The DNC has acted in CONSPIRACY against America
by altering documents in an attempt to bypass the Law
and what once was the US Constitution (now buried by SCOTUS)
Posted on 02/24/2010 1:03:52 PM PST by rxsid
Because he certified the electoral votes (presumably without verifying eligibility) as President of the Senate.
Thank you for that clarification on BC in Hawaii. pretty much if you want to be hawaiian you can, right>
It could explain what happened.
Your entire post was GREAT
The DNC has acted in CONSPIRACY against America
by altering documents in an attempt to bypass the Law
and what once was the US Constitution (now buried by SCOTUS)
We have been friends forever. She has always been a little shady. I keep thinking some of me will wear off on her. It has a lot to do with the way she was raised.
She wants the free stuff but does not want to pay taxes and does everything to not pay taxes. Either her mom or dad taught her there is a way to get out of everything. Thus she is a Obama supporter!
Interesting, when she was like 16, she dated one of the mafia whatever they are called in Chicago who went around collecting money. She said it was “NOTHING.”
Me raised in a strict Christian home gasped.
Whoa, Yorick!!! Do we really want Biden’s aneurism or Pelosi’s botox running the White House?
This is the issue that needs to be determined in court. Is a child born within the jurisdiction of the US, to a citizen mother and a father who is a foreigner constitutionally eligible to be president?
After much research, I have concluded that the answer is no - that was not the meaning of Natural Born Citizen in Article II of the constitution.
However, it has never been determined definitively in a court of law, and legal scholars as well as the American people differ on their opinion of the issue.
Many people assume that just being born in America or having a parent who is a citizen is sufficient. When told that it might not actually be that way legally, they shrug and say well it should be.
I believe that a conservative court would be inclined to be stricter and uphold the original intent, but not at this time. I believe the courts are likely to dodge the issue, as being appropriately a question for the legislature.
Further more, the media reported the BC issue,(in a ridiculing way) Obama freely admitted his father was a British citizen, and the American people voted for him anyway. The people are Sovereign, and the people have spoken, courts will not be willing to overturn an election.
I truly believe the only way to insure this does not happen again, is for the states to address it in their election rules. The secretary of state for each state should certify the eligibility of candidates.
The legislatures of each state should specify by statute what the necessary documentation is, and what their interpretation of the term natural born means. Court challenges to the state laws might wind up in the Supreme Court, but at least the issue would have been determined.
Another way would be to amend the constitution to define the term, and have the states ratify. Passing a statute is not sufficient. Congress has the power to specify naturalization laws, but not to determine what is constitutional.
I find the legal issue to be interesting, and so I like to follow whats happening, but the main goal we all need is to make sure conservatives replace liberals and socialists in 2010.
No objections were allowed or called, for Obama......WHY?
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***My girlfriend despises him like I despise Obama. Oh well, No accounting for taste.***
Dump the girlfriend.
***Cheny had to approve the motion to accept Obama as the president elect, as the outgoing V.P. At the time he wouldn’t even look at it. He just sneered, and at the time we wondered if he did not read it for a reason. ***
I don’t see any citations to prove your comments about Cheney.
I don’t dump my friends for their political thoughts. Especially this one who is clueless as to what is going on in politics.
..if I knew the answer to that question...then I could probably also explain why the Oath of Office was repeated in PRIVATE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ezCRCMse2w
One still image and audio?
Actually, they kinda did:
United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898)
This post 14th Amendment case is important both because it provides a broad survey of citizenship law and the legal framework through which the Constitution views citizenship, and because this decision is cited by numerous other cases.
[An alien parent’s] allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke in Calvin’s Case, 7 Coke, 6a, ’strong enough to make a natural subject, for, if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject’
The Wong court also said:
“Subject’ and ‘citizen’ are, in a degree, convertible terms as applied to natives; and though the term ‘citizen’ seems to be appropriate to republican freemen, yet we are, equally with the inhabitants of all other countries, ’subjects,’ for we are equally bound by allegiance and subjection to the government and law of the land.’
and
…every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.
