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Navy to Lift Ban on Women Serving Aboard Subs
aol.com ^ | Feb 24, 2010 | Mara Gay

Posted on 02/24/2010 1:04:01 PM PST by Bulldawg Fan

The military isn't asking, it's telling.

In a letter to Congress last week, Defense Secretary Robert Gates notified lawmakers that women will be allowed to serve on submarines for the first time in the Navy's 110-year history, ABC News reported. Congress has 30 days to pass a law to stop or delay the policy, but if it remains silent, women could be aboard Navy submarines in 18 months.

The lifting of the ban removes one of the last glass ceilings for women in the military.

Unless Congress steps in, women could be serving on Navy submarines for the first time in the service's history in about 18 months. Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus told ABC on Tuesday that allowing women to serve on subs is "a great idea and the right thing to do."

Women have been assigned to surface ships for the past 17 years but were kept off subs in fear that the small space would create challenges. For years, the Navy said it was too expensive to refit submarines with separate living quarters so women could serve.

Tracy Moran, a columnist for USA Today, said the Navy should wait to repeal the ban until its ships were ready to accommodate them. "Allowing female officers to serve on the boomers, as the panel recommended, would be a mistake at this point," she wrote. "Instead, let the Navy first develop vessels that can accommodate co-ed crews, and let them develop a career path for women. This may take many years, but doing it correctly will be worth the wait."

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TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: lunacy; militaryreadiness; militarywomen; submarine; usnavy
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More lunacy from Obama, Gates and company. Being an old Army guy, let me paint this scenario: The sub leaves on a mission of several months undersea. A week out or several weeks out, Seaman Jane misses her period and is pregnant. As I understand, these subs dont surface so now she is going through the first months of pregnancy without a doctor or will she somehow be magically taken off the sub and returned to shore duty? Or this: a month before deployment, Seaman Jane gets pregnant, even if by her husband. Who now has to pull her duties at the last minute?

What a farce, total lunacy. The idiots running the defense department need to be fired once and for all. This on top of the Major Hasan fiasco, the Air Force Academy pagan temple and every other destructive element in the military has to go, but it wont, not by a long shot. Idiots all.

1 posted on 02/24/2010 1:04:01 PM PST by Bulldawg Fan
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Second question concerns privacy. Is there any on board a sub? Not that I know of. But hey, we’re all just alike, right? Those young sailors and sailorettes will sure behave because the idiot Robert Gates, Admiral Mullen and the rest of the assylum running the military told them to.


2 posted on 02/24/2010 1:06:04 PM PST by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: Bulldawg Fan
The lifting of the ban removes one of the last glass ceilings for women in the military.

Is this the same "glass ceiling" of a separate and unequal physical fitness standard?
3 posted on 02/24/2010 1:06:44 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Don’t forget, she may not know that she is pregnant.


4 posted on 02/24/2010 1:07:34 PM PST by navygal
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Looks like the ships will not be the only thing filed with seamen


5 posted on 02/24/2010 1:07:44 PM PST by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

ZERO understands little except get his opponent any way he can. He acts and reacts just like a two year old.

We should just ignore.


6 posted on 02/24/2010 1:07:52 PM PST by Tarpon ( ...)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Their is no “glass ceiling” for not being on a boat. The vast majority of the navy is non-sub and they never liked us.


7 posted on 02/24/2010 1:08:05 PM PST by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Do submariners still share beds? I know in WWII you shared the same beds, sheets and everything, once one person’s watch was done you rolled into the same bed as the person relieving your post.


8 posted on 02/24/2010 1:08:46 PM PST by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Can’t call it the “silent service” anymore. Yak yak yak, yak yak yak.


9 posted on 02/24/2010 1:09:52 PM PST by Oratam
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Isn’t this Adm. Mullen’s new policy? Next administration the “good” Adm. is gone.


10 posted on 02/24/2010 1:10:42 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Glass ceiling. In a place where you are isolated for extended periods of time with no privacy.

That is to laugh. Yes, this will smash the separation of men and women bunking and showering and shaving and sH**ing.


11 posted on 02/24/2010 1:10:49 PM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: Bulldawg Fan

I share your frustration, Dawg. The lunatics are running the asylum.


12 posted on 02/24/2010 1:10:50 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Bulldawg Fan

13 posted on 02/24/2010 1:11:04 PM PST by DM1
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To: navygal

When it comes to abortions, the policy is don’t ask, don’t tell.


