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21st Century Breakdown
The Burning Platform ^ | February 23, 2010 | James Quinn

Posted on 02/24/2010 7:41:15 AM PST by parsifal

Political leaders and the mainstream media have been blindsided by the sudden mood shift of the country in the last few years. The reason they have been blindsided is they believe world history is linear. Liberals have now begun referring to themselves as progressives. These people think the world only progresses. The facts indicate otherwise. History is cyclical. History is replete with grand empires like Rome, Spain and Britain. It is also replete with Dark Ages, depressions and wars. Strauss & Howe have established that history can be broken down into 80 to 100 year Saeculums that consist of four turnings: The High, The Awakening, The Unraveling, and the Crisis.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: boomers; cycles; fourthturning; predictions; zeitgeist
Wow, this is interesting. Long fascinating read. Another good link from nakedcapitalism.com

parsy, who is re-reading it

1 posted on 02/24/2010 7:41:15 AM PST by parsifal
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To: parsifal

I read the same piece at a different source a couple of days ago and linked it in this post last night

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2457970/posts?page=22#22

Seriously, I have to believe history does repeat itself and the generational cycles make sense as well. I’m sure some would disagree and say man controls his destiny, but human nature and time may just lead that destiny in certain directions.


2 posted on 02/24/2010 7:48:40 AM PST by jsh3180
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To: jsh3180

Yes.I have to break out my Toynbee and refresh myself. But, yes, that is why we seem to never learn the lessons of history. There was an old saying about “shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations.”

Grandpa had it hard and worked for everything he got. His kids therefore had it easier, didn’t have to work as hard, but still had Grandpa around to raise them right. They are easier on their kids. Grandchildren have it made, inherit the money and blow it all. Their kids start off with it hard and have to work....etc. (unless they’re Kennedys, and the family trust was drawn up right!)

That’s what gets me about this financial mess. Darn it, we’ve been here before.

parsy


3 posted on 02/24/2010 7:56:08 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: jsh3180

“These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood. Been ten years since the last one. You know, you gotta stop them at the beginning. Like they should have stopped Hitler at Munich, they should never let him get away with that, they was just asking for trouble. “

Clemenza, from The Godfather


4 posted on 02/24/2010 7:59:13 AM PST by catman67
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To: parsifal

I had not heard the phrase “the fourth turning” until I heard the documentary producers use it on Hannity last night, and now I do. It is scary, but makes emminent sense. We know intuitively we are in the middle of something big, this explains what it is, why it is, and maybe gives us some clue as to what must be done.

Thanks very much for posting it.


5 posted on 02/24/2010 8:02:25 AM PST by bigbob
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To: parsifal

Interesting, although this line made me question the soundness of the entire piece:

“The short-sighted economic choices and deferred fiscal decisions will collide with peak oil...”

Peak oil — at least in real terms as opposed to politically created terms — is a marxist scam on par with gorebull warming.


6 posted on 02/24/2010 8:06:39 AM PST by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: parsifal
the classic Nomad (Generation X) description of a tough, hard edged pragmatist who does not trust government or corporations.
...Generation X will provide the tough resolute leadership in the midst of the Crisis, defending society. Let’s hope the country will produce Nomad leaders on par with previous Nomads


Don't forget that for every George Washington created by a generation of tough, hard edged pragmatists there is a William T Sherman ("War is all hell"), Phil Sheridan ("The only good Indian is a dead Indian") or Curtis LeMay ("If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting"). Men who "Got the job done" and didn't care much about how many people got dead in the process. An era ruled by such cold pragmatism isn't likely to bring a smile to the PC boomers or Obama voting millennial.
7 posted on 02/24/2010 8:06:39 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: bigbob; All

I think everyone feels it, like an undercurrent of electricity humming. I know I don’t know exactly what is happening, but SOMETHING is. As my cousin (who regrets her hysterical vote for Obama) expressed it, there is a “deep sense of foreboding.”

I feel it, and I see it on people in the grocery store. The skeptic in me steps back and wants to say “This is just silly, things have been ‘scary’ before.” And truth be told, the longer things are going along ‘normally’ (albeit with lack of jobs), the more I question if I am just hysterical. But I cannot turn lose of the undercurrent of being on the edge of something. And completely unsure of what that ‘something’ is.


8 posted on 02/24/2010 8:11:13 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: bigbob

You’re welcome. Just found it today. Plus, I like Green Day! That intuitive thing has us all sort of feeling something has been buzzing for a while. Have you ever heard of “The Boomer Bible”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh7mLgP7YH4

and then, the follow up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jaYOpbgieU&feature=related

parsy, who loves these!


9 posted on 02/24/2010 8:19:23 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: bigbob

Well, the second link, like sucked big time. Some dude talking over it. Try this instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD1QqRY2K70

parsy, who still loves ‘em!


