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CA: Statewide Ad Blitz Warns of Soaring Class Sizes, Toll on Students
California Teachers Association ^ | February 16, 2010 | Mike Myslinski

Posted on 02/24/2010 4:22:05 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

BURLINGAME – Taking to the airwaves to sound the alarm about stopping cuts to public education, the California Teachers Association today launched radio ads statewide underscoring the toll on students from cuts.

The radio ads reflect the dire concerns witnessed by educators reeling from $17 billion in California education cuts over the last two years, the largest cuts since the Great Depression. Instead of investing in education, the governor is proposing new education cuts of $2.5 billion. The state ranks 46th in education spending, while a new UCLA study shows state cuts led to increased class sizes in 74 percent of elementary schools, and that 70 percent of all schools surveyed reduced or eliminated summer school.

“The cuts to my school are devastating,” one teacher says in the ad. “Just the increase in class size. I have 20 students and all of a sudden it's 33.”

Another educator warns of the consequences from soaring class sizes. “There's a lot of competition to get into college and with a lot of competition for attention from the teacher, some kids aren't going to make it because they're not getting what they need individually from the teacher.”

“We've brought you this message because investing in our public schools and colleges is essential to building a stronger California for all of us,” David A. Sanchez, president of the 325,000-member CTA, says in the ad. “On March 4th, join students, educators and parents for a 'Day of Action' to stop these education cuts.”

Sanchez urges the public to go to the CTA social networking website -- StandUpFor Schools.org -- to learn more about the crisis. The website reveals the groundswell of March 4 protest events against school cuts in cities across the state as educators join working families and other unions taking a stand against state cuts to schools, health care for children, and to vital social services for the poor and elderly.

The 60-second ads are airing through March 4 on 84 radio stations, including Spanish-, Asian- and Native American-language stations. Listen to the ads at cta.org or StandUpFor Schools.org.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; dope; failure; promiscuity; revenues; socialism; unions
LA is broke. SF is broke. CA is broke. But, public employee union parasites keep running the same playbook.
1 posted on 02/24/2010 4:22:05 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

public school teachers.....organized criminals.


2 posted on 02/24/2010 4:26:44 AM PST by rrrod
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Push along with them for more spending. They’ll run completely out of money and shut up sooner. ;-)

And how will the government “printing press” (re. fabricated financial instruments) keep them going, when the fake revenues will be worthless? That tactic worked, when we were producing something to steal revenues from. But that’s nearly all gone. There’s a big default ahead of us all. Yea! ;-)


3 posted on 02/24/2010 4:27:01 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

How about cutting loose the kids who don’t want to be there. Many kids today don’t want to go to school. They cause disruptions, fail every class due to lack of effort, and basically cause headaches for teachers and those students wanting to learn. Class sizes will go from 33 to 15 in an instant.


4 posted on 02/24/2010 4:28:31 AM PST by wombtotomb
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To: wombtotomb

“Many kids today don’t want to go to school.”
Instead of continually giving to those that don’t want to work for anything, how about giving them a choice?

Choose between learning or 8 hours a day on a chain gang filling pot holes and cutting weeds.


5 posted on 02/24/2010 4:38:08 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 393)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Here in the Dallas - Ft Worth area, the local news people are always visiting elementary school classes. I never see more than 10 or 12 students in any class.

Texas is public school teacher poor. If we took the trillions of dollars that are sucked out of the economy in the name of public education and allowed the tax payers to invest it, Texas would be a world-class economy.

The public school system is nothing more than a make work project to keep demoRat voters employed.

6 posted on 02/24/2010 4:40:49 AM PST by Texas Jack (No, I'm the Tea Party leader)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Reap what you've sown.

No sympathy for them. PERIOD!

7 posted on 02/24/2010 4:42:55 AM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I wonder how many students they’d have in their class if all the illegals went home?


8 posted on 02/24/2010 4:44:52 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Class size is little relevant to quality education. Class sie, however, does impinge on the number of teachers contributing money to the Unions.


9 posted on 02/24/2010 4:55:18 AM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: rrrod

public school teachers.....organized criminals.

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Yes, you said it. Teachers complain about the pay and yet have hundreds of thousands of dollars to run ads complaining about pay. If they didn’t have union dues, teachers would have more take home pay even though they already earn decent salaries and benefits. Unions are parasites, plain and simple.


10 posted on 02/24/2010 5:00:12 AM PST by reaganbooster (The democrat party symbol should be the grim reaper instead of the donkey.)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
Choose between learning or 8 hours a day on a chain gang filling pot holes and cutting weeds

That's the best idea I've seen in quite a while.

11 posted on 02/24/2010 5:13:51 AM PST by thethirddegree
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Maybe they should cut non teaching positions to cooks, janitors and one principal per school.


12 posted on 02/24/2010 5:17:11 AM PST by listenhillary (the only reason government wants to be our provider is so it may become our master)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“public employee union parasites keep running the same playbook.”

It is soooo nauseating!!!


13 posted on 02/24/2010 5:17:23 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: listenhillary
Maybe they should cut non teaching positions to cooks, janitors and one principal per school.

Make the parents do that stuff.

14 posted on 02/24/2010 5:19:21 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain.)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
Choose between learning or 8 hours a day on a chain gang filling pot holes and cutting weeds.

Yes! And the sad travails of those who choose poorly will serve as a vivid warning to younger kids.

15 posted on 02/24/2010 5:20:30 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Soaring class sizes—that’s what happens when you have to educate a million of another country’s kids.


16 posted on 02/24/2010 5:22:46 AM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Make the parents do that stuff.

