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The HomoCon Tipping Point: Why CPAC Was a Milestone Weekend for Gays
Big Journalism ^ | Feb 23, 2010 | Bruce Carroll

Posted on 02/23/2010 12:24:11 PM PST by DesertRenegade

(excerpt) This moment at CPAC is even more important for the conservative movement as it happened at an important time when there is already a generational change going on in America. Boomers are fading, Xer’s are ruling, and Millenials are finding their way. Forty-eight percent of those who participated in the CPAC straw poll last week identified themselves as students. They are the future of conservativism. And they shouted down an anti-gay bigot.

There will surely be other homocon-related clashes within the conservative movement, just as the Democrat Party has regularly used the gay community as pawns in their re-election schemes for decades. But as the late gay political icon Harvey Milk, who started out as a Republican, famously said:

Gay people, we will not win our rights by staying silently in our closets… We are coming out. We are coming out to fight the lies, the myths, the distortions. We are coming out to tell the truths about gays, for I am tired of the conspiracy of silence, so I’m going to talk about it. And I want you to talk about it. You must come out. Come out to your parents, your relatives.

Last week at CPAC we saw the many years of work by dedicated conservative gays and lesbians standing up for their values and the principles of freedom and liberty finally pay off. There was a tipping point for gays in America last week at CPAC. It happened because they have been coming out to their parents, friends and relatives over time… as American conservatives who just happen to be gay.

(Excerpt) Read more at bigjournalism.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
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To: DJ MacWoW

Please provide examples.


101 posted on 02/23/2010 3:57:14 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

Your WHOLE posting record. ALL of it. I have seen others tell you that you are a troll. You argue the opposite of Freepers. ALWAYS. You are antagonistic and abrasive. Normally I avoid you.


102 posted on 02/23/2010 4:10:18 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DesertRenegade

CPAC is FUBAR.


103 posted on 02/23/2010 4:14:28 PM PST by TADSLOS (Tea Party. We are the party of NO! NO to more government! NO to more spending! NO to more taxation!)
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To: trumandogz

“You are correct is that the Conservative movement can only succeed if it only includes those people that are morally pure.

Therefore, conservatives should banish those who are gay, those who have had abortions, those who have ever used illegal drugs, those who have had premarital sex and those who have torn those annoying tags off of their pillows.”


This is what you said in response to homosexual activists being included in a conservative venue where they shouted down a conservative who disagreed with their behavior and/or agenda.

We have every kind of “sinner” in the conservative movement but we don’t set up booths for them to promote their “sins.” Most conservative don’t go around loud and proud of their abortions with a booth at the conservative political events. They do that at socialist events.

CPAC permited homosexuals to promote their sexual behavior or lifestyle choice and the power to shout down the truth. Conservatives are not for promoting amorality or immorality.
We don’t support the homosexual agenda that was at CPAC.


104 posted on 02/23/2010 4:33:04 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: icwhatudo

She was not invited. The homosexuals with their agenda were given a booth and a mob of fake conservatives shouted down a man who disagreed with them. May as well have been the usual aggressive amoral and immoral socialist affair.


105 posted on 02/23/2010 4:34:38 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Frank_2001

Thank you ..
I have had many a sleepless night worrying about the tag police knocking on my door in the middle of the night..


106 posted on 02/23/2010 5:04:35 PM PST by GSP.FAN (These are the times that try men's souls.)
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To: trumandogz

“those who have torn those annoying tags off of their pillows.”

The pillow company may not remove the tag.

The owner of the pillow can.


107 posted on 02/23/2010 5:59:36 PM PST by NEW YORKCITYGOPMAN ('he who creates something worthwhile, never dies.'')
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To: SaraJohnson
Specifically, what part of the radical homo agenda were the gays pushing at CPAC?
108 posted on 02/23/2010 6:02:30 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: NEW YORKCITYGOPMAN
Oh, I see, removing that tag from the pillow is a legal activity?
109 posted on 02/23/2010 6:05:36 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

Gay marriage was the trojan issue. What issues do they reject of the homosexual agenda? They were not pushing that the perverts leave the kids alone.


