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Women to Serve on Subs, Gates Tells Congress
Armed Forces Press Service ^ | 2/24/10 | Donna Miles

Posted on 02/24/2010 7:59:45 AM PST by meandog

Women to Serve on Subs, Gates Tells Congress

By Donna Miles American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Feb. 23, 2010 - The Navy plans to repeal its ban on women serving on submarines, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates has informed Congress.

Gates signed a letter Feb. 19 informing Congress of the Navy's plan to lift the policy, which it intends to do through the phased-in assignment of women to submarines, Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell confirmed today.

The secretary endorsed the plan, the brainchild of Navy Secretary Ray Mabus, Morrell said.

No change can take effect until Congress has been in session for 30 days following the notification, Navy Lt. Justin Cole, a Navy spokesman said.

Mabus, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Gary Roughead and other Navy leaders have looked closely at the issues involved with integrating women into the submarine force, including close working conditions and accommodations, he said.

No funds will be spent to reconfigure submarines to accommodate female crew members until the Navy Department presents the phased-approach plan to Congress.

Mabus has been a strong proponent of the policy change since being confirmed to his post in May.

"I believe women should have every opportunity to serve at sea, and that includes aboard submarines," he told reporters in October. Roughead, in a statement issued in September, said his experience commanding a mixed-gender surface combatant ship makes him "very comfortable" with the idea of integrating women into the submarine force.

"I am familiar with the issues as well as the value of diverse crews," Roughead said.

The integration of women into the submarine force increases the talent pool and therefore, overall submarine readiness, Cole said.

"We know there are capable young women in the Navy and women who are interested in the Navy who have the talent and desire to succeed in the submarine force," he said. "Enabling them to serve there is best for the submarine force and our Navy."

The policy change – and the Navy's ability to work through the issues involved -- is not without precedent, he noted. In 1993, the Navy changed its policy to permit women to serve on surface combat ships.


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KEYWORDS: agenda; bhodod; bhosecdef; bubbleheads; submarines; usnavy; women
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1 posted on 02/24/2010 7:59:46 AM PST by meandog
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To: Retired COB

(((ping)))


2 posted on 02/24/2010 8:00:05 AM PST by meandog (OWEbummercare: "Arbeit Macht Frei!")
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To: meandog

Hmmmm not sure what kind of woman would want to be cramped up in small untidy quarters with recycled air/water for months at a time.


3 posted on 02/24/2010 8:02:02 AM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: meandog

This should improve efficiency. No more going to port for promiscuous sexual encounters!


4 posted on 02/24/2010 8:02:30 AM PST by IamConservative (Liberty is all a good man needs to succeed.)
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To: meandog

Another disaster is brewing ...

With tight living space ... expect more pregnancies.


5 posted on 02/24/2010 8:04:20 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Soothesayer

Isn’t one the nicknames for subs, pigboats?


6 posted on 02/24/2010 8:05:22 AM PST by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: meandog
“No funds will be spent to reconfigure submarines to accommodate female crew members until the Navy Department presents the phased-approach plan to Congress. “

Hey, maybe they can save water and shower together?

7 posted on 02/24/2010 8:05:39 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: meandog

Moron express.


8 posted on 02/24/2010 8:07:00 AM PST by boomop1
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To: meandog

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2457642/posts


9 posted on 02/24/2010 8:07:21 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: meandog

I don’t think women in close quarters with a bunch of seamen is a good idea...


10 posted on 02/24/2010 8:08:40 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (The liberals are asking us to give Obama more time. Is 25 to life enough?)
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To: nmh

Gives a new meaning to hot racking!


11 posted on 02/24/2010 8:08:52 AM PST by cameraeye (A happy kafar!)
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To: meandog

When you note the cost of training a baby bubblehead before they even get assigned to a fleet submarine, then note the high rate of pregnancy among women assigned to fleet surface ships...the cost of this latest social engineering to the taxpayers is STAGGERING.

Dumb move by Gates and the Administration. Very bad move.


12 posted on 02/24/2010 8:09:43 AM PST by Badeye (Still pretending Long Island is Manhattan, willie? (laughing))
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To: nmh

This is just another reason to have abortion in the health bill. These idiots can’t figure out why women get pregnant aboard ship.


13 posted on 02/24/2010 8:10:38 AM PST by RC2
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To: nmh

On YOUR nickel!


14 posted on 02/24/2010 8:11:11 AM PST by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think. " Adolph Hitler)
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To: meandog

This is a very bad move.


15 posted on 02/24/2010 8:11:27 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: meandog

It’s ok. They’ll just have to shorten their tours to a week or two at a time between ports.


16 posted on 02/24/2010 8:12:02 AM PST by Dogbert41
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To: Badeye
Just wait until they become officers.

I can see the redecorating already.

