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Rand Paul's False Claims on Abortion Don't Match His Previous Statements [KY US Senate]
AIPNews.com ^ | Feb. 24, 2010 | Johnson and Grayson campaigns

Posted on 02/24/2010 4:23:01 PM PST by EternalVigilance

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To: Crichton

Rand Paul knows what he believes.

He just doesn’t want to come out and tell the rest of us.


21 posted on 02/24/2010 5:08:34 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: EternalVigilance; Egon
Rand Paul doesn’t think the national government has the imperative duty to protect the unalienable rights of all. Just like his dad. States’ rights trumps all.

Constitutionally, he is correct. It's easy to demonize the position of a Constitutional Conservative because the massive encroachments that the Federal Government has made into the venue of the sovereign rights of the States and the individual have become the entrenched position. The only way to get the Federal Government out of all these un-mandated areas is for We The People to wrest these areas away and return them to the states. The only way to do this (in a Democratic Republic) is to elect Constitutionalists who understand, and will legislate within, the constitutional limits.

22 posted on 02/24/2010 5:08:49 PM PST by RhoTheta (Wipe out capitalism, no more money. You following me camera guy?)
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To: tacticalogic

If the child is a person, the requirements of the Constitution are obvious. Even Blackmun admitted this.


23 posted on 02/24/2010 5:17:47 PM PST by EternalVigilance (TATBO - "Throw All The Bums Out")
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To: RhoTheta

Really? The protection of what other unalienable rights do you think should be left up to the states to decide?


24 posted on 02/24/2010 5:18:52 PM PST by EternalVigilance (TATBO - "Throw All The Bums Out")
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To: EternalVigilance

Why is it that Johnson is always bitching about just Paul and never comes out against Grayson’s positions?


25 posted on 02/24/2010 5:20:01 PM PST by Rodebrecht (No army can stop an idea whose time has come.)
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To: EternalVigilance

A democrat turned republican polling at 22% and a republican polling at maybe 5% going up against a republican polling at 44% on one issue. Interesting.

So looks like the republican with 5% should step out of the race and let his 5 supporters join with the democrat turned republican to defeat the republican.
Now that is speculating the 5 supporters would actually support the democrat turned republican.

When the republican trounces them both in the primary, will the democrat and republican support the republican to defeat the liberal?

Interesting that the democrat turned republican is backed by the national GOP while the guy in the lead is supported by Palin.

At least the other republican has his wife supporting him and some freeper from Iowa who may or may not be able to vote for him.


26 posted on 02/24/2010 5:21:18 PM PST by VicVega ( SAINTS WIN THE SUPER BOWL)
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To: EternalVigilance
If the child is a person, the requirements of the Constitution are obvious. Even Blackmun admitted this.

An original intent interpretaion is based on the intent of those who wrote and ratified the amendment, not what a USSC justice has to say about it later. If that were the case, the New Deal would be Constitutionally sound.

Can you make a case, based on the available historical evidence, that what you are proposing is within the originally intended purpose of that amendment?

27 posted on 02/24/2010 5:22:30 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Rodebrecht

Great point.

Even when the Paul guy wasn’t leading, he still attacked him.

Hey go after the democrat running as a republican too.


28 posted on 02/24/2010 5:25:24 PM PST by VicVega ( SAINTS WIN THE SUPER BOWL)
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To: wagglebee
The way the Pauls see it an individual state would be perfectly within their "rights" if the abolished laws against murder, rape, robbery and kidnapping.

No state has abolished laws against murder, but there are killings that are legal self-defense in one state that would be first-degree murder in another. No one has ever suggested that states can't efine murder for themselves.

29 posted on 02/24/2010 5:28:32 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: VicVega

Typical Paul tactics. Touting fake poll numbers to lay a false premise.


30 posted on 02/24/2010 5:32:35 PM PST by EternalVigilance (TATBO - "Throw All The Bums Out")
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To: Lurking Libertarian; EternalVigilance
No state has abolished laws against murder, but there are killings that are legal self-defense in one state that would be first-degree murder in another. No one has ever suggested that states can't efine murder for themselves.

So, you believe that a state would be within their rights to abolish all laws against murder, rape, robbery and kidnapping?

31 posted on 02/24/2010 5:34:20 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: EternalVigilance

Everyone uses poll numbers so Paul has no control on your so called “tactics”.

Since you call the poll numbers fake, give us your true poll numbers.

Will be waiting just like others on here for your answers to questions they already posted to you.

