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Pentagon to Allow Women to Serve Aboard Navy Submarines
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Posted on 02/23/2010 4:57:11 PM PST by Bottom_Gun

The Pentagon will lift a decades-old policy that prohibits women from serving aboard Navy submarines.

WASHINGTON -- The Pentagon has moved to lift a decades-old policy that prohibits women from serving aboard Navy submarines, part of a gradual reconsideration of women's roles in a military fighting two wars whose front lines can be anywhere.

At issue is the end of a policy that kept women from serving aboard the last type of ship off-limits to them. The thinking was that the close quarters aboard subs would make coed service difficult to manage.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates notified Congress in a letter signed Friday that the Navy intends to repeal the ban on women sailors on subs. Congress has 30 days to weigh in.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


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OK, Just saw this on fox, found the story at the web-site. As a retired bubblhead Myself and my Wife Navy_Gal, also a Navy retiree, sat here shaking our heads knowing they're opening a whole new can of warms now!

Comments at the source are starting to get good!

1 posted on 02/23/2010 4:57:11 PM PST by Bottom_Gun
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To: Bottom_Gun
It will certainly give the term, hot bunking, a new meaning.
2 posted on 02/23/2010 5:01:18 PM PST by Nosterrex
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To: Bottom_Gun

Wow....another bad idea..... go have junior born on board before the tour is over.


3 posted on 02/23/2010 5:01:22 PM PST by pointsal ( try MagicJack if you have had enough of Verizon)
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To: Bottom_Gun

I’m sure they’ll be homosexuals also.


4 posted on 02/23/2010 5:04:43 PM PST by donna (SarahPAC has donated money to...(wait for it)...Lindsey Graham!)
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To: Bottom_Gun

Not a good idea.


5 posted on 02/23/2010 5:05:04 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Bottom_Gun

dumb, dumb and dumb


6 posted on 02/23/2010 5:05:51 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Bottom_Gun

Gates & Mullen are trying to turn the Navy into a giant whorehouse. They are extreme PC whores, and both certifiably crazy.


7 posted on 02/23/2010 5:06:06 PM PST by molybdenum ((A nation without borders is not a nation......Ronald Reagan.))
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To: Nosterrex

No more extra socks! MM! SSN621


8 posted on 02/23/2010 5:07:53 PM PST by tom paine 2
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To: Bottom_Gun

They already did this on Down Periscope. And the lady on that sub, she ended up getting promoted to Director of NCIS.


9 posted on 02/23/2010 5:07:54 PM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: donna

“I’m sure they’ll be homosexuals also.”

Unfortunately there already are. These degenerates will never be happy and won’t stop until everyone is forced to acknowledge that homosexuality is “normal and honorable.”


10 posted on 02/23/2010 5:08:38 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Bottom_Gun
"... shaking our heads knowing they're opening a whole new can of warms now!"

Warms. What are they?

(Smile!)

11 posted on 02/23/2010 5:09:11 PM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: Bottom_Gun

This is stupid and does does not spell ‘national security’. Good grief! What is wrong with these people. Never mind; we all know what is wrong.


12 posted on 02/23/2010 5:11:53 PM PST by cricket (Proud to be the 'Party of NO')
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To: James C. Bennett

Arrrghhhh...you got me ;)


13 posted on 02/23/2010 5:11:59 PM PST by Bottom_Gun (Crush depth dummy - proud NRA member & Certified Instructor)
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To: Bottom_Gun

Robert Gates has been a lousy Sec of defense.


14 posted on 02/23/2010 5:12:20 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Bottom_Gun
"Hey, sailor - is that a Mark 48 torpedo in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?"


15 posted on 02/23/2010 5:13:05 PM PST by Viking2002 (Old fishermen never die. They just smell that way.)
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To: Bottom_Gun

bad idea...


16 posted on 02/23/2010 5:13:42 PM PST by Gipper08 (a real conservative for Congress... travishankins.com)
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To: Bottom_Gun

Like hot biscuits at the breakfast table. Mmm mmm mmm.


17 posted on 02/23/2010 5:15:56 PM PST by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: donna

18 posted on 02/23/2010 5:17:34 PM PST by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: Bottom_Gun

Lunacy.


19 posted on 02/23/2010 5:24:24 PM PST by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: Bottom_Gun

Unfreakin’ believable! This is one of the dumbest ideas yet.


20 posted on 02/23/2010 5:30:12 PM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: Bottom_Gun
Once again the issue of "fairness" is raised as a reason to change military policy. No one who supports this of course explains how this change will make the Navy better at what it does.