17 posted on 02/24/2010 8:13:58 AM PST by AGreatPer (Impeach Obama)
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To: meandog

PMS symptoms
mood swings
irritability
depression
anxiety
angry outbursts
confusion or fuzzy thinking
tearfulness
fatigue
insomnia
changes in libido
overeating
cravings, especially for salty or sweet foods
alcohol intolerance
acne
hives
abdominal and pelvic cramps
bloating
weight gain
headaches
menstrual migraines
breast swelling and pain
edema (visible swelling, particularly in the hands, feet and legs)
asthma
sinus problems
sore throat
worsening of chronic conditions like arthritis and ulcers
difficulty with coordination, being more prone to accidents
dizziness, decreased balance
heart pounding (palpitation)
nausea
fainting
urinary problems


18 posted on 02/24/2010 8:15:12 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: meandog

Clearly, our military is not about protecting the country, it’s about providing opportunities to diverse people....


19 posted on 02/24/2010 8:15:19 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: meandog
Hmmm... After giving this some thought, I can see a good side to this in a Dr. Strangelove sort of way...

It all depends on the numbers, "undt certain characteristics of ze vomen selected for such duty." :)

20 posted on 02/24/2010 8:15:24 AM PST by OKSooner (NoMoBHO)
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To: IamConservative

Have they studied how being confined on a submarine will effect women’s menstual cycles?


21 posted on 02/24/2010 8:15:55 AM PST by Burkean (.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Swampsniper - I get the impression you really really like women. LOL


22 posted on 02/24/2010 8:17:30 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: cameraeye
Gives a new meaning to hot racking!

My first thought too...

I can't retire soon enough. (126 days left)

23 posted on 02/24/2010 8:17:35 AM PST by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: nmh

I wonder what the sub would do if it was on a mission that required it to stay submerged for an extended period of time and they had to deal with a live birth on board?


24 posted on 02/24/2010 8:18:49 AM PST by thethirddegree
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To: Burkean
Have they studied how being confined on a submarine will effect women’s menstual cycles?

I can save that study money and tell you that they all will get in sync and for 4-5 days that that sub will be in purgatory.

25 posted on 02/24/2010 8:20:08 AM PST by DeFault User
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To: ladyjane
I love women, but not in positions of authority.

I may be a closet muslim!

26 posted on 02/24/2010 8:22:12 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Texas resident
Isn’t one the nicknames for subs, pigboats?

On our beloved old diesel boats back in the 60s...no showers, usually only a basin of water to wash with once a day. And as a lower-ranking and non-rated, non-qualified seaman you "hot racked" and "messed cooked". There was little room in the passageways and you squeezed in after battery for meals in two shifts. It was also very much a locker room with a lot of naked bodies running around (wouldn't mind seeing women here but bet they would mind seeing men back then). There are still countries (Dutch, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Poland, Russia, Japan, S. Korea etc.) that operate diesel boats because they are quiet. We have only one left: USS Dolphin.

27 posted on 02/24/2010 8:22:48 AM PST by meandog (OWEbummercare: "Arbeit Macht Frei!")
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To: Soothesayer

I was just thinking the same thing - I remember my husband talking about the stench. lol


28 posted on 02/24/2010 8:23:03 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Those who claim to be open and tolerant are often only open to their own views, not yours)
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To: boomop1

Now that I’m retired from the military, I don’t care if gays or women are all over the battlefield. It was extremely difficult to find appropriate entertainment during the off hours but now the military will provide that entertainment. It will now be built into the ranks. These policies will make it less likely that soldiers, saliors, marines and airpeople will miss their deployments. Deployments should last longer and they will now be able to “grow” the force without too much trouble. Ya gotta love it!!!


29 posted on 02/24/2010 8:23:46 AM PST by clodchopper (THERE IS A TIME TO TURN THE OTHER CHEEK AND TIME TO SLAP BACK!!!)
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To: DeFault User
I can save that study money and tell you that they all will get in sync and for 4-5 days that that sub will be in purgatory.

My wife and I talked about this last night. How about an all female ship or sub. Once a month raise the papa, mike, sierra flag and leave that ship the heck alone.

30 posted on 02/24/2010 8:24:06 AM PST by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: DeFault User

They do get in sync, it is a fact!


31 posted on 02/24/2010 8:24:55 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Soothesayer
Hmmmm not sure what kind of woman would want to be cramped up in small untidy quarters with recycled air/water for months at a time.

One that finds living in a 300+ foot nuclear powered phallic symbol irresistible.

32 posted on 02/24/2010 8:25:37 AM PST by Random Access
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

And multiply that by however many women are on one sub together, because cycles synchronize -


33 posted on 02/24/2010 8:25:58 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Those who claim to be open and tolerant are often only open to their own views, not yours)
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To: IamConservative

There’s seaman all over the place.


34 posted on 02/24/2010 8:27:26 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: meandog

One would think that nuclear subs that are underwater for long periods of time may have to surface more frequently to tend to pregnancies.