110 posted on 02/23/2010 6:16:02 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: trumandogz

No that TAG must be on the pillow at the time the consumer buys it. Once it is purchased, the owner can remove the tag. That is what I have heard. That is my understanding; if I am wrong, please advise.


111 posted on 02/23/2010 6:16:27 PM PST by NEW YORKCITYGOPMAN ('he who creates something worthwhile, never dies.'')
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To: NEW YORKCITYGOPMAN

Yes pulling a tag off a pillow is legal as is being gay and having pre marital sex.


112 posted on 02/23/2010 6:22:28 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

I was at Yahoo Answers, and this is what they say about tag removals from mattresses, pillows, etc:
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The warning is not meant for consumers, but for merchants and manufacturers.

Back in the old days when business people were not as high-principled and as scrupulously honest as they are today, some manufacturers were not too picky about the materials they used to stuff mattresses and the like. So you might have ended up sleeping on vermin or stuff that could make you sick or a dead cow or something. Well, probably not a dead cow.

Anyway, the government stepped in and required them to put a tag on the product listing its contents, and it carried the warning “Do Not Remove Under Penalty of Law.” That never applied to you, just to the manufacturers and dealers, but lots of people didn’t understand that.

Nowadays the tag says, “This tag may not be removed except by the consumer.”


113 posted on 02/23/2010 6:25:34 PM PST by NEW YORKCITYGOPMAN ('he who creates something worthwhile, never dies.'')
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To: SaraJohnson

It is my understanding that the gays at CPAC were not advocating gay marriage nor were they recruiting children.


114 posted on 02/23/2010 6:25:56 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

That is not my understanding from a friend who attended CPAC.

Log Cabin Republicans (so-called conservatives all) have close ties to GLAD (you should look it up) and the main items on their agenda are: gay marriage, immigration for AIDS/HIV infected gays, and open gays in the military....hubba hubba!

Their website discusses acceptance of gay families - that is code for the queer sex re-education program targeted at other people’s kiddos in the public schools. Gladd is a “civil rights organization” for gays. It’s goal is to make this poor, offended minority a group with special rights and voice over everybody else. They sue in places they think they have the judges to force gay sex education and clubs in the public schools. Currently they are focusing their efforts on New England.

A conservative should know these things, turmandogz, so that they are not whipped up into the frenzy of mis-direction that liberals always whip up to divide conservatives. This is much more “change” than if I accept homos doing their thing while being a conservative voter - which I do. It is a political affiliation with an agenda. You should ask yourself...what is that agenda and do I want it called “conservative.” Do I want to associate with it - give legal, sexual, social and political power to it?


115 posted on 02/23/2010 7:24:48 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: stillonaroll
"Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that this is a conservative website, not a Libertarian website."
I have been on this site for over 6 years posting, with a coupla years as a lurker. The libertarians and conservatives have been tied at the hip forever, with a whole lotta overlapping ideals. This attacking the libertarians has only recently started. I am a conservative, with libertarian leanings. I believe the government has no place in my life. I believe that government interference with my civil liberties is just plain wrong. I believe in smaller government, lower taxes, and the projection of freedom. If this means I am not a conservative, so be it....
116 posted on 02/24/2010 4:15:00 AM PST by joe fonebone (CPAC.....Commies Playing At Conservatism)
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To: Grunthor

So, in answering my question, you stand for storm troopers issuing no knock warrants, dressed an ninja’s, shooting first and asking questions later? There was a woman in georgia, a little old lady, shot dead in her home because of a no knock warrant based upon a bad tip from a drug user. I guess from your answer you support this. Sorry, you are no conservative if you believe this...not a libertarian issue, but a civil rights issue...


117 posted on 02/24/2010 4:18:15 AM PST by joe fonebone (CPAC.....Commies Playing At Conservatism)
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To: Beagle8U

“The only thing they are conservative on is guns and taxes.”

