days by the end of December, making it a century-level year in terms of spotlessness.

Hathaway cautions that this development may sound more exciting than it actually is: "While the solar minimum of 2008 is shaping up to be the deepest of the Space Age, it is still unremarkable compared to the long and deep solar minima of the late 19th and early 20th centuries." Those earlier minima routinely racked up 200 to 300 spotless days per year.

Some solar physicists are welcoming the lull.

"This gives us a chance to study the sun without the complications of sunspots," says Dean Pesnell of the Goddard Space Flight Center. "Right now we have the best instrumentation in history looking at the sun. There is a whole fleet of spacecraft devoted to solar physics--SOHO, Hinode, ACE, STEREO and others. We're bound to learn new things during this long solar minimum."

As an example he offers helioseismology: "By monitoring the sun's vibrating surface, helioseismologists can probe the stellar interior in much the same way geologists use earthquakes to probe inside Earth. With sunspots out of the way, we gain a better view of the sun's subsurface winds and inner magnetic dynamo."

"There is also the matter of solar irradiance," adds Pesnell. "Researchers are now seeing the dimmest sun in their records. The change is small, just a fraction of a percent, but significant. Questions about effects on climate are natural if the sun continues to dim."

Pesnell is NASA's project scientist for the Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO), a new spacecraft equipped to study both solar irradiance and helioseismic waves. Construction of SDO is complete, he says, and it has passed pre-launch vibration and thermal testing. "We are ready to launch! Solar minimum is a great time to go."

Coinciding with the string of blank suns is a 50-year record low in solar wind pressure, a recent discovery of the Ulysses spacecraft. (See the Science@NASA story Solar Wind Loses Pressure.) The pressure drop began years before the current minimum, so it is unclear how the two phenomena are connected, if at all. This is another mystery for SDO and the others.

Who knew the blank sun could be so interesting?

More to come...

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/30sep_blankyear.htm

Related article:
Solar Wind Loses Power, Hits 50-year Low - Sept. 23, 2008
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/23sep_solarwind.htm
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation
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Oulu Neutron Monitor From 1964 - 2009 [measures incoming galactic cosmic ray numbers -note how it is inverse to sunspot activity -etl]
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SOURCE: http://forum.junkscience.com/index.php?topic=397.0
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From NASA.gov, September 30, 2008:

Coinciding with the string of blank suns is a 50-year record low in solar wind pressure, a recent discovery of the Ulysses spacecraft. (See the Science@NASA story Solar Wind Loses Pressure.) The pressure drop began years before the current minimum, so it is unclear how the two phenomena are connected, if at all. This is another mystery for SDO and the others. ..."

"There is also the matter of solar irradiance," adds Pesnell. "Researchers are now seeing the dimmest sun in their records. The change is small, just a fraction of a percent, but significant. Questions about effects on climate are natural if the sun continues to dim."

Article:
Spotless Sun: Blankest Year of the Space Age [50 years]:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/30sep_blankyear.htm
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100,000-Year Climate Pattern Linked To Sun's Magnetic Cycles:

ScienceDaily (Jun. 7, 2002) HANOVER, N.H.
Thanks to new calculations by a Dartmouth geochemist, scientists are now looking at the earth's climate history in a new light. Mukul Sharma, Assistant Professor of Earth Sciences at Dartmouth, examined existing sets of geophysical data and noticed something remarkable: the sun's magnetic activity is varying in 100,000-year cycles, a much longer time span than previously thought, and this solar activity, in turn, may likely cause the 100,000-year climate cycles on earth. This research helps scientists understand past climate trends and prepare for future ones.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/06/020607073439.htm
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From a well-referenced wikipedia.com column (see wiki link for ref 14):
"Sunspot numbers over the past 11,400 years have been reconstructed using dendrochronologically dated radiocarbon concentrations. The level of solar activity during the past 70 years is exceptional — the last period of similar magnitude occurred over 8,000 years ago. The Sun was at a similarly high level of magnetic activity for only ~10% of the past 11,400 years, and almost all of the earlier high-activity periods were shorter than the present episode.[14]"

[14] ^Solanki, Sami K.; Usoskin, Ilya G.; Kromer, Bernd; Schüssler, Manfred & Beer, Jürg (2004), “Unusual activity of the Sun during recent decades compared to the previous 11,000 years”, Nature 431: 1084–1087, doi:10.1038/nature02995, . Retrieved on 17 April 2007 , "11,000 Year Sunspot Number Reconstruction". Global Change Master Directory. Retrieved on 2005-03-11.