I would think of all the worst things that happened to the past couple of generations of Americans is the instilling of the idea that everything, no matter how inherently or unalterably unfair, must be made to be fair, no matter what the costs.

I'm also going to go out on a limb and guess that no US sub has the extra room for a maternity ward and day care center either.

21 posted on 02/23/2010 5:30:48 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Bottom_Gun

Those are the people who control politics from both sides, folks. Let ‘em do their thing, but don’t help ‘em with it. And survive. Most of the rest of you are going to lose your jobs. Realize that first. Avoid unnecessary personal expenses. Become more self-sufficient. Start a hobby of making something useful (not little pretties, “crafts,” etc.). ...something like steel castings, parts, tools, food, clothing, etc.


22 posted on 02/23/2010 5:35:08 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: pointsal
Wow....another bad idea..... go have junior born on board before the tour is over.

Just wait - the XO or someone will have to give up their cabin; the space will be needed for a Lactation Room. Can't you just see that written on the bulkhead in military stencil?

23 posted on 02/23/2010 5:42:34 PM PST by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Charles Martel

Maybe Big Sis can clarify the type of female expected to qualify for the service.


24 posted on 02/23/2010 5:44:02 PM PST by pointsal ( try MagicJack if you have had enough of Verizon)
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To: Nosterrex
It will certainly give the term, hot bunking, a new meaning

For those that don't know, hot bunking is one rack (bed) being shared. One works and the other sleeps... swap.

I can only hope she will overlap the "sleeping/working" part, For moral ya know :-)

Seriously,,, does she sleep with the crew or have a private room (that does not exist) like the Captain?

25 posted on 02/23/2010 5:45:14 PM PST by MrPiper
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To: Bottom_Gun

I agree it’s not a good idea. Perhaps they’ll just have an all female crew.


26 posted on 02/23/2010 5:45:21 PM PST by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: pointsal
The "Seaman Hornsby / pig boats" scene from Operation Petticoat springs immediately to mind.
27 posted on 02/23/2010 5:47:02 PM PST by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Bottom_Gun

28 posted on 02/23/2010 5:50:35 PM PST by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: Charles Martel

...what about the coxswain?


29 posted on 02/23/2010 5:51:38 PM PST by pointsal ( try MagicJack if you have had enough of Verizon)
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Perhaps they’ll just have an all female crew.

That was under consideration during the final year of George W. Bush's presidency. The Navy was considering an all-female crew for a Los Angeles-class attack boat. Maybe more than one, but an article linked here earlier today even identified the CO of the first all-female SSN.

The plan was to be implemented by 2009; I can only assume that it was postponed or the Navy reconsidered. You can bet that if they'd moved forward with that plan, it would've been in ALL the papers.

30 posted on 02/23/2010 5:52:45 PM PST by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Bottom_Gun
...decades-old policy ...

Since when does decades-old mean 'NEVER'?

31 posted on 02/23/2010 5:52:54 PM PST by Pan_Yan (Is the sarcasm tag really necessary?)
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To: Nosterrex

There is also a joke about seamen somewhere in this story.


32 posted on 02/23/2010 5:53:26 PM PST by earlJam
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To: Bottom_Gun

Another stupid idea from idiots. STS2/SS


33 posted on 02/23/2010 5:54:07 PM PST by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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One week it’s Corpse Men, the next week it’s Sea Men.

When will this insanity end?????? LOL


34 posted on 02/23/2010 5:54:50 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (There is nothing Democratic about the Democrat Party...)
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I wonder how many bubbleheads were involved in this decision making process. My guess is none.

This is an absolute disaster in the making. It will do NOTHING to improve the war fighting readiness of US submarines, and statistics in fact PROVE that the opposite has occurred on all other co-ed sea going platforms. What then is the point? This is obviously PC BS!!

One guaranteed result of this is that there will be an exodus of highly qualified extremely competent submariners from the force. Submarine life is incredibly stressful as it is. This decision will force many good men to simply leave, rather than tolerate such an increase in hostility and antagonism. It’s a cost/benefit calculation....and many will just come to the conclusion that it’s simply not worth it anymore.

BTW...the idea that we can correct human nature and biology by fiat is a purely socialistic and insane one.


