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Are We Overpaying Grandpa? (elderly get government assistance - not commensurate w/numbers)
NY Times ^ | 2/24/10 | CASEY B. MULLIGAN

Posted on 02/24/2010 8:37:25 PM PST by Libloather

Are We Overpaying Grandpa?
By CASEY B. MULLIGAN
Casey B. Mulligan is an economics professor at the University of Chicago.
February 24, 2010, 6:00 am

The elderly receive a large amount of government assistance – an amount that is not commensurate with their numbers.

The total annual income in the United States (national income, as economists call it) is about $12.5 trillion, or about $40,000 per person per year. The egalitarian view of government is that it taxes persons with annual incomes more than $40,000, and pays benefits to persons with less than $40,000, so that those with less than average incomes could enjoy living standards closer to the average.

For reasons that I began to explain last week, our government actually does the opposite. The vast bulk of government spending goes to the elderly, whose average living standards are significantly above $40,000 per year.

Social Security, Medicare and government employee retirement (federal, state and local) are government funds paid to people aged 62 and over (aged 65 and over, in the case of Medicare), and total about $1.5 trillion in the current fiscal year. Annual Medicare spending is $12,000 per person aged 65 and over, and growing. Annual Social Security and government employee retirement payments are $21,000 per person aged 62 and over.

(Excerpt) Read more at economix.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deathpanels; elderly; grandpa; hussein; nyt; soylentgreen
According to the leftists - old people suck. Surprised?

From the Maha -

New York Times Blog: Are We Overpaying Grandpa?

RUSH: By the way, if you are elderly, I have a piece here, it's a New York Times blog. They are coming for you in another way, not just health care, but the headline of this blog is: "Are We Overpaying Grandpa?" Democrat hypocrisy is funny and it's serious, but it's common.

"Are We Overpaying Grandpa?" The war on the elderly continues. (buzzer) Republicans, they're no different than the Democrats! They're just worthless! "The elderly receive a large amount of government assistance -- an amount that is not commensurate with their numbers. The total annual income in the United States (national income, as economists call it) is about $12.5 trillion, or about $40,000 per person per year. The egalitarian view of government is that it taxes persons with annual incomes more than $40,000, and pays benefits to persons with less than $40,000, so that those with less than average incomes could enjoy living standards closer to the average." That's the theory. "For reasons that I," this is the blogger, "began to explain last week, our government actually does the opposite.

"The vast bulk of government spending goes to the elderly, whose average living standards are significantly above $40,000 per year. Social Security, Medicare and government employee retirement (federal, state and local) are government funds paid to people aged 62 and over (aged 65 and over, in the case of Medicare), and total about $1.5 trillion in the current fiscal year. Annual Medicare spending is $12,000 per person aged 65 and over, and growing. Annual Social Security and government employee retirement payments are $21,000 per person aged 62 and over. Medicaid, hospital and other public health programs are open to persons of all ages, although those programs spend more per participant on the elderly than on the others."

The blogger says, "I estimate that, on average, these health programs are annually spending $7,000 per American aged 65 and over. Combined, the public pension and public health programs are spending an average of $40,000 per elderly American per year. Thus, even if elderly Americans could rely on no other income source, on average they could have living standards of $40,000 per year. Moreover, many of the elderly have significant private incomes and wealth in their homes, which means that elderly average living standards actually far exceed $40,000 and thereby exceed the living standards of the average American. How is it possible that so much government spending goes to persons with above average living standards? This is one of the great puzzles in economics and political science."

It's not a puzzle! The blogger at the New York Times can't figure this out? It's 'cause they are the ones who vote in record numbers. The elderly, to keep the gravy train flowing, they show up and they vote. Every four years we worry about the youth vote, and, "Why isn't the yute vote voting!" because they're not being paid to vote yet. So, once again, the New York Times is beating the drum for cutting Social Security and Medicare, Medicaid benefits for the elderly. This is what they're doing. Why else write this? So now we got Obama's health care, which does have deathly panels in it -- we know full well that your age, your medical condition, how many years you have left according to actuarial charts -- will determine whether or not you get government-mandated health coverage.

Isn't it funny, my friends, how during election years the media and the rest of the Democrats always accuse the Republicans of wanting to do exactly what the New York Times is suggesting here. (buzzer) Republicans suck! Every four years, we're told that the Republicans want to cut Social Security, take the elder's houses away from them. We are told every four years that the Republicans basically want to feed dog food to the elderly, and as a bonus they'll buy 'em new can openers so they don't cut their fingers are manual can openers trying to eat. Yet here's the New York Times, the Obama gospel, advocating just that. (buzzer) There's no difference in the Democrats and the Republicans. They're both worthless, and that's why we've got Obama.