United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898)
parsy
"Further more, the media reported the BC issue,(in a ridiculing way) Obama freely admitted his father was a British citizen, and the American people voted for him anyway. The people are Sovereign, and the people have spoken, courts will not be willing to overturn an election."
I would ask, how many of those citizens were informed enough about his being born with British Citizenship?
Prior to the election, I would venture a guess that perhaps 10%, maybe 20% of the voting population knew about the questions surrounding his B.C. and perhaps 1 to 2% of them knew about him being born with British citizenship. Prior to the election, so far as I know, Berg's lawsuit was the only one around (that some folks knew of), and he focused on the B.C. issue.
Sure, many knew his father was a foreigner. But did they "connect the dots" and realize (or read in their local rag) that he was born a citizen of the English crown? I doubt it.
Furthermore, simply because the state run media convinced the uneducated sheeple that Barry was the best thing since sliced bread, doesn't mean there is a legitimate issue there that needs to be addressed.
Don't forget that over 7,000 (presumably) voting age citizens (in 5 states) exercised their choice for someone that is clearly not Constitutionally qualified. That being Roger Calero, a foreign born green card holder.
It may not be the BC that has the problems per se.
Let’s play pretend for a minute(as apposed to starting a rumor). We know there are things Barry is hiding, and we know they are serious enough that he has hired defense attorneys and is willing to pay those defense attorneys more than a million dollars to prevent the electorate from finding out what he is hiding. We know it is more than bad grades or following the wrong crowd. It must be something as serious as identity theft or fraud if not his natural born status.
Let’s pretend it is a combination of both. Barry is not Barak Heussin Obama (legally) and he represented himself as a foreigner (barry Soetero) to gain scholarships and money from the government.
Let’s pretend that his Mother was single at the time Barry was born in Haiwaii and he was named Barry Dunham. His Mother then married an Indonesian and Barry was adopted in Indonesia by his Step Father and became Barry Soetero and his mother became an Indonesian citizen at the same time.
We know that he went by Barry Soetero in Indonesia and we know that the government did not allow duel citizenship, forcing his mother to give up her citizenship along with little Barry’s. She may has gone so far as having his BC sealed which would strike out the Haiwaii birth and register that he was born in Indonesia.
Little Barry and his mother came back from Indonesia to Haiwaii. Did little Barry go on using his Indonesian passport and was he given special scholarships to grade school and college based on being Indonesian?
Did he change his name legally to Barak Obama after being Barry Soetero and Barry Dunham?
Did he legally gain his citizenship back after he returned to Haiwaii?
What does an adoption do for/to the “natural born” citizenship?
Is he hiding the fact that he represented himself as a foreign student of several years?
Could a natural born citizen who was adopted by a foreigner and lived in the foreign country re-gain his natural born status without another adoption or a court proceeding of some kind?
Can a natural born citizen use a foreign passport as identification and use that identification to obtain scholarships, avoid income tax, and registering for the draft and still be considered natural born?
If his birth certificate was never issued to one Barak Obama and he has no legal court documents changing his name could he legally run for president using that name?
1. Some trees wil die to provide paper for the briefs.
2. Birther hopes will soar.
3. Birther's will denounce as a Troll/Obot/Fool anyone who predicts that nothing will come of it.
4. Birther's hopes will be dashed when nothing comes of it.
5. Birthers will see the failure of this court case to remove Obama from office, not as evidence that they have no case, but as evidence that the CONSPIRACY is even older, larger, and more far reaching than they had feared.
6. Birthers will move on to the next Fake-Kanyan-Birth-Certificate, or Orly lawsuit, or allegation that a perceived blur in a JR High yearbook photo is proof that Obama isn't even a Kenyan, but a Soviet plant, or whatever.
7. 2-6 will repeat endlessly, until the last Birther dies of old age.
Well at least I will have a continuing form of amusement. The shear drama of Birthers continues to enthrall me. I feel bad for the trees though, I hope they are tree farm grown.
Kinda? Is that like, getting nuked would kinda suck?
I just hate it when people try to get at the truth. I see you join me.
usurper bump!
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