35 posted on 02/23/2010 5:56:20 PM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: bmwcyle
Another stupid idea from idiots. STS2/SS

I guess all the jokes about shower techs being women will have to stop.
-MM1(SS)

36 posted on 02/23/2010 5:57:06 PM PST by Pan_Yan (Is the sarcasm tag really necessary?)
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I've heard that when a group of Women are together in a confined space for a period (pardon the pun) of time, their Menstrual Cycles synchronize.

If that's true, the Ruskies and Chicoms had better hope they don't start trouble during the wrong time of the month.

37 posted on 02/23/2010 6:03:29 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (There is nothing Democratic about the Democrat Party...)
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To: rottndog
I wonder how many bubbleheads were involved in this decision making process. My guess is none.

Maybe the idea came from here.

38 posted on 02/23/2010 6:09:41 PM PST by Pan_Yan (Is the sarcasm tag really necessary?)
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When I was in the sandbox I can recall becoming so sensitive to females, due to a lack of sexual activity, that I could walk past various sleeping quarters (aka hooches) and tell there was a female inside just from my raw senses. I could literally smell them and I don’t mean their perfume. Human sexual desire doesn’t go away in a warzone or in a pressurized can under the ocean. Bad idea...


39 posted on 02/23/2010 6:16:13 PM PST by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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So, does this mean women on subs will “go down”?

I can’t believe I said that!


40 posted on 02/23/2010 6:18:49 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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Oh....I said Bubbleheads....not Bobbing head...


41 posted on 02/23/2010 6:19:49 PM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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I could literally smell them and I don’t mean their perfume.

If it was that strong for you in open air, imagine what recycled air in an enclosed space will do. Wow

42 posted on 02/23/2010 6:19:50 PM PST by AFreeBird
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The women were just as bad as the guys when it came to unauthorized sexual activity. Girls who you would never think would cheat on their husband or boyfriend back home were getting their fair share...

They called it “bunker love.”


43 posted on 02/23/2010 6:25:22 PM PST by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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No BS, one Marine spent a year as a single Dad while his wife deployed. He was a great Dad, he was on my base soccer team and the kids came to the practices and games. Wife came home, told him she found her “soul mate” in Iraq and divorced him. No worrier on the subs, just before deployment, females that do not want to deploy can get pregnant and take their million dollar nuke training on the open market.
44 posted on 02/23/2010 6:32:17 PM PST by OldGoatCPO
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Yea, I imagine the smell of men would be just as strong for the girls, probably more so since they generally have better sense of smell, than the guys.

Yea, this is a bad idea.

45 posted on 02/23/2010 6:33:39 PM PST by AFreeBird
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In Saudi we had to run along the flightline, we had to pass to female heads. We smelled them too and it was not perfume.


46 posted on 02/23/2010 6:34:54 PM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: Bottom_Gun

What does Gates and Mullen’s have against the Navy?


47 posted on 02/23/2010 6:36:04 PM PST by OldGoatCPO
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Destroying the military is a big part of the America-hating left's agenda to destroy traditional America.

Congratulations, America, on your "historic" election.


48 posted on 02/23/2010 6:38:00 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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Just what do the wives and girlfriends of the submariners think about this policy change?


49 posted on 02/23/2010 6:40:06 PM PST by hal ogen
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To: Bottom_Gun

So let’s see— take an Ohio class SSBN (submersible ship ballistic nuclear) a missile boat. These have 24 missile tubes each with a missile tipped with 8 multiple reentry warheads (MRV) each one of which is 475 kilotons, or 24 times the tonnage of Fat Man (Hiroshima atomic bomb). So that’s 8x24x475kilotons=91,200 kilotons of firepower. You put into this submarine a mixture of single, married and otherwise attached mixed crew of both sexes and you place them in 400 plus feet underwater. Mix generously during 3 month patrol as part of our nuclear deterrent triad (bombers, land missiles, subs). This is NOT a carrier, it is so sophisticated that any ONE little thing can go wrong and the vessel is LOST, immediately. The Israelis abandoned any attempt of this sort of thing, and also of an all female crew, even switched out (Blue and Gold crews both all female). The discipline effects of this have been well documented. Anyone within the submarine community (who were not asked, I assure you) will tell you HOW BAD THIS IS. We should all write to the appropriate congress people. This is NO place for social experimentation. It was Patsy Schroeder that started all this, and it has weakened our readiness— period. That is all.. (family of submariners from before WWII) This is simply insane. An entire crew with all the females with synchronized PMS?!! No other country does this, except maybe New Zealand. Incredible. And what are our enemies doing? Not this you can be sure.


50 posted on 02/23/2010 6:44:50 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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