1 posted on 02/24/2010 8:37:26 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather
We all know BO wants to give granny a pain pill and let her die, so this is hardly unexpected. Surely a trial balloon from the BO administration. Another sinister detail: the author is an economics professor at the University of Chicago.
2 posted on 02/24/2010 8:40:52 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia; bitt; Bitsy; GOPsterinMA; rodguy911; GOP_Lady; Lady Jag; Candor7; RobinMasters; ZULU; ...

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3 posted on 02/24/2010 8:46:12 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: Libloather

I know a few old people who voted for him. I hope they get their Obama cake. Baby boomers turn is very soon too. Young people are totally screwed with Husseins debt. Let all eat cake.


4 posted on 02/24/2010 8:49:05 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: La Lydia

My 95 year old mother’s Idea of a great time is going to the doctor. I think she alone has bankrupted SS and medicare. It’s amazing!! She keeps thinking she is sick. I told my wife we will put on her stone “ told you I was sick” !! Thank you FDR!!


5 posted on 02/24/2010 8:52:08 PM PST by Empireoftheatom48 (Zero will never be my President, never!!!!!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

No surprise this revelation came from a Chicago Professor.
She probably advises the ObamaIdiot.

When it comes to the politics of division, the Rats take a back seat to no one, not even Himmler. But attacking senior citizens is a new low.

I wonder how many of those people STILL support Obama’s buddies over in AARP?????


6 posted on 02/24/2010 8:52:53 PM PST by ZULU (Hey Obama, how DO you pronounce "corpsman"?????)
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To: Libloather

Government assistance is a bestowed stipend, which may or may not be related to some service performed in the past, as opposed to an EARNED pension, in which a certain amount is set aside and invested in a paying enterprise, and allowed to make use of the magic of compound interest.

Social Security has NEVER been allowed to be used as a personal pension fund, and also, it has never been held to account. The payment is treated as an entitlement, not an earned and just reward. Originally, the pool of entitled persons who would actually live to receive some portion of the fund was quite small, but over time the pool just kept getting bigger, while the contributions grew more slowly.

Capitalism works. But only if you allow it to be practiced.

Government assistance is about as far as anybody could get from the practice of capitalism.


7 posted on 02/24/2010 8:53:21 PM PST by alloysteel (....the Kennedys can be regarded as dysfunctional. Even in death.)
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To: Empireoftheatom48

If she is 95, she must be doing something right, health-wise. Look on the bright side: doctor’s office visits are probably not as expensive as regular Mediterranean cruises and toy boys.


8 posted on 02/24/2010 8:56:16 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: Libloather

The amazing thing about the article is that it makes no attempt to show whether the benefits are justified based on the contributions those elderly mad.

You don’t qualify for SS benefits unless you’d contributed for 40qtrs, and your benefit is based on the highest 20qtrs. So the dirty little secret is not that the SS benefits are too high, but that the high-contributors are getting ripped off while the low-contributors are getting much more than they ever contributed.

So this bozo complains that those elderly who have other sources of income and assets are being “overpaid”, yet those are likely the same people that paid high taxes into the system and are getting screwed already relative to what they paid.


9 posted on 02/24/2010 8:56:26 PM PST by Kellis91789 (Democrat: Someone who supports killing children, but protests executing convicted murderers.)
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To: La Lydia

this happens to be true.....vast resources are paid to older people....buts its even worse than the article says because most fed and state workers start collecting far sooner than age 62....


10 posted on 02/24/2010 8:56:44 PM PST by cherry (i)
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To: alloysteel

I’ve often wondered if the SS/M fund would be solvent if the benefits were calculated as though the taxes collected had been contributions to annuity funds and the annuity earned whatever interest rate the Treasury paid when it borrowed the money from it.

Had it been done that way initially, I think we’d still be screwed as lifespans exceeded what was expected, but I don’t think its debt would be the nightmare it is now.


11 posted on 02/24/2010 9:02:35 PM PST by Kellis91789 (Democrat: Someone who supports killing children, but protests executing convicted murderers.)
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To: Libloather

I’m wondering how long until we start hearing about asking the elderly to just croak and make room for younger people.


12 posted on 02/24/2010 9:03:52 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: Libloather

It’s giving entitlement money to illegal aliens that is a crime! Most of them have paid nothing into anything...and send money home to help their elders.


13 posted on 02/24/2010 9:10:11 PM PST by lonestar (Obama and his czars have turned Bush's "mess" into a national crisis!)
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To: Empireoftheatom48

What the older people need is not more money but better health.

Not better health care or health care insurance, but better health.

Otherwise, all the money in the world will be insufficient.

Lacking that improvement, and that change, no amount of anything else is going to make a major difference.

All the talk, is only about the money — and nothing about the health.


