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Calif. agency gives waterless urinals the flush
AP on SFGate.com ^ | 2/23/10 | KXTV-TV

Posted on 02/23/2010 10:23:05 AM PST by NormsRevenge

Sacramento, Calif. (AP) -- A state agency in charge of environmental regulation has flushed its six-year experiment with waterless urinals.

According to California Environmental Protection Agency spokeswoman Lindsay VanLaningham, the agency has removed all 56 waterless urinals at its 25-story headquarters in downtown Sacramento.

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But VanLaningham says CalEPA has received hundreds of complaints over the years about foul odors and wet floors. Maintenance costs also grew high.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calepa; california; flush; urinals; waterless
The building was touted by the state as the greenest high-rise in the nation when it opened in 2001.

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The building has had some heating and cooling and leaking issues too .. bet that place smelled real ripe in spots.

1 posted on 02/23/2010 10:23:05 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

And they want us to all use only one sheet of TP, to boot....................


2 posted on 02/23/2010 10:25:05 AM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: NormsRevenge; All

Doesn’t this qualify as a capitol offense in Kalifornia?


3 posted on 02/23/2010 10:25:08 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: NormsRevenge
has received hundreds of complaints over the years about foul odors

Ah yes, a symptom also experienced by the wonderful "if it's yellow, let it mellow; if it's brown, flush it down" ludites who don't know how to properly use a toilet (flush after every usage).

4 posted on 02/23/2010 10:25:25 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: NormsRevenge

Yeah, that’s what I say about 99% of the libtards’ futile, misguided environmental efforts...PISS ON ‘EM!


5 posted on 02/23/2010 10:27:33 AM PST by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: a fool in paradise

“has received hundreds of complaints over the years about foul odors”

Okay enough about the Cali Government Employees. What about the toilets?


6 posted on 02/23/2010 10:29:16 AM PST by vwbug
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To: vwbug

LOL!


7 posted on 02/23/2010 10:30:30 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Hey, we now have waterless urinals all over Arizona in the form of plastic bottles containing yellow fluid, discarded along the interstate, ever since the state closed the rest stops due to budgest short-falls!


8 posted on 02/23/2010 10:36:33 AM PST by WestwardHo (Whom the god would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Ahhhh! Sehr gut!!!!

this new hands free, water free lectern/urinal will save the snail darter and really hits the spot.....


9 posted on 02/23/2010 10:36:45 AM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: NormsRevenge

Something is odd about this, if the cartridge is replaced at intervals and the janitors spray the inside of the urinal every night, then where are the odors coming from.

What would the urinal have to do with wet floors?

My plumbing supply warehouse has been using these for years, none of us plumbers and plumbing contractors have seen that problem.

I think the maintenance crew is just too locked into old Mexico ways to perform their duties.


11 posted on 02/23/2010 10:41:57 AM PST by ansel12 ( (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.))
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To: NormsRevenge

Waterless Urinal? Here in Texas we call that a tree.


12 posted on 02/23/2010 10:46:10 AM PST by Hazwaste (Some people are like slinkies. Only good for pushing down stairs.)
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To: NormsRevenge
...56 waterless urinals at its 25-story headquarters in downtown Sacramento.

Ahhh...le pissoir in the sky!

13 posted on 02/23/2010 10:47:54 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (Most university "science" amounts to squandering tax dollars in unoriginal ways.)
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To: Hazwaste
Waterless Urinal? Here in Texas we call that a tree.

or perhaps a tire.

14 posted on 02/23/2010 10:49:16 AM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: NormsRevenge

Wasn’t Al Gore behind these waterless urinals too?


15 posted on 02/23/2010 10:56:51 AM PST by 1776 Reborn
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To: Hazwaste

If somebody tied Al Gore to said tree would it still work?


16 posted on 02/23/2010 11:03:02 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

my colleges uber green new tech building has several of those things. They reek and drip and probably cost a fortune to put in. Money which could have been spent on computers which aren’t dell crapware.


17 posted on 02/23/2010 11:08:35 AM PST by utherdoul
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To: NormsRevenge
Yep, I remember when they had those long troughs in the bar bathroom. The smell was unmistakable.
18 posted on 02/23/2010 11:10:10 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: ansel12
What would the urinal have to do with wet floors?

Don't know about this case.

But in Chicago they were installed in buildings with copper drain pipes, required by the city's code. The undiluted urine rotted out the pipes and the urine drained directly into the walls and eventually out onto floors.