Sorry dude, your Johnson is running a crappy campaign and it shows. Again he still has his wife and you supporting him.

Can you vote in KY?


32 posted on 02/24/2010 5:39:15 PM PST by VicVega ( SAINTS WIN THE SUPER BOWL)
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To: VicVega
Pollster apologizes for omitting Bill Johnson from poll - admits that results are not accurate [KY]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE         February 24, 2010
INTERVIEWS AND QUESTIONS:  DAVID FLAHERTY 303­-861­-8585
 
MAGELLAN DATA AND MAPPING STRATEGIES APOLOGIZES FOR NOT INCLUDING BILL JOHNSON AND OTHER DECLARED US SENATE CANDIDATES IN KENTUCKY GOP PRIMARY SURVEY
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Louisville, CO – Magellan Strategies CEO David Flaherty today contacted US Senate candidate Bill Johnson and apologized to him personally for not including his name in Magellan’s February 18th survey of likely Republican primary voters.  Magellan CEO David Flaherty stated “It was a gross oversight on our part and we sincerely apologize for any problems this may have caused to the Johnson, Grayson and other Republican US Senate campaigns in Kentucky.”   
 
Flaherty continued, “The US Senate ballot test question from our February 18th survey is not accurate because Bill Johnson and other declared candidates were not included in the question.  Without Bill Johnson and the other primary candidates included in the ballot test question the results are obviously not an accurate reflection of the Republican primary ballot that voters will choose from on May 18th.”

David Flaherty also contacted the Trey Grayson Campaign to apologize for the error. 


FYI, the poll numbers that reflect reality, according to both the Johnson and Grayson campaigns, can be found HERE. They show Rand Paul in third, and the strength of his support to be very weak.

33 posted on 02/24/2010 5:58:34 PM PST by EternalVigilance (TATBO - "Throw All The Bums Out")
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To: EternalVigilance
If true, what the post claims would be a return to the pre-Roe condition, which btw, I am pretty sure that in 1972, every single state had passed strong restrictions on abortions! These were wiped away in the SCOTUS's ridiculous preemption of state power.
34 posted on 02/24/2010 5:59:06 PM PST by TeachableMoment
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To: VicVega
Sorry dude, your Johnson is running a crappy campaign and it shows.

That's funny. He's spent a fraction of what Paul or Grayson have spent, and he's moved into a solid second, within easy striking distance of the establishment-backed candidate.

35 posted on 02/24/2010 6:00:46 PM PST by EternalVigilance (TATBO - "Throw All The Bums Out")
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To: TeachableMoment

The right to life is God-given and unalienable, not man-given and therefore alienable. For all innocent persons.

And every officer of government, at all levels, have sworn an oath to defend that life.

It isn’t optional, and it isn’t either/or, it’s imperative and all of the above.


36 posted on 02/24/2010 6:03:33 PM PST by EternalVigilance (TATBO - "Throw All The Bums Out")
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To: EternalVigilance

Guy has to apologize for not including someone polling in single digits? Love it.

The poll you are using as Johnson leading is dated the 6th of Feb. Now who is using “poll tactics”? LOL

Sorry the Palin bump kills that poll.

Johnson has never been in the race. It has been between Paul and the democrat Greyson.

If Johnson and Greyson add their numbers together maybe they poll higher than Paul.

Maybe, in their minds, the voters can than choose the both of them against Paul, hope they win, then beat the democrat in the general and they can split duties in Washington. Sorry guys, only one person can win.

Johnson, who I thought was a decent guy, is turning into a joke. A big joke for joining the likes of Greyson.

When do you expect Johnson to wave the white flag? It seems its getting near.


37 posted on 02/24/2010 6:10:44 PM PST by VicVega ( SAINTS WIN THE SUPER BOWL)
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To: EternalVigilance

You’re basing that on your Feb 6th poll. That must be a EternalVigilance poll tactic?


38 posted on 02/24/2010 6:12:07 PM PST by VicVega ( SAINTS WIN THE SUPER BOWL)
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To: EternalVigilance

“What other of our unalienable rights do you believe this about other than the right to life?”

Our unalienable rights are civil rights for the most part, to the extent that they are not codified into criminal law. Such codifications are almost always at a state level. And that’s the way it should be...


39 posted on 02/24/2010 6:17:23 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: EternalVigilance

Abortion is proper STATE legislation as is criminal legislation of all sorts including murder which is what abortion is. The FedGov can define and prosecute crimes of its legislative choice where it has jurisdiction and states do not.


40 posted on 02/24/2010 6:36:25 PM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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