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US Navy lifts ban on women in submarines: officials
AFP ^ | 2/23/2010 | AFP

Posted on 02/23/2010 4:37:04 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld

The US navy has decided to allow women to serve on submarines, Pentagon officials said on Tuesday, ending one of the last all-male bastions in the American military.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates approved the recommendation and sent letters to Congress on Monday informing lawmakers of the plan, officials said.

Navy Secretary Ray Mabus and Admiral Gary Roughead, chief of naval operations, had briefed Gates on the change and "he's endorsed it and sent it on to Congress," press secretary Geoff Morrell told reporters.

Lawmakers have 30 days to comment on the move before it goes into effect, officials said.

American women can already serve on the Navy's fleet of warships and fly fighter aircraft but nuclear-powered subs have remained off limits.

US naval officers previously cited the extremely tight quarters of a submarine as the main reason for the prohibition, but those who favor lifting the ban say subs could be outfitted with separate berths and bathrooms.

The decision calls for "a phased approach to assigning women on submarines," said a defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

One option under consideration would to first allow female officers to serve on submarines, the official told AFP.

That approach would involve less sweeping change as officers already have separate quarters from enlisted service members, the official said.

The first group of female officers selected for the duty would have to attend special training for submarines and for nuclear-powered vessels that takes more than a year, the official added.

Top military officer Admiral Mike Mullen first called for the change in written testimony to Congress last year, saying he wanted to "continue to broaden opportunities for women" in the armed forces.

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1 posted on 02/23/2010 4:37:06 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove

Fighting force or social experiment?

Talk amongst yourselves.


2 posted on 02/23/2010 4:38:25 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: sonofstrangelove

Well, as long as we feel good about the decision.


3 posted on 02/23/2010 4:38:42 PM PST by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Diversity
Security

PICK ONE


4 posted on 02/23/2010 4:39:17 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Dumb

dumb

dumb


5 posted on 02/23/2010 4:39:46 PM PST by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Just like the subs, they’ll be full of seamen.


6 posted on 02/23/2010 4:40:16 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham ("Did I give you carbolic acid? I'd love to.")
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To: sonofstrangelove
Nothing new, really ...


7 posted on 02/23/2010 4:40:24 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Hot bunking just took on a whole new meaning.


8 posted on 02/23/2010 4:41:12 PM PST by TADSLOS (Tea Party. We are the party of NO! NO to more government! NO to more spending! NO to more taxation!)
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To: sonofstrangelove

So... Are they going to have a midwife onboard or an abortionist?


9 posted on 02/23/2010 4:41:59 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Someone should start the “first pregnant person to be evac’d from a Sub in open water” pool. Won’t that be fun loading a pregnant woman onto a helo basket in the middle of the North Atlantic?


10 posted on 02/23/2010 4:42:03 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: sonofstrangelove

“Dive, dive”!


11 posted on 02/23/2010 4:42:16 PM PST by Signalman
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To: sonofstrangelove

The Sex Pistols, Friggin’ in the Riggin’...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV6R0I2oHKY


12 posted on 02/23/2010 4:42:59 PM PST by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Top military officer Admiral Mike Mullen first called for the change in written testimony to Congress last year, saying he wanted to "continue to broaden opportunities for women" in the armed forces.

Hey, Mike, how about broadening combat effectiveness of the military, you social engineering putz.

13 posted on 02/23/2010 4:43:12 PM PST by TADSLOS (Tea Party. We are the party of NO! NO to more government! NO to more spending! NO to more taxation!)
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To: Bobkk47

Just what kind of ‘diving’ were you insinuating there?


14 posted on 02/23/2010 4:43:29 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Bobkk47

Prepare to snorkel!


15 posted on 02/23/2010 4:43:41 PM PST by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: TADSLOS

Sooner they can have 100% female crews, the better.


16 posted on 02/23/2010 4:44:07 PM PST by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Good call. What else do we have to do with our money than to retrofit our entire fleet of boats for absolutely no practical reason?


17 posted on 02/23/2010 4:44:19 PM PST by skeeter
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To: sonofstrangelove

The albatross has landed and the Navy has gone down full stern ahead.