35 posted on 02/24/2010 8:27:53 AM PST by kenmcg (uicl)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

PMS symptoms
mood swings
irritability
depression
anxiety
angry outbursts
confusion or fuzzy thinking
tearfulness
fatigue
insomnia
incredible urge to rise and hover at launch depth followed by the release of all nuclear assets at random targets
changes in libido
overeating
cravings, especially for salty or sweet foods
alcohol intolerance
acne
hives
abdominal and pelvic cramps
bloating
weight gain
headaches
menstrual migraines
breast swelling and pain
edema (visible swelling, particularly in the hands, feet and legs)
asthma
sinus problems
sore throat
worsening of chronic conditions like arthritis and ulcers
difficulty with coordination, being more prone to accidents
dizziness, decreased balance
heart pounding (palpitation)
nausea
fainting
urinary problems


36 posted on 02/24/2010 8:28:01 AM PST by BulletBobCo
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To: meandog

I got to go through the USS Cavalla in Galveston, Tx. It is a WWII sub. REAL cramped quarters and lots of stuff sticking out to whack your head on. I’ve got a lot of respect for the guys who lived in that thing.


37 posted on 02/24/2010 8:28:26 AM PST by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: meandog
IIRC, the Marine Corps is the only service that still segregates men and women in boot camp. There's a good reason for that.
When you're teaching testosterone filled men how to kill the enemy, you don't provide distractions.
38 posted on 02/24/2010 8:29:25 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: meandog

My Son is currently on a sub and he said a while back his boat came under the Navy’s microscope because too many Sailors put in to leave the sub.

Sub duty is all volunteer duty. So I guess one can unvolunteer. May be career limiting though.

I wonder how many Submariners will unvolunteer when women are assigned to their sub?


39 posted on 02/24/2010 8:31:35 AM PST by Elderberry
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To: meandog

The policy gives a totally new meaning the phrase “hot bunking”


40 posted on 02/24/2010 8:33:15 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Tax the poor. Taxes will give them a stake in society)
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To: Soothesayer

Beats the hell out of riding 12-14 hours in the middle of the backseat of a Humvee doing med coverage for convoys, dodging bombs and bullets in day/dark as my daughter did for two tours. Life on a sub would have been resort accommodations, comparatively.


41 posted on 02/24/2010 8:35:28 AM PST by metalcor
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To: meandog

MABUS...interesting....


42 posted on 02/24/2010 8:35:43 AM PST by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Do you know why they call camels the “ships of the desert?” Because they’re full of Arab seamen!


43 posted on 02/24/2010 8:37:43 AM PST by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: meandog

Gates has got to go. This is getting simply stupid.


44 posted on 02/24/2010 8:38:50 AM PST by BelegStrongbow (Dear Leader: you have two ears and one mouth. Start using them in proportion.)
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To: Soothesayer
Hmmmm not sure what kind of woman would want to be cramped up in small untidy quarters with recycled air/water for months at a time.

I see you know nothing about submarines ...

45 posted on 02/24/2010 8:45:44 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: meandog; All
The Navy just put out a public relations page on the candidates they have to fill the initial openings. Navy's First Female Submariner Candidates
46 posted on 02/24/2010 8:45:50 AM PST by MrDem (Founder: Democrats for Cheney/Palin 2012)
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To: meandog

Let me guess.....at a rate of pay that is 75 cents on the dollar that the men are getting? /sarc


47 posted on 02/24/2010 8:47:53 AM PST by Catholic Canadian
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To: MrDem

There will probably be more than enough volunteers to fill any openings on those subs.


48 posted on 02/24/2010 8:50:31 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: meandog

“I believe women should have every opportunity to serve at sea, and that includes aboard submarines.”

Why should it be about the employees? It should be about the mission, and what best serves the mission. Not what serves the employees.


49 posted on 02/24/2010 8:50:48 AM PST by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: meandog
MeanDog,

As you may remember there are a lot of systems that we had to learn to become qualified in submarines. Most women don't relate well to electrical systems, high pressure air systems, hydraulic systems, propulsion systems, etc.

What do you think the news release is going to look like when we lose one of our submarines because one woman who was "qualified in submarines" because it was dictated as a must happen event from above? I don't think the general populace realizes that all it takes is one person aboard a sub who doesn't know what they're doing to kill everyone else aboard.

Should we take a chance on losing up to 150 men and a multimillion dollar submarine just to carry out some idiot's politically correct social experiment? I hope I'm wrong on this one....but it doesn't bode well.

I still remember when they started putting women in fighter planes. They meant well, but the ladies had a serious testostrone shortage. As a group, they just did not perform as well. They also had a slight problem with the relief tube (the thing that the pilots stick their talleywacker in to relieve themselves in flight). That didn't stop the people at the top levels of the Defense Dept from continuing the experiment just for the PR. (Before I get flamed, there may well be a hot female fighter pilot out there, but I haven't seen her yet.)

50 posted on 02/24/2010 8:50:54 AM PST by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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