Not really. There’s that entire “size and scope of government” thing. That isn’t just a tax issue, it’s an issue of liberty and constitutionality.


118 posted on 02/24/2010 7:01:14 AM PST by Pessimist (u)
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To: joe fonebone

“storm troopers issuing no knock warrants, dressed an ninja’s, shooting first and asking questions later”

I guessed it, you’re a liberaltarian.


119 posted on 02/24/2010 7:19:50 AM PST by Grunthor (The more people I meet, the more I love my dogs.)
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To: Grunthor

If you applaud the paramilitarization of domestic police forces and see no problem with no-knock raids and civil asset forfeiture prior to any conviction in a court of law, you’re no conservative; you’re authoritarian.

Calling oneself conservative, and advocating the undermining of Constitutional protections, which is in fact the law, in order to enforce another law, is inherently disordered thinking. There are justified limits upon what police may legally do in pursuit of crime or suspected crime. To believe otherwise is contrary to everything for which our Founders stood.

If you can’t see this, you deserve to get hauled out of your own home and frog marched to some kangaroo court for denying global warming, or saying homosexuality is wrong, come some fine, future day in this burgeoning Obama nation.


120 posted on 02/24/2010 7:31:42 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

“If you applaud the paramilitarization of domestic police forces”

A SWAT officer once saved my cousins life.

“and see no problem with no-knock raids and civil asset forfeiture prior to any conviction in a court of law,”

Don’t smoke dope. You see, it is my firm belief that to Liberaltarians what you posted are symptoms of the thing that you folks hate the most, the drug war.

I’ve been right all these years. You scratch a Liberaltarian and you will find a pothead that just wants to get fried and not be hassled by “the man.”


121 posted on 02/24/2010 7:39:31 AM PST by Grunthor (The more people I meet, the more I love my dogs.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

“and advocating the undermining of Constitutional protections”

Where did I advocate for that? Do you have a constitutionally protected right to smoke dope?


122 posted on 02/24/2010 7:41:19 AM PST by Grunthor (The more people I meet, the more I love my dogs.)
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To: Grunthor

John Hancock.

A man who drank rum from morning to night. A man who was a rum runner.

America’s Founder, John Hancock.

Hooray for Liberty!


Natural Law does NOT ban drugs. It does ban sexual perversion.


123 posted on 02/24/2010 7:42:08 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw

“Natural Law does NOT ban drugs.”

Is there not a Liberaltarian forum for you folks?


124 posted on 02/24/2010 7:49:19 AM PST by Grunthor (The more people I meet, the more I love my dogs.)
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To: Grunthor

You are more of a tyrannist. And you have not idea what Natural Law means, do you?


125 posted on 02/24/2010 7:56:15 AM PST by bvw
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To: Grunthor

The more I learn about dogs, the more I understand people.


126 posted on 02/24/2010 7:57:15 AM PST by bvw
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To: Grunthor

In your zeal to prosecute a certain sort of crime, that you find particularly odious, you’re willing to throw every protection from abusive governmental authority out the window. It’ll come back to bite you, and me, and every other citizen who just wants to live a reasonably free life, without constant intrusion.

Here’s an exercise for you: substitute “pothead” with any leftist bogeyman you can come up with. Chances are, you can plausibly be categorized as one or several of them. Abuse of authority does not stop with the crimes you deem worthy of authoritarian abuse. It spreads. History shows us that.

You deserve everything you’re asking for, here, if you can’t see this.

And, for the record, I do not smoke marijuana. I do, however, believe global warming is a scam, that abortion is wrong, that homosexuality is immoral and that Janet Napolitano is a dangerously incompetent boob who would raid my house because I fit her particular take on “extremist” for believing the aforementioned.

Chances are, you do too, otherwise you wouldn’t be a FReeper.


127 posted on 02/24/2010 8:01:02 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Grunthor

I have a Constitutional right to be secure in my person, to be free from having my property seized for a supposed crime for which I have not even been tried, let alone convicted.

This is what you’re advocating. You’re no conservative. You’re authoritarian, at best.


128 posted on 02/24/2010 8:04:11 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: bvw

“You are more of a tyrannist. And you have not idea what Natural Law means, do you?”

I’ve been around enough to know not to argue with pothea....uh, Liberaltarians so I am quitting this thread after this post.

I will leave you with these questions to which I expect no answers, then I am quitting this thread;

1. Are Liberatarians truly defenders of the Constitution or (like hippies) do you just smoke pot and smell bad?

2. Have you lost your way, the reason you became a Liberaltarian, just so that you can get high on your drug of choice?

3. Is that as noble a cause as the original purpose of the Liberaltarians?


129 posted on 02/24/2010 8:05:36 AM PST by Grunthor (The more people I meet, the more I love my dogs.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Do you have a constitutionally protected right to smoke dope?


130 posted on 02/24/2010 8:06:26 AM PST by Grunthor (The more people I meet, the more I love my dogs.)
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To: RobRoy
In addition:

Romans

26God let them follow their own evil desires. Women no longer wanted to have sex in a natural way, and they did things with each other that were not natural. 27Men behaved in the same way. They stopped wanting to have sex with women and had strong desires for sex with other men. They did shameful things with each other, and what has happened to them is punishment for their foolish deeds.

131 posted on 02/24/2010 8:09:07 AM PST by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: Grunthor

You are an idiot. You might has well be a super-weed doper pot head, for the sheer idiocy of that post.


132 posted on 02/24/2010 8:11:33 AM PST by bvw
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To: Grunthor
Do you have a constitutionally protected right to smoke dope?

As I told you before, I do not smoke marijuana.

133 posted on 02/24/2010 8:19:00 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: trumandogz
I don’t think i said that I advocate the homo agenda.

By reading your posts, you sure come close.

134 posted on 02/24/2010 8:22:08 AM PST by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: bvw

I suspect it’s just a generational thing, old age brain lock.

How anybody thinks we can have the Soviet Union for one sort of crime, but still be safe and secure in our beliefs and possessions under the Constitution when accused of other crimes, or even trumped up violation of regulations, is beyond me.


135 posted on 02/24/2010 8:23:20 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

ditto on that.


136 posted on 02/24/2010 8:35:14 AM PST by bvw
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To: RegulatorCountry

Brain lock occurs at any age.


137 posted on 02/24/2010 8:36:57 AM PST by bvw
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To: trumandogz
"...the Conservative movement can only succeed if it only includes those people that are morally pure. ..."

you are way off base. the Conservative movement can only succeed if it includes those people that make a sincere attempt to be morally pure.

Homosexuality is a constant vice, like the flowing of a river. It is not an isolated event.

138 posted on 02/24/2010 10:18:41 AM PST by I Buried My Guns
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To: joe fonebone
I believe the government has no place in my life.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

No public roads, no prisons, no military, no border patrol, no government schools?

Oh wait, I favor abolishing government schools. Guess I agree with the Libertarians about something. :)

139 posted on 02/24/2010 7:21:18 PM PST by stillonaroll (Nominate a non-RINO in 2012!)
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To: stillonaroll

Unfortunatly, I have to pay taxes. In exchange for these taxes paid, I expect certain services. I expect to able to get to work on a road that does not destroy my vehicle ( I live in michiganstan, and they have not maintained the roads here since I was a young man ), I expect police protection, I expect fire protection, and ambulance service...that is about all I expect for my taxes....perhaps I could have worded this a little better..When someone agrees with you 50% of the time, they are your ally, and my big problem here lately are people trying to alienate the libertarians from conservatives...we are indeed joined at the hip. If we are not joined at the hip, then we are cousins with each other. Lets go get the rino’s instead of ripping each other apart..


140 posted on 02/25/2010 4:08:48 AM PST by joe fonebone (CPAC.....Commies Playing At Conservatism)
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