"Reconstruction of solar activity over 11,400 years. Period of equally high activity over 8,000 years ago marked.
Present period is on [the right]. Values since 1900 not shown."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation
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The Center for Sun-Climate Research at the DNSC (Danish National Space Center) investigates the connection between variations in the intensity of cosmic rays and climatic changes on Earth. This field of research has been given the name 'cosmoclimatology'"..."Cosmic ray intensities – and therefore cloudiness – keep changing because the Sun's magnetic field varies in its ability to repel cosmic rays coming from the Galaxy, before they can reach the Earth." :
http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate
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Climate debate and FAQ:

What is climate research at the DNSC? [Danish National Space Center]

The Earth’s climate is always changing. This has been the case in the geological and historical time and even during the last 150 years, where systematic climate measurements have been made, we have seen clear climate changes.

Climate changes have both a scientific and a social perspective. The social perspective is associated with the range of climate change that can be attributed to the increasing human induced contribution. The scientific perspective is an endeavour to understand the full complex system of the various sources of climate change and their mutual interactions.

The Danish National Space Center, DNSC, comprises the country's largest collected expertise in the scientific disciplines that play a major and documented role in the understanding of climate change both in geological and historical time, namely variations in solar activity. DNSC regards it essential that this collected expertise is being used in an attempt to understand the natural causes of climate change in order to evaluate the contribution of natural causes to global change. Taking into account the large uncertainty associated with the estimated human contribution, a good research based estimate of the range of natural climate variations is an essential information.

DNSC is basing its effort in this area on own scientific results – observational, experimental, and theoretical. The scientific results have been published internationally and indicate that the varying activity of the Sun is indeed the largest and most systematic contributor to natural climate variations. The effect goes through solar modulation of the cosmic radiation, which affects the formation of aerosols and thereby also the formation of clouds. Even though a physical mechanism connecting cosmic rays to aerosol formation has been found experimentally, no climate model has yet made an attempt to include such an effect.

That there exists a significant contribution from solar activity variations to global temperature increase does not, however, exclude other contributions to the rising global temperature, natural as well as human. DNSC, however, is focused on establishing the best possible and scientifically based evaluation of the size of solar induced effects on climate.

Why is the climate changing?

Climate is subject to influences by both natural and human forces, including greenhouse gases, aerosols, solar activity, and land use change. The climate system is extremely complex and any estimate of the human contribution to climate change is very uncertain.

What are the natural causes to climate change?

Changes in the Sun contribute to climate change. Solar activity has been exceptionally high in the 20th century compared to the last 400 years and possibly compared to the past 8,000 years. When solar activity is high, the flux of galactic cosmic rays is reduced due to increased magnetic shielding by the Sun. The cosmic rays may influence Earths climate through formation of low lying clouds.

How can cosmic rays influence cloud formation?

Cosmic rays ionize the atmosphere and an experiment performed at the Danish National Space Center has found that the production of aerosols in a sample atmosphere with condensable gases (such as sulphuric acid and water vapor) depends on the amount of ionization. Since aerosols work as precursors for formation of cloud droplets, this is an indication that cosmic rays affect climate.

Climate models only include the effects of the small variations in the direct solar radiation (infrared, visible and UV). The effects of cosmic rays on clouds are not included in models and the models do a rather poor job of simulating clouds in the present climate. Since cloud feedbacks are a large source of uncertainty, this is a reason for concern when viewing climate model predictions.

http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/climate-debate-and-faq
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Here's an excellent ~new book out on the subject titled "The Chilling Stars, 2nd Edition: A Cosmic View of Climate Change". It's written by one of the top scientists advancing the theory (Henrik Svensmark, of the above mentioned Danish National Space Center/DNSC).

"The authors explain their theory that sub-atomic particles from exploded stars have more effect on the climate than manmade CO2."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/books/t/1840468157-the_chilling_stars_the_new_theory_of_climate_change.htm

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Amazon Books: "The Chilling Stars, 2nd Edition: A Cosmic View of Climate Change"
http://www.amazon.com/Chilling-Stars-2nd-Cosmic-Climate/dp/1840468661 zs90]
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Here's another good sunspot chart, showing the various peaks and dips throughout the past centuries. Note the "Medieval Max". It corresponds to the "Medieval Warm Period". The "Maunder Minimum" corresponds to the "Little Ice Age", and the "Modern Max" to the recent warming trend we had been experiencing, at least until the past several years or so.

"Changes in carbon-14 concentration in the Earth's atmosphere, which serves as a long term proxy of solar activity. Note the present day is on the left-hand side of this figure."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_activity

30 posted on 02/23/2010 7:29:54 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: OneVike

This thread, and most of the comments posted to it, are a metaphor for why conservatism has been unable to remain a dominant political force.