19 posted on 02/23/2010 11:11:27 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Never confuse schooling with education.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I’ve noticed that buildings where they have installed these have slowly acquired an outhouse smell that just does not go away


20 posted on 02/23/2010 11:13:45 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: wolfcreek
Yep, I remember when they had those long troughs in the bar bathroom. The smell was unmistakable.

Ha! Back in the day, the Indy 500 infield heads had troughs. Got a picture one year of a line of guys around the outside of the building peeing on it. A Sheriff's Deputy came by to hassle them over it until one guy pointed to the door and bid him go in and see. He came out and left. There must have been at least 6 inches of.... whatever floating in there.

21 posted on 02/23/2010 11:21:32 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: ansel12
What would the urinal have to do with wet floors?

My guess is that the floors are wet because users are peeing on it.

Evidence of very poor aim.

22 posted on 02/23/2010 11:35:36 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: Sherman Logan

I wonder why they use copper instead of cast iron, I have pulled copper drains out of old buildings but I did not know that it was required anywhere.

I tried to call some commercial plumbers in Chicago but couldn’t find the names of any, the service guy that I spoke to is in the suburbs and doesn’t keep up with that kind of thing.


23 posted on 02/23/2010 11:44:48 AM PST by ansel12 ( (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.))
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To: AFreeBird; wolfcreek
Yep, I remember when they had those long troughs in the bar bathroom. The smell was unmistakable.

Many years ago in some old part of Mexico, I was in a bar where the entire length of the bar had an open, tiled urinal as it's base.

You of course stood at the bar, they did not have stools.

24 posted on 02/23/2010 11:47:56 AM PST by ansel12 ( (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.))
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I’ve noticed that buildings where they have installed these have slowly acquired an outhouse smell that just does not go away

The janitor is supposed to do a quick spray and wipe off the porcelain every night. Even regular urinals don't wash off the entire surface, some that are adjusted too low barely wash the surface at all.

The other thing is, if they do not replace the barrier cartridge on schedule, then of course it loses it's effectiveness.

25 posted on 02/23/2010 11:53:01 AM PST by ansel12 ( (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.))
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To: utherdoul
They reek and drip

They are plumbed in urinals with no water going to them, what drips?

26 posted on 02/23/2010 11:54:40 AM PST by ansel12 ( (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.))
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To: NormsRevenge

one can only imagine 6 yrs to find the experiment with urine stench a failure...prolly hafta nuke the building and start over to get the odor out...


27 posted on 02/23/2010 12:00:42 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: AFreeBird; wolfcreek

both or yer posts beg for the vid of ‘urinal surfing’...


28 posted on 02/23/2010 12:07:30 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: NormsRevenge

I curse every time my ‘Ralph Nader’ toilet at home clogs up due to insufficent flushing power. Every thing liberals touch turns to dreck.


29 posted on 02/23/2010 12:24:46 PM PST by olepap (God help us)
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To: ansel12

Just repeating what I read in an article posted on FR last week. You could probably find it in Search.


30 posted on 02/23/2010 12:27:24 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Never confuse schooling with education.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The building was touted by the state as the greenest high-rise in the nation when it opened in 2001.

Gee, when I was a kid everyone had waterless toilets, of course we didn't keep them in the house. Times change I guess :)

31 posted on 02/23/2010 12:39:52 PM PST by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: NormsRevenge
But VanLaningham says CalEPA has received hundreds of complaints over the years about foul odors and wet floors.

Okay, so how is it the toilet vendors’ fault that CalEPA’s guys can’t hit the bowl?

32 posted on 02/23/2010 12:52:11 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Sherman Logan

I saw the article mentioning the copper, I still wonder about it all, like where the copper starts and ends, that is why I was hoping to get some information from a local contractor.

Around the nation are many “waterless” toilets where the owner simply turned off the leaking supply valve rather than have it repaired, the difference would be that they have no sealed barrier between them and the sewer system.


33 posted on 02/23/2010 12:52:21 PM PST by ansel12 ( (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.))
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To: ansel12
You of course stood at the bar, they did not have stools.

Well of course. You don't want stools laying all over the floor...... sheesh.

34 posted on 02/23/2010 2:12:06 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

Plus, most men would have to get off the stool to urinate from the standing position rather than merely unzip with one hand without having to move.

In France I saw urinals in corners in bars, just outside the door of the bathroom but still open to the public’s view


35 posted on 02/23/2010 2:21:53 PM PST by ansel12 ( (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.))
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To: ansel12

LOL... sorry, you missed the pun.


36 posted on 02/23/2010 3:17:11 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: Hazwaste
Waterless Urinal? Here in Texas we call that a tree.

That's indecent exposure here in Kali.