14 posted on 02/24/2010 1:11:34 PM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: Bulldawg Fan

My friend’s company sells these huge baking ovens for industry. They sold some to the Navy for an aircraft carrier. The ovens have these huge revolving flat racks that rotate around. What some of the entrepreneurial women were doing is, when the oven was not heated, using the racks to have paid sex on, when they were rotated to the back of the oven where nobody could see. Then someone would rotate them back after a certain amount of time. Kinda like “living on the edge”!!

mmmm fresh baked bread!


15 posted on 02/24/2010 1:12:23 PM PST by capacommie
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To: Bulldawg Fan

I believe the Royal Navy have women on subs.


16 posted on 02/24/2010 1:12:48 PM PST by Perdogg ("Is that a bomb in your pants, or are you excited to come to America?")
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To: Bulldawg Fan
As I understand, these subs dont surface...

True of SSBNs (boomers), which stay submerged for ~6 mos; not so the SSNs.

17 posted on 02/24/2010 1:13:36 PM PST by Ready4Freddy ("It's not the number of burnt cars that worries me. It's the fact that everyone finds this normal..")
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To: navygal

With all due respect, I think Dawg implied that she might be pregnant before boarding. As far as the boat is concerned they are down a crewmember regardless the reason. Not unique to the Navy or any other service branch, but it hurts more on subs.


18 posted on 02/24/2010 1:13:38 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: LukeL

Hot racking. Yes one on watch the other in the kip. Subs don’t have enough racks (bunks) for the crew members on board. The most junior and least qualified folks get to hot rack. A rite of passage.


19 posted on 02/24/2010 1:14:30 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Perdogg

I believe the Royal Navy has four subs and three have not left the dock in years.


20 posted on 02/24/2010 1:15:29 PM PST by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: Nuc1

oh I thought “hot racking” was what I wrote about with the ovens above!


21 posted on 02/24/2010 1:15:47 PM PST by capacommie
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To: Tallguy

Some might get pregnant during the time at sea......soldiers get pregnant all the time in combat zones in the Army. Quick ticket home for mom, no equality for dad.


22 posted on 02/24/2010 1:29:04 PM PST by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: Bulldawg Fan
let the Navy first develop vessels that can accommodate co-ed crews

I read this wrong at first. Me bad. Very bad.

23 posted on 02/24/2010 1:29:11 PM PST by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Politicans are crazy....I sure wouldn’t want to be the only female on a sub for 18 months under the sea’s...but there is probably some idiotic young woman that would love it..totally not necessary..


24 posted on 02/24/2010 1:29:54 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Third question.....Is there room on a sub for a maternity ward?


25 posted on 02/24/2010 1:30:40 PM PST by RC2
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To: Bulldawg Fan

When you allow gay men in the military you’re telling straight men who don’t want the potential of unwanted sexual interest to “just deal with it”. I say men and women share crew quarters and the women just “deal with it”.


26 posted on 02/24/2010 1:30:45 PM PST by Locomotive Breath
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To: Bulldawg Fan

When you allow gay men in the military you’re telling straight men who don’t want the potential of unwanted sexual interest to “just deal with it”. I say men and women share crew quarters and the women just “deal with it”.


27 posted on 02/24/2010 1:30:59 PM PST by Locomotive Breath
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To: SJSAMPLE

The very same. Equal work means equal pay, right? Mmmm, mmmm, mmmmm.


28 posted on 02/24/2010 1:31:42 PM PST by FourPeas
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To: Mr. K

Hey baby, have I got a submarine for you!

Let’s go ply the deep blue sea and see if we can raise some waves.


29 posted on 02/24/2010 1:32:07 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Liberal Massachusetts says: "FUBO!")
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To: Bulldawg Fan
The lifting of the ban removes one of the last glass ceilings for women in the military.

If this was truly about the "glass ceiling" then they would allow all women subs. This is about further perverting the military by throwing more distractions in. God help us.

30 posted on 02/24/2010 1:32:37 PM PST by Outlaw Woman (If you remove the first Amendment, we'll be forced to move on to the next one.)
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To: Bulldawg Fan
This will not end well.


31 posted on 02/24/2010 1:35:25 PM PST by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: Nuc1

So today officers get their own bunk? I am guessing it is still in a common area though? On a ship there is plenty of room for separate gender quarters, but on a sub no square inch of space is wasted.


32 posted on 02/24/2010 1:36:16 PM PST by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Big mistake. When you have a lot of men working together you get a lot of what men do when they are together - breaking each other’s stones. All is good-natured camaraderie and it helps make a stressful situation tolerable.
Add women to the mix, and it’s disaster. VERY FEW of them can take the friendly banter and will whimper and cry and run to their local EEO officer and say “they’re harassing me!”