31 posted on 02/23/2010 7:29:57 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: All
THE ACQUITTAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD

ABSTRACT:

"Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere [historically] is the product of oceanic respiration due to the well-known but under-appreciated solubility pump. Carbon dioxide rises out of warm ocean waters where it is added to the atmosphere. There it is mixed with residual and accidental CO2, and circulated, to be absorbed into the sink of the cold ocean waters. Next the thermohaline circulation carries the CO2-rich sea water deep into the ocean. A millennium later it appears at the surface in warm waters, saturated by lower pressure and higher temperature, to be exhausted back into the atmosphere. Throughout the past 420 millennia, comprising four interglacial periods, the Vostok record of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is imprinted with, and fully characterized by, the physics of the solubility of CO2 in water, along with the lag in the deep ocean circulation.

Notwithstanding that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, atmospheric carbon dioxide has neither caused nor amplified global temperature increases. Increased carbon dioxide has been an effect of global warming, not a cause. Technically, carbon dioxide is a lagging proxy for ocean temperatures. When global temperature, and along with it, ocean temperature rises, the physics of solubility causes atmospheric CO2 to increase.

If increases in carbon dioxide, or any other greenhouse gas, could have in turn raised global temperatures, the positive feedback would have been catastrophic. While the conditions for such a catastrophe were present in the Vostok record from natural causes, the runaway event did not occur. Carbon dioxide does not accumulate in the atmosphere."

http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html
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The graph above represents temperature and CO2 levels over the past 400,000 years. It is the same exact data Al Gore and the rest of the man-made global warmers refer to. The blue line is temps, the red, CO2 levels. The deep valleys represent 4 separate glaciation/ice-age periods, approximately 100,000 years apart. Look carefully at the historical relationship between temps and CO2 levels (the present is on the right hand side of the graph) and keep in mind that Gore claims this data is the 'proof' that CO2 has warmed the earth in the past. But does this data indeed show this? Nope. In fact, rising CO2 levels all throughout this 400,000-year period actually *followed* temperature increases, lagging behind by an average of 800 years! So it couldn't have been CO2 that got Earth out of these past glaciations. Yet Gore continually and dishonestly uses this same data as "evidence" of a *positive* historical correlation between CO2 and temps. Furthermore, and importantly, the subsequent CO2 level increases (due to dissolved CO2 being released from warming oceans) never did lead to additional warming, the so-called "run-away greenhouse effect" that Al Gore and company continue warning us about. In short, there is little if any evidence that CO2 had ever led to any significant global warming when the levels were within 10-15 times of what they are today. -etl
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"The above chart shows the range of global temperature through the last 500 million years. There is no statistical correlation between the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere through the last 500 million years and the temperature record in this interval. In fact, one of the highest levels of carbon dioxide concentration occurred during a major ice age that occurred about 450 million years ago [Myr]. Carbon dioxide concentrations at that time were about 15 times higher than at present." [also see 180 million years ago, same thing happened]:
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=010405M
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So, greenhouse [effect] is all about carbon dioxide, right?

Wrong. The most important players on the greenhouse stage are water vapor and clouds [clouds of course aren't gas, but high level ones do act to trap heat from escaping, while low-lying cumulus clouds tend to reflect sunlight and thereby help cool the planet -etl]. Carbon dioxide has been increased to about 0.038% of the atmosphere (possibly from about 0.028% pre-Industrial Revolution) while water in its various forms ranges from 0% to 4% of the atmosphere and its properties vary by what form it is in and even at what altitude it is found in the atmosphere.

In simple terms the bulk of Earth's greenhouse effect is due to water vapor by virtue of its abundance. Water accounts for about 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect -- perhaps 70% is due to water vapor and about 20% due to clouds (mostly water droplets), some estimates put water as high as 95% of Earth's total tropospheric greenhouse effect (e.g., Freidenreich and Ramaswamy, 'Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,' Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264).

The remaining portion comes from carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, ozone and miscellaneous other 'minor greenhouse gases.' As an example of the relative importance of water it should be noted that changes in the relative humidity on the order of 1.3-4% are equivalent to the effect of doubling CO2.

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/
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Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many 'facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

Human activities contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
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Water Vapor Confirmed As Major Player In Climate Change

ScienceDaily (Nov. 18, 2008) — Water vapor is known to be Earth's most abundant greenhouse gas, but the extent of its contribution to global warming has been debated. Using recent NASA satellite data, researchers have estimated more precisely than ever the heat-trapping effect of water in the air, validating the role of the gas as a critical component of climate change.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081117193013.htm

32 posted on 02/23/2010 7:30:41 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: OneVike

Come on dude. You had so much promise.


33 posted on 02/23/2010 7:31:05 AM PST by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: stockpirate
The glaciers left North America 10,000 years ago: Sea levels rose and are still rising. Big deal—I like it warm!
34 posted on 02/23/2010 7:31:08 AM PST by Does so (ObamaCare...I pay for medical-marijuana claims by millions of Americans?)
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To: OneVike

Never could stand the guy. Real conservative men don’t cry in public, they get the job done.


35 posted on 02/23/2010 7:31:32 AM PST by HospiceNurse
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To: Pantera

Farah is channeling Alex Jones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xquohKzR8QI

Don’t believe the libel...