37 posted on 02/23/2010 6:14:14 PM PST by Clovis_Skeptic (The answer to 1984 is 1776!)
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To: 1776 Reborn
Wasn’t Al Gore behind these waterless urinals too?

If he was...he is indeed "all wet"!

38 posted on 02/23/2010 6:15:21 PM PST by Clovis_Skeptic (The answer to 1984 is 1776!)
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To: Baynative
gota love this one...I went to school in the 40'50s. No such thing as air conditioning. Windows open and you sweat like a pig...business and gov't didn't close down because it was hot in the summer time....

We truly have become a society of sissy's...

39 posted on 02/23/2010 8:18:11 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Clovis_Skeptic; Hazwaste

LOL too funny.....In texas we call them trees....


40 posted on 02/23/2010 8:22:32 PM PST by goat granny
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To: ansel12

There are a number of issues with any technology provided to replace low tech solutions across the board.

Reducing the old style flushing mechanisms from 3 gallons per flush to 1 gallon per flush is probably a better solution. It still allows the user to flush again if the first time was insufficient.

Waterless urinals don’t get a fresh water supply. So the next problem is bring water or other liquids in to clean the urinals.

Next comes an issue of concentration of urine. Waterless urinals do not dilute the urine. They provide a lighter density fluid to act as a trap, with the heavier urine sinking below their fluidline. If that basic trapping mechanism fails, odors arise.

Another problem comes with splash or other urine not washed down around the area.

Another problem comes on the sewer system. In arid or desert regions, the waterflow might also be beneficial in general maintenance of the sewer system keeping things from getting clogged up.

last of all comes the maintenance or cleaning portion. When replacing the cartridge, it is much more likely to get one’s hands dirty, than with a water flush system, where the bulk of the area may be flushed and generally cleaned with water prior to fully cleaning the system.

Most people who clean toilets have no qualms with cleaning a relatively clean urinal, but a thoroughly filled urinal doesn’t attract many people to clean it.

I don’t recommend them and where possible prohibit their installation due to increased maintenance and costly repair solutions.

If people insist upon a waterless solution, then give them a pallet of empty plastic bags, then figure out where to take them. Rebuild the wheel, then figure out whay some low tech solutions are the most practical.

Utilities are named such because they provide the most economically efficient provision of a commonly used commodity. Go figure. (Same applies for those who refuse to drink tapwater but want bottled water from New Zealand, which has been sitting like Petri dish for months to years before consumption, with lesser codes or regulations than tapwater.)


41 posted on 02/23/2010 8:40:21 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

Man, that was one long, weird, post.

On a schedule based on average traffic, the cartridge is replaced on a schedule, which can be months apart. Someone puts on a glove or not, removes the cartridge and pops the new one in, just like they do with the ammonia cakes and the cigarette screen

Every night the janitor sprays it as you are supposed to and wipes the porcelain just like he did the old urinal and the toilets.

The toilets, lavatory sinks and the ladies room all supply plenty of water for the sewer line.

You were describing nothing and trying to make it sound like something huge.


42 posted on 02/23/2010 8:54:23 PM PST by ansel12 (Social liberal politicians in the GOP are easy for the left to turn, why is that?)
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To: ansel12

Not everybody has a janitor on a nightly basis. Many clean on a weekly basis.


43 posted on 02/23/2010 9:33:30 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

On most urinals the wash down is not all that great any way, it doesn’t cover much area so there is much surface left, plus many guys don’t bother to flush a urinal, which means your nose is directly above a urine filled p trap and often the water to the urinal isn’t on anyway so again, no benefits.

If you don’t clean the bathrooms anyway, then the tiny additional unwashed surface of a waterless urinal with a barrier blocking the p trap is about the same or even better than a typical urinal.

My experience is that the waterless urinals are in bathrooms that do receive janitor service though, I have yet to see one in a dump.


44 posted on 02/23/2010 9:43:58 PM PST by ansel12 (Social liberal politicians in the GOP are easy for the left to turn, why is that?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Can you imagine the stink? I can. The sad part is that anyone with a brain would know those things wouldn’t work properly.


45 posted on 02/24/2010 6:42:20 AM PST by calex59
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To: NormsRevenge

OK....
How many millions of dollars got wasted on THIS feel-good liberal idea???


46 posted on 02/24/2010 6:44:26 AM PST by tcrlaf (Obama White House=Tammany Hall on the National Mall)
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To: wolfcreek

Reminds me of the days in Germany when the urinals was a trough in the floor along one wall and the toilets weren’t much better. When you walked into some of those public toilets you almost fell over from the stink.


47 posted on 02/24/2010 6:46:39 AM PST by calex59
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