14 posted on 02/24/2010 9:13:44 PM PST by MikeHu
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To: Frantzie
I argued with my friend about Obama being a disaster for our economy and security. He kept trying to assure me that Obama was a middle of the road candidate who would be kept in the middle by other politicians. My friend now realizes his mistake but it's too bad the HVAC business he owns is ready to go under. He's been struggling ever since Obama got elected.
15 posted on 02/24/2010 9:28:07 PM PST by peeps36 (Democrats Don't Need No Stinking Input From You Little People)
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To: Kellis91789
I know of immigrants who came here,claimed they were over 65 and immediately started collecting SS...

and then there is the foreign born young wife,non citizen, who married and old fart already ollecting and guess what...she and he kids got checks too because the "dad" was over 65

16 posted on 02/24/2010 9:40:19 PM PST by cherry (i)
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To: Libloather

My Mother never used Medicare. Refused to go to a Doc, lived to be 90, and died peacefully in her sleep.


17 posted on 02/24/2010 9:41:13 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Marty62

Your mother was lucky!


18 posted on 02/24/2010 9:56:34 PM PST by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: peeps36
but it's too bad the HVAC business he owns is ready to go under

pssssst... blame the global warming......

19 posted on 02/24/2010 10:12:38 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Libloather
The egalitarian view of government is that it taxes persons with annual incomes more than $40,000, and pays benefits to persons with less than $40,000, so that those with less than average incomes could enjoy living standards closer to the average.

Egalitarian? Uh, no, that is the "redistributive" or "socialist" point of view.

This is really fantastically silly. The reason old people get a "disproportionate" share of benefits is that (1) they enjoy retirement benefits, being, well, old, and those who aren't, don't, and (2) they enjoy medical benefits in proportion to medical problems, of which they have a higher instance than other age demographics. This isn't difficult. One will find that very young people enjoy the same dubious privilege, being too young to contribute to the system but not too young to pull from it. Anyone who professes surprise at this probably hasn't thought it through.

20 posted on 02/24/2010 10:13:35 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Aria
My eldest aunt got to 88, because she listened to the doctors. Her siblings, much more careless about their health, did not come within a decade of that.
21 posted on 02/24/2010 10:14:02 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: peeps36

Wow.

A relative has a friend in WA state. He had a great business and foolishly voted for Obama. He does not love him now and his business is about to go under. Hard lessons for naive people.

What I saw after he won - is any people with money stopped spending. Mid sized business owners just started cutting the day after the election. Just liked you saw with your friend’s business. People fear him, have no confidence and every day they expect things will get worse (and they are).


22 posted on 02/24/2010 10:19:12 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Libloather

Well, Newsweek already had their article: “The case for killing Grandman”.

I keep telling Dad Obama and the dems are measuring him for a box.


23 posted on 02/24/2010 10:21:52 PM PST by sinanju
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To: cherry

Open borders will or really already have bankrupted us.


24 posted on 02/24/2010 10:24:14 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: cherry

I’ve heard that about immigrants that were granted refugee status, but I don’t know what the terms are in general. Without any records of contributions and earnings, I would hope their benefit amount is the minimum. Of course that would still be an infinite rate of return on their zero contribution.


25 posted on 02/24/2010 10:33:25 PM PST by Kellis91789 (Democrat: Someone who supports killing children, but protests executing convicted murderers.)
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To: Empireoftheatom48
My paternal grandmother lived to be 90. She lived with my aunt (who was widowed) Aunt Zella called one day and told my mother she wanted everyone to chip in to give grandma a party as she was going to be 75 and she could die any time....

Mom got off the phone and told my father what his sister said about grandma could die at any time...I will never forget my fathers answer and laugh about it. "You couldn't kill that old woman with a baseball bat" Grandma lived another 15 years...He was born in 1901, grew up on a farm in Michigan and knew his mother was a tough old bird...

(but he said it with respect, love and truth)

26 posted on 02/24/2010 11:57:51 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Libloather

Yes, and much more on Grandma.


27 posted on 02/25/2010 2:46:10 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: Frantzie

Start preparing your defense you will need before the Death Panels. More like the Nazi Monkey trials


28 posted on 02/25/2010 3:08:03 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: La Lydia

We are overpaying government workers, all of them, including teachers.


29 posted on 02/25/2010 4:10:01 AM PST by AdaGray
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To: Aria

she prayed daily and led a healthy life.


30 posted on 02/25/2010 6:15:50 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: alloysteel
Social Security has NEVER been allowed to be used as a personal pension fund, and also, it has never been held to account. The payment is treated as an entitlement, not an earned and just reward.

Social Security is actually earned, and is based on how much money you paid in. Sure, at first people got more than they paid in, and in simple dollars it is still true, but for people retiring today, SS recipients as a whole are not getting out any more than they put in. Medicare is theoretically the same way, but it never took enough in so they fund it with general revenues as well. Retirement is earned as well. So in all, while the elderly get money from the government, most of it isn't "handouts", it is paid for with years of service, or with years of taxes.

31 posted on 02/25/2010 9:07:30 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: peeps36

It’s time to ask Americans that old question: Are you better off since Obama came to office or worse off?


32 posted on 02/25/2010 10:47:48 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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