10 posted on 02/24/2010 8:23:06 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: piytar

There’s plenty of oil, but have you noticed the darn price in the last few days? We can’t have a recovery with oil at that price.

parsy, who even heard Donald Trump say it a few days ago


11 posted on 02/24/2010 8:24:39 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: autumnraine

Me too. I have never been as pessimistic about the financial situation. And I am not a panic-ky person. But I think we are starting the slide down the precipice. I have been calling it New America.

parsy, who will be a traveling balladeer and poet


12 posted on 02/24/2010 8:27:11 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: GonzoGOP

Gotta love Curtis LeMay! I remember when he was George Wallace’s running mate. I headed up the George Wallace student mock campaign thingie. We got a lot of votes.

parsy, who grew up around SAC bases.


13 posted on 02/24/2010 8:32:07 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: parsifal

Oh, I’ve noticed. My point was merely that the “peak oil” meme is utter bunk in terms of recoverable oil. Or rather propaganda because it gives cover to those who want to restrict use of oil (and other fossil fuels) — in other words artificially create a “peak oil” crisis — with the goal of securing more power and money for themselves. Remember, some don’t want a recovery, they want a crisis that they can leverage (in obamanation terms, “not waste”) to reshape our nation, with them on top of course. And that is what we are seeing now.


14 posted on 02/24/2010 8:35:11 AM PST by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: GonzoGOP
An era ruled by such cold pragmatism isn't likely to bring a smile to the PC boomers or Obama voting millennial.

Especially since they are the ones who will be on the receiving end of the aforementioned pragmatism.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

15 posted on 02/24/2010 8:36:13 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: parsifal
Gotta love Curtis LeMay!

Was LeMay the first to use the quote "Bomb them into the stone age". I know he used the quote about North Vietnam but I'm not sure if he was the first.
16 posted on 02/24/2010 8:42:33 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP

Maybe him or Goldwater? One wanted to “lob one over into the men’s room over at the Kremlin” as I recall”

parsy, who says those were the days!


17 posted on 02/24/2010 8:50:35 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: The Comedian

Karl Denniger over at Market Ticker has been saying the same thing. He’s even warned the cops they had best get to work on the crooks, financial and otherwise, or they’re likely to be toast. A long screed. I’ll find it and link it. fromlori may have posted it yesterday.

parsy, who has to get some bullets for his Mosin Nagent


18 posted on 02/24/2010 8:54:58 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: The Comedian
Especially since they are the ones who will be on the receiving end of the aforementioned pragmatism.

Exactly. When the Confederates started planting land mines in front of Sherman's army (1864 IED's) he simply marched Confederate prisoners in front of the column. Once Joe Wheeler realized that the only people he was going to blow up where his own men who had been captured he stopped planting the mines.

When LeMay found that he couldn't hit the dispersed Japanese industry due to poor bombing accuracy over Japan he countered by simply fire bombing entire cities. His theory was that if he couldn't destroy the factories, he would just destroy the workers.

We tend to think of the Civil War and World War II as great idealistic crusades. But the men who lead the troops and who actually did the fighting were anything but idealistic. The men who 65 years ago yesterday raised the flag over Iwo Jima were not terribly concerned with the proper treatment of Japanese prisoners. Mostly because the weren't interested in taking any. Once it became obvious that wounded Japanese would pretend to surrender and then blow themselves, and any GI's around, up the standard procedure became to just shoot them again and be sure.

Idealism cannot survive the death of a societies ideals. After that it is just a race to the bottom. If you are very lucky, and have leaders like Washington, Lincoln or Eisenhower you hit bottom and bounce. If you aren't lucky and get a Bonaparte, Bismark or Stalin then you stay on the bottom until every last vestige of humanity is consumed. Note that the last three were from the same generations, and same situations as the first three. The liberals who believe in an eternal summer are fools. But those who seem eager for what is coming should temper their enthusiasm for the coming times. Sometimes you get a winter, some times you get an ice age.
19 posted on 02/24/2010 9:00:19 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: parsifal

Liberals are so ignorant of history that they proudly refer to themselves as progressives. If they had any idea what progressives were they would not describe themselves that way.

I always say that those on the left use whichever word describing who they are is based on which one stinks the worst at any given moment.


20 posted on 02/24/2010 9:05:19 AM PST by SkipW
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To: GonzoGOP
Sometimes you get a winter, some times you get an ice age.

Your entire post was brilliant. Consider writing a short book on this theme, and I'll be the first to pre-purchase it!


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

21 posted on 02/24/2010 9:10:23 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: SkipW

Yeah! Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive.

parsy, who says, “Nancy Pelosi, You are not a progressive!”