In their own privately funded school with tax vouchers...

17 posted on 02/24/2010 5:24:46 AM PST by listenhillary (the only reason government wants to be our provider is so it may become our master)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

The EDUCRATS mafia run the SAME scare tactic ads in EVERY state when faced with either cuts or attempting to increase taxes “for the kids”.

Several years ago in Alabama the democrat controlled state house, in conjuction with the EDUCRAT lobby attempted a huge tax increase “for the kids”...They ran ads that, amoung other outrageous claims, said that high school football would have to be eliminated, kids would go without school lunches, etc...

It was voted down by 61%, and we still have FOOTBALL, LUNCHES, and even running water.


18 posted on 02/24/2010 5:27:39 AM PST by Moby Grape (Formerly Impeach the Boy...name change necessary after the Marxist won)
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To: wombtotomb
And the schools lose the per capita funding for all those students. That is the be all and end all for the administators. Never mind that the teacher spends half or more of their time disciplining the students that don't want to be there.

This is not something that can be fixed by giving more money to the schools. An infinite amount of money is not enough. The teacher's union and the lawyers will not allow any meaningful reform. We need to outlaw public schools and let a completely private system develop. We also need to get rid of mandatory attendance laws and get rid of the minimum wage laws.

19 posted on 02/24/2010 6:07:59 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: listenhillary
In their own privately funded school with tax vouchers...

It's what I do...without the tax credit, of course. At least for now my donations to the Annual Fund are deductible.

But this is a larger point: that is how most private schools work. Parents volunteer, at the Clinic, in the Library, on the athletic fields, in the lunch room....And this is after paying multiple thousands of dollars for each child, donating the Annual operating fund (100% parent participation), and helping to get corporate assistance. I'm so sick of deadbeats who expect everything to be done for them by someone else.

Not only that, but I also get to pay for the local crappy public schools, not only through my property taxes, but a local sales tax.

Wouldn't you know that election day is now ALWAYS a "teacher's workday?"

20 posted on 02/24/2010 6:45:45 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
*snif*

It's so horrible. Classes with... *gasp* ...over 30 students???

Oh, wait, most people over 40 probably went to school with classes that size.

Oh, and there's more. Class size doesn't correlate with student success.

Never mind.

21 posted on 02/24/2010 6:49:14 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
33 kids in a class is too much? For most of my grade schools classes in the fifties and sixties there were at least thirty kids in every class. Sometimes more. I remember one seventh grade class that had sixth graders on one side and the seventh graders on the other.

I didn't get mediocre grades because there were too many kids in class. A number of kids did very well. And you'll never believe how they did it. They actually paid attention in class, studied hard, and did their homework on time. Shocking but true.

22 posted on 02/24/2010 6:50:13 AM PST by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: rrrod

Just a little info...my wife is a school teacher that works for the LAUSD and is a conservative. She despises the Union, but has no choice to opt out...she even changed her paperwork to not allow her union dues to be used for political purposes. She chose to be a teacher because she likes to help the kids.

So, before you you broad brush all teachers as criminals...


23 posted on 02/24/2010 6:55:51 AM PST by halo66
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
“The cuts to my school are devastating,” one teacher says in the ad. “Just the increase in class size. I have 20 students and all of a sudden it's 33.”

13 extra kids is devastating?

Fercryingoutloud, you're supposed to be teaching them not breastfeeding them.

24 posted on 02/24/2010 7:05:55 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

There is no evidence that more kids in class makes the learn less.

A lot of anecdotal evidence, and arguments that don’t stand up to scrutiny.

A few examples:

More kids means they will take too much time asking questions. Except that for a vast majority of classes, the number of unique questions about a subject will be low, so there’s no reason to expect that multiple kids will have to ask the same question. So if you had a class of 40 kids, vs 2 classes of 20 kids, the question would be asked TWICE in the 2nd school, and only ONCE in the first school, which actually saves teacher time.

Also, we know teachers have different capabilities. The more teachers you need, the less capable the worst of them will be (like when baseball expanded and they needed more pitchers and so more teams had bad pitchers). If you make class sizes bigger, you increase the likelyhood of a student being taught by a better teacher. Double the class sizes, get rid of the bottom 50% of the teachers, and EVERY kid gets taught by a teacher in the top half of their profession.

Problem: Teachers who drive school boards have managed to get most schools built with classrooms too small for larger, more efficient class sizes. In schools in my district, you would be hard-pressed to add more than a few kids to a lot of the classrooms.

The fix: Use the high-tech computerized and wired schools, to broadcast the best teachers to multiple classes around the county. Now you can teach every student with the top 20% of the teachers. Every class GETS a teacher still, the ones that are in the bottom half get paid less, but don’t have to prepare lesson plans, just answer questions, grade papers, and babysit.

Larger class sizes would also prepare kids better for college, where they will be taught in lecture halls and have to schedule appointments to ask questions of teachers.

With the right technology, they could even offer stay-at-home schooling, for kids with good internet. IF the kids can do the homework and pass the tests, let them do it from home. Saves bus costs, lowers “class sizes” for those showing up.

My school district offers all sorts of summer school classes online — even Gym classes (kids have to do formal activities like team sports and stuff). My daughter did a science summer course last year, and interacted with the teacher through e-mail. Tests were online, except midterm and final were at a school.

There are so many innovations we could use in public schools, if we got over the idea that the public schools exist to provide guaranteed employment for the teacher’s unions.


25 posted on 02/24/2010 10:01:10 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: N. Theknow

We’re having fights over increases from 20 to 23 kids per class.


26 posted on 02/24/2010 10:02:36 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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