36 posted on 02/23/2010 7:31:46 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: OneVike

This has already been posted and debunked.


37 posted on 02/23/2010 7:33:46 AM PST by dforest
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To: OneVike
Beck's is exactly what you see. A dumbazz. I tried to watch his show twice and both times I switched off after about 15 minutes. He seems to be trying to act like he's got everything under control and knows where he's headed, but that stupid smirk he constantly wears makes him look like a village idiot.

I sort of thought that something like this was going to develop.

I'm sure glad that the nation didn't overreact to his schpiel last summer when he was the conservatives new panacea and the MSM's new boogy-man.

38 posted on 02/23/2010 7:34:25 AM PST by skimbell
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To: Captain Kirk

Dunno. I missed that part of his show yesterday.


39 posted on 02/23/2010 7:35:06 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: All
Cosmic Rays Hit Space Age High
[relates to low sunspot activity (and cooling trend on Earth?..see my previous post on the matter)]
NASA.GOV ^ | September 29, 2009

Cosmic Rays Hit Space Age High "We're experiencing the deepest solar minimum in nearly a century," says Dean Pesnell of the Goddard Space Flight Center, "so it is no surprise that cosmic rays are at record levels for the Space Age [i.e. past 50+ years or so -etl]."

Galactic cosmic rays come from outside the solar system. They are subatomic particles--mainly protons but also some heavy nuclei--accelerated to almost light speed by distant supernova explosions. Cosmic rays cause "air showers" of secondary particles when they hit Earth's atmosphere; they pose a health hazard to astronauts; and a single cosmic ray can disable a satellite if it hits an unlucky integrated circuit.

The sun's magnetic field is our first line of defense against these highly-charged, energetic particles. The entire solar system from Mercury to Pluto and beyond is surrounded by a bubble of magnetism called "the heliosphere." It springs from the sun's inner magnetic dynamo and is inflated to gargantuan proportions by the solar wind. When a cosmic ray tries to enter the solar system, it must fight through the heliosphere's outer layers; and if it makes it inside, there is a thicket of magnetic fields waiting to scatter and deflect the intruder.


An artist's concept of the heliosphere, a magnetic bubble that partially protects the solar system from cosmic rays.

"At times of low solar activity, this natural shielding is weakened, and more cosmic rays are able to reach the inner solar system," explains Pesnell."
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/29sep_cosmicrays.htm

40 posted on 02/23/2010 7:35:12 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: OneVike
I know one thing for sure, we need to watch for any attempts to cause dissent. There is a lot of friction between the "voices" we listen to and we have to sort things out and not allow our fight for freedom to be derailed.

There have only been a very few leaders throughout history who did not turn out to have feet of clay. George Washington isn't back yet!

41 posted on 02/23/2010 7:35:23 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Daisyjane69
But I think he’s most interested in Glenn Beck

And who is your main interest in your career?

If you not taking care of number one first you can't take care of any one else.

42 posted on 02/23/2010 7:38:16 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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To: Dead Corpse

What is it with all of these hit pieces. Is a “bunker buddy” conspiracy afoot?


43 posted on 02/23/2010 7:38:20 AM PST by cva41
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To: OneVike
Well, I suppose that there is no more certain kiss of death than painting Beck as "green."

That does it then. I'm convinced.

Is a certain group really really worried about this guy or what?

I use CFBs everywhere. Obviously, we are on opposite sides of the political spectrum and must learn to love ACORN, SEIU and Harry Reid.

Well then, that settles that.

44 posted on 02/23/2010 7:38:58 AM PST by Publius6961 (You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do)
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To: cva41

Yep. Apparently, Farah is in the bag for Romney. Anyone that might cast mud on his pet RINO is automatically a target.


45 posted on 02/23/2010 7:39:58 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: OneVike

Sucks that he fell off the wagon. He’s was doing so well.


46 posted on 02/23/2010 7:41:24 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: a fool in paradise
Man Made Global Warming is bunk.

Absolutely, I watch Glenn often and I have never heard him say the things that this article says. As a poster noted above this was debunked twice on here yesterday.

It amazes me how fast some a willing to throw our own under the bus for an article on WND of all places.

When I hear Glenn him self say it, I'll believe it otherwise this is crap.

47 posted on 02/23/2010 7:42:10 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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To: Dead Corpse

O.K. So it’s a group supporting rinos and a group of “bunker buddies” teaming up against a radio host. Good to know.


48 posted on 02/23/2010 7:42:28 AM PST by cva41
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To: OneVike
He head has swelled to and uncontrollable size he is becoming a dork dipshi*.
49 posted on 02/23/2010 7:42:58 AM PST by boomop1
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To: boomop1

He/His


50 posted on 02/23/2010 7:43:55 AM PST by boomop1
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