22 posted on 02/24/2010 9:10:42 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: GonzoGOP
Sometimes you get a winter, some times you get an ice age.

Your entire post was brilliant. Consider writing a short book on this theme, and I'll be the first to pre-purchase it!


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

23 posted on 02/24/2010 9:13:14 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: GonzoGOP

I remember one of my high school teachers telling us during WWII, he served in the Navy. Whenever Japanese pilots were able to parachute out of their planes, the gunners used to try to hit them. They figured if they survived, they would just be back.

As I recall, Patton(?) wrote the same about German snipers. If they sniped, they did not get to surrender. They got shot, hands over their heads or not. Patton, though, thought the Dresden bombing was an atrocity.

And FWIW, Patton used to ride around with John Singleton Mosby, the Gray Ghost, and I think the last confederate who they permitted to surrender a year or so after the war. Custer once hung some of Mosby’s “Partisan Rangers”. Mosby promptly hung some of Custer’s men, permitting one young lad to go tell Custer. The hangings stopped.

parsy, who used to read a lot


24 posted on 02/24/2010 9:20:08 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: The Comedian; LS

The book has been written, think 1932. Thanx to our dear FRiend LS and contributors. The parallels are amazing.


25 posted on 02/24/2010 9:30:43 AM PST by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: autumnraine

Your post articulates what I’ve sensed for...months or maybe a little longer. I visualize it by “watching” the iceberg and the Titanic inching towards each other...you see something dreadful is inevitable- but you’re not sure what exactly, it will look like.

A small example of the oddness of things is a chat I had yesterday with a neighbor about Iran/Israel etc. He asserted it’s all going to be ok because America and Israel will stick together as we always have- that we will keep arming Israel etc. I explained that is not the case- this president and his adminstration are decidedly pro Palestinian. He kept saying “ America won’t let this or that happen”....I said- this is NOT the America you’ve always known. It was a startling moment- hearing him say that and my realizing, for the first time in my life (babyboomer age) no one can depend on America to do, be and stand for certain things we’ve always done, no matter who was in office..or what the politicians were up to.


26 posted on 02/24/2010 9:34:34 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat veteran)
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To: parsifal
Karl Denniger over at Market Ticker has been saying the same thing. He’s even warned the cops they had best get to work on the crooks, financial and otherwise, or they’re likely to be toast. A long screed. I’ll find it and link it. fromlori may have posted it yesterday.

Excellent.

parsy, who has to get some bullets for his Mosin Nagent

I am huge into blended metal commodities myself.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

27 posted on 02/24/2010 9:47:17 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: autumnraine
"I think everyone feels it, like an undercurrent of electricity humming. I know I don’t know exactly what is happening, but SOMETHING is. As my cousin (who regrets her hysterical vote for Obama) expressed it, there is a “deep sense of foreboding.” I feel it, and I see it on people in the grocery store. The skeptic in me steps back and wants to say “This is just silly, things have been ‘scary’ before.” And truth be told, the longer things are going along ‘normally’ (albeit with lack of jobs), the more I question if I am just hysterical. But I cannot turn lose of the undercurrent of being on the edge of something. And completely unsure of what that ‘something’ is."

The sense of impending doom is humming throughout the world.

28 posted on 02/24/2010 11:09:05 AM PST by Mariner
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To: parsifal
This four-part-repeating cycle idea is not new.

"The Fate of Empires" written by John Glubb Pasha had this theory.

Likewise "When the Empire Strikes Out" by Goetz.

There was a book that came out in the early nineties with this theme claiming the end was near. If I remember right the four archetypal ages favored the businessman, then the poor, then the warrior, and then the artist/priest. I guess we would be transitioning from the age of the businessman to the age of the pauper right about now.

Evidently that book was a bit premature. I wish I could remember the title though. It was written by an Indian gentleman probably based on Glubb Pasha's theories.

29 posted on 02/24/2010 1:31:33 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Fascinating. I don’t recall ever reading about Glubb, although I did read a book about the Long Range Desert Patrols or something. Frankly, I am years behind on my serious reading and doubt I can ever catch up.

Toynbee awaits, in the room out back. Along with a gadzillion others. So many books. So little time.

parsy, who says thanks for shoring his memory the other day!


30 posted on 02/24/2010 2:14:37 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: parsifal
Since a lot of us are underwater on our mortgages it's rather appropiate for us to turn to someone named ...

Glubb
Glubb
Glubb
Glubb

31 posted on 02/25/2010 9:43:42 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Its all how one looks at things. I prefer to think of it as “Yankee bankers are upside down on their collateral”

You seem to be one who would enjoy the historical info here:

http://www.affil.org/consumer_rsc/usury.php

Dante was onto something.

parsy, who shows fatique


32 posted on 02/25/2010 9:55:55 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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