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Toy Rifles Seized in Tacoma
The Seattle Times ^ | 2/25/10 | John De Leon

Posted on 02/25/2010 11:15:26 AM PST by Rinnwald

Earlier this month, U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers at the Port of Tacoma seized a shipment of 30 toy M-4 automatic rifles that had arrived on Oct. 20 in a 40-foot ocean container.

The shipment's manifest listed the contents as "Toys and Parts" and was shipped from a manufacturer in Taiwan, according to a Customs and Border Protection news release. The rifles were the same size, weight and look of an M-4 automatic rifle, which is used by the U.S. military. The rifles had no serial numbers and did not have an orange-blaze tip which is required for all imported of toy guns.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: customs; donutwatch; machinegun; toy; washington
Valiant C-Men saving us from orange tip-less toy rifles. KOMO News earlier called them "machine guns", but The Seattle Times wisely toned it down to "toy rifles" in the emerging realization that the Big Bust was, well..a big bust.

The money quote from the article:

"These rifles could have had far-reaching and potentially devastating ramifications if they had gotten into the hands of individuals who wanted to do harm in the American population", Customs and Border Protection Area Port Director Rolando Suliveras Jr. said in a news release.

1 posted on 02/25/2010 11:15:27 AM PST by Rinnwald
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To: Rinnwald
"These rifles could have had far-reaching and potentially devastating ramifications if they had gotten into the hands of individuals who wanted to do harm in the American population", Customs and Border Protection Area Port Director Rolando Suliveras Jr. said in a news release.

Those things could leave a minor welt!

Save us from the horror!!!

2 posted on 02/25/2010 11:18:35 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Rinnwald

I feel so much safer now....


3 posted on 02/25/2010 11:19:42 AM PST by Species8472 (The problem with political jokes is that they get elected)
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To: Rinnwald

>”These rifles could have had far-reaching and potentially devastating ramifications if they had gotten into the hands of individuals who wanted to do harm in the American population”

Such as so called “Law enforcement officers” shooting at young citizens who have the right to keep and bear arms because they, not realizing they were toys, thought they were armed?


4 posted on 02/25/2010 11:19:47 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Rinnwald

5 posted on 02/25/2010 11:19:56 AM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: Rinnwald

Soon as I read the headline, I started looking for anything discussing the orange tip. I found it.

Without the orange tip, toy guns are illegal and they had grounds to confiscate. Not that I agree with the law, but it is the law.


6 posted on 02/25/2010 11:25:07 AM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: OneWingedShark
Such as so called “Law enforcement officers” shooting at young citizens who have the right to keep and bear arms because they, not realizing they were toys, thought they were armed?

Or perhaps a rash of idiots entering banks with said toy and a note...or perhaps pointing one at a soccer mom in order to hijack her minivan, or worse. I can imagine a lot of scenarios where these toys could cause a great deal of mayhem for people who don't have the wherewithall to tell the difference between a real M4 and a fake one.

Just sayin'.

7 posted on 02/25/2010 11:25:15 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: Rinnwald

Great example of a main stream media template story…see how news runs, see how news flies, see how news makes fact, see how news fits the desired story line, see how news makes propaganda…


8 posted on 02/25/2010 11:27:33 AM PST by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

And how does this eliminate or exacerbate what goes on anyway?


9 posted on 02/25/2010 11:30:53 AM PST by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: RobRoy

And, it is just as within the scope of the constitution as Kelo.


10 posted on 02/25/2010 11:40:14 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Rinnwald

What were they gonna do? Put my eye with potato spud or nerf bullet?


11 posted on 02/25/2010 11:50:31 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: RobRoy
-- Without the orange tip, toy guns are illegal and they had grounds to confiscate. Not that I agree with the law, but it is the law. --

The funny thing is the press release, not the interception. "Hey, we got REAL GUNS!!!!"

12 posted on 02/25/2010 11:54:12 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

>>Such as so called “Law enforcement officers” shooting at young citizens who have the right to keep and bear arms because they,
>>not realizing they were toys, thought they were armed?
>
>Or perhaps a rash of idiots entering banks with said toy and a note...

Which is why the banker should have a gun at every booth and the tellers trained in how to use them...

>or perhaps pointing one at a soccer mom in order to hijack her minivan, or worse.

Which is why the soccer-mom has the Constitutionally-acknowledged right to keep and bear arms. As well as the legal defense of “I was in fear for my life and that of my children” when the perps are found with multiple .38 holes in them.

>