33 posted on 02/24/2010 1:37:15 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Bulldawg Fan
"Take her down Lieutenant."

"Aye, Aye Sir!".

34 posted on 02/24/2010 1:38:42 PM PST by Iron Munro (God is great, Beer is good, People are crazy)
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To: capacommie
LOL That wasn’t the context of my response. Sorry for the response delay, I got caught in the dreaded Windows update restart loop. How about a gal’s only boat? Then we could op guys against gals. Like cards...or marriage. Did I mention my machine came with Vista?
35 posted on 02/24/2010 1:39:10 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Bulldawg Fan

“”I am furious that i am not allowed to be on Latrine Duty for months at a time, in the enlisted men’s barracks!” It’s discrimination against women in the military!”


36 posted on 02/24/2010 1:41:03 PM PST by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi!)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

I have heard of Buiker Chicks pulling the train, These gals may pull the sub.


37 posted on 02/24/2010 1:41:48 PM PST by Venturer
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"Don’t forget, she may not know that she is pregnant. "

But I'll bet she knows if she has done something recently to get her that way.

Maybe a doctor's certification of "non-pregnant" status would be required at boarding.

We can always find a way to make excuses for behavior...anything to break that "glass ceiling", huh?

A lot of us have known there is a difference in men and woman for a long time...it's just that the liberals know so much that isn't true.

I think that mixed company, in such close quarters, is going to be a calamity.

Guys, don't forget, they want to be "equal with the men"; girls, don't forget, you asked for it.

ROTHLMAO

38 posted on 02/24/2010 1:42:27 PM PST by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

This is NOT going to sit well with a lot of the submariners wives. This is not good.


39 posted on 02/24/2010 1:42:54 PM PST by Mr. Jazzy ("I AM JIM THOMPSON and moderates make me PUKE!!!")
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To: LukeL
So today officers get their own bunk? I am guessing it is still in a common area though?

Officers get little cabins, typically holding three.

Most crewmen get their own bunks.

40 posted on 02/24/2010 1:45:30 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: LukeL
Nope. On my boat, O gangers had their own quarters. Two to a stateroom. Captain and XO had their own staterooms. LA class boats had a worse situation regarding enlisted berthing than 637 class boats. At least until additional sonar equipment was added to the 637s.
41 posted on 02/24/2010 1:45:40 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
Big mistake. When you have a lot of men working together you get a lot of what men do when they are together - breaking each other’s stones. All is good-natured camaraderie and it helps make a stressful situation tolerable.

When I was on subs, there was very little of that. On patrol we ate, played poker, watched moves and slept on watch.

42 posted on 02/24/2010 1:47:57 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: Bulldawg Fan

This may not be a problem once all the guys onboard.... are gay.

As for pregnancy, that can easily be resolved with an onboard abortionist.

Yes, it’s all sick and it’s all stupid. These morons, Obama, Gates and the others, are going to ruin our military.


43 posted on 02/24/2010 1:49:27 PM PST by Gator113 (Obama is America's First FAILED "light skinned African American [Pres-dent] with no Negro dialect..")
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On my boat, O gangers had their own quarters.

I first read that as "A" gangers. They didn't have their own quarters but the rest of us often wished they did.

44 posted on 02/24/2010 1:50:51 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: Locomotive Breath

The solution is simple - bunk the women with the gay men. There - problem solved!


45 posted on 02/24/2010 2:04:58 PM PST by frithguild (I gave to Joe Wilson the day after, to Scott Brown seven days before and next to JD Hayworth.)
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To: Nuc1
Obama administration view of submarine service:


46 posted on 02/24/2010 2:14:59 PM PST by frithguild (I gave to Joe Wilson the day after, to Scott Brown seven days before and next to JD Hayworth.)
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To: frithguild
Actually this is probably better:


47 posted on 02/24/2010 2:25:05 PM PST by frithguild (I gave to Joe Wilson the day after, to Scott Brown seven days before and next to JD Hayworth.)
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To: Mr. Jazzy
This is NOT going to sit well with a lot of the submariners wives. This is not good.

Wait till the wives see the new uniforms:


48 posted on 02/24/2010 2:33:00 PM PST by frithguild (I gave to Joe Wilson the day after, to Scott Brown seven days before and next to JD Hayworth.)
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To: Bulldawg Fan
Here is the official uniform:
49 posted on 02/24/2010 2:42:33 PM PST by MrDem (Founder: Democrats for Cheney/Palin 2012)
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To: frithguild
Not good indeed!
50 posted on 02/24/2010 2:44:28 PM PST by MrDem (Founder: Democrats for Cheney/Palin 2012)
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