18 posted on 02/23/2010 4:44:21 PM PST by Birdsbane ("Onward through the fog!" ... Oat Willie)
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To: Bean Counter

Hahahahaha....Foghorn Leghorn!


19 posted on 02/23/2010 4:44:24 PM PST by jessduntno (Don't vote party or candidate; VOTE REPUBLIC!)
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To: sonofstrangelove

I was more shocked to find the Ray Mabus is the U.S Secretary of the Navy. Lord help us all.


20 posted on 02/23/2010 4:44:37 PM PST by oyez ( damnant quod non intelligunt)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Un-G*d damn real.

FTN.

The only thing that can cure this country is a meteor, the plague, or something unthinkable.

Our brass are a bunch of scumbag “yes” men. I weep for the future. Seriously.


21 posted on 02/23/2010 4:45:38 PM PST by SubmarineNuke (To the Sea I shall return)
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To: Diogenesis
Diversity
Security
PICK ONE


How about, Political Correctness?
22 posted on 02/23/2010 4:45:38 PM PST by Signalman
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To: RinaseaofDs

In 1983 I was in the Navy and was put in a group and asked about this possibility. Two people stood up and said, “what difference do our opinions make?”

They were right. They’re going to do what they’re going to do.


23 posted on 02/23/2010 4:45:48 PM PST by rbosque (11 year Freeper! Combat Economist.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Party time!


24 posted on 02/23/2010 4:46:14 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: JennysCool

Hmmm
25 posted on 02/23/2010 4:46:40 PM PST by mc5cents
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To: OldDeckHand

this is going to be interesting; espcially on board a fast attack like I was on. You had to go outside to change your mind.


26 posted on 02/23/2010 4:46:49 PM PST by brivette (paper)
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To: sonofstrangelove

In other news, the Obama administration announced that it was seeking unionized companies to bid on a Navy RFP to install screen doors on the submarine fleet...


27 posted on 02/23/2010 4:47:14 PM PST by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: sonofstrangelove

Run slilent, run deep.


28 posted on 02/23/2010 4:48:26 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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To: oyez
"I was more shocked to find the Ray Mabus is the U.S Secretary of the Navy. Lord help us all."

Yep, they sneaked him in during the middle of the summer recess. Winter stuck around for a while after Bush left, maybe 'till the end of spring.

On a better note, I was surprised to here McCugh (sp?) former NY Congressman and current Secretary of the Army say - on the record, and in an open hearing - that letting gays serve openly in the military was a bad, bad idea. I about fell off my chair.

29 posted on 02/23/2010 4:48:44 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: SubmarineNuke

I was a former navy nuke submariner as well. a long time ago.


30 posted on 02/23/2010 4:49:42 PM PST by brivette (paper)
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To: sonofstrangelove; Travis McGee; Squantos

Good lord...I just had a conversation today with a newly minted airborne kid from 101st describing to me how High School football Summer practice in pads in Dothan Alabama was far worse than anything ARMY bootcamp threw at them today due to having to accomodate girls.

I told him maybe he shoulda thought about Marines?

(that may have changed too)

we are a cookoo society


31 posted on 02/23/2010 4:50:08 PM PST by wardaddy (Epic Beard Man sez: "If you think cops are pigs next time you need help call an amber lamps")
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To: OldDeckHand

Up para scope!


32 posted on 02/23/2010 4:50:29 PM PST by DanielRedfoot (What a fool believes, No wise man has the power to reason away)
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To: Solitar
Sooner they can have 100% female crews, the better.

As long as they have a 4 day monthly stand down while on patrol to avoid tripping a rage induced nuc.

33 posted on 02/23/2010 4:51:25 PM PST by TADSLOS (Tea Party. We are the party of NO! NO to more government! NO to more spending! NO to more taxation!)
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To: TADSLOS
continue to broaden opportunities for women

the military exists at the pleasure to employ women and queers so they can broaden their opportunities...who knew?

34 posted on 02/23/2010 4:51:27 PM PST by wardaddy (Epic Beard Man sez: "If you think cops are pigs next time you need help call an amber lamps")
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To: wardaddy

I agree


35 posted on 02/23/2010 4:51:33 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: Diogenesis; Travis McGee

Take her down to periscope depth Ensign Aimee !


36 posted on 02/23/2010 4:51:50 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Suicidal. Internal enemy wins another battle. Nice.

I’m sure the Russkies and ChiComs are happy.


37 posted on 02/23/2010 4:51:55 PM PST by Moe Tzadik
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To: babygene
That, of course, is a quite relevant question. I've known people who went on what they otherwise call "6 month cruises".

The feminist fanatics probably think these missions can be cut short or stops at sea can be made to remove the affected person(s).

I feel the MAD doctrine that's kept us safe from other folk's ICBMs crumbling at our feet.

Better up the fire insurance coverage and buy more guns.

38 posted on 02/23/2010 4:52:04 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: sonofstrangelove

Probably less opportunity for hanky panky on a sub than on any other ship in the fleet.


39 posted on 02/23/2010 4:53:19 PM PST by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: brivette
"this is going to be interesting; espcially on board a fast attack like I was on. You had to go outside to change your mind."

This is why I submitted my request to be added to the retirement list shortly after Obama took office. I knew people were going to lose their minds, but I must say, even this is surprising.

40 posted on 02/23/2010 4:54:03 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: sonofstrangelove

This policy exemplifies radical social tinkering at its worst. Perhaps, if enough qualified women apply for the gig, the Navy might consider an all female crew; a women’s sub. Women are highly competent, intelligent, competitive, and sufficiently mean as warriors. However, the mixing of males and females in that confined domain is obviously foolish. Think about other dubious mixes: cigars & gasoline, cats & dogs, Whiskey & machinery. We cannot afford to experiment with a potent and crucial leg of our defensive triad. The submarine force is not a college dorm. It must remain in highly effective operational status. This idea is FUBAR.


41 posted on 02/23/2010 4:54:28 PM PST by CharlesThe Hammer
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To: TADSLOS

Or he wanted to women opportunities for broads.


42 posted on 02/23/2010 4:54:30 PM PST by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: oyez

MABUS!!!!!


43 posted on 02/23/2010 4:54:59 PM PST by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: wardaddy

Well what do you expect from this crew? They think that corporations exist only to employ people. Profits? Evil! Shareholders? Greedy!


44 posted on 02/23/2010 4:56:19 PM PST by mc5cents
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To: SubmarineNuke

“The only thing that can cure this country is a meteor, the plague, or something unthinkable.”

Actually if the unthinkable was to happen covering the 30 mile radius encompassing DC, the rest of this country might survive. Make Calif. part of Mexico of course.


45 posted on 02/23/2010 4:57:11 PM PST by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: sonofstrangelove

More social experiments putting our national security at risk. Combat effectiveness?....Bah, humbug.


46 posted on 02/23/2010 4:57:32 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: GenXteacher

I agree with you.


47 posted on 02/23/2010 4:58:07 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: OldDeckHand
Mabus had a two year naval career. He must have been a 40-day wonder or maybe out on a hardship.

He was in to late to be part of the McNamara program. ;->

48 posted on 02/23/2010 5:00:27 PM PST by oyez ( damnant quod non intelligunt)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Whatever it takes, OBOZO is out to destroy AMERICA! Its Healthcare! Its Military! Its Industry! Its International Trade! Its Infrastructure! Its Christian Citizens! Its Financial Institutions! Its Cultural Heritage! ITs HISTORY! You Name, OBOZO is out to Destroy IT!
Ask why Everything about OBOZO’S Past has been Erased and or Locked UP! Has that ever been done with another President? We knew almost everything about Kerry (except his Form 180), and every blasted trivial detail and breath of air that George Bush took! and we knew Clintoon had a Nose like a Hoover Vacuum Cleaneraccording to his own brother, Roger!! Lets call this Fraud, they call OBOZO or Obama or Obummer or only ALLAH really knows this Bas******’s name in all probability..:-( and PUTIN of course..


49 posted on 02/23/2010 5:02:34 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: mc5cents

Oh, and to pay taxes! Forgot the big one.


50 posted on 02/23/2010 5:02:43 PM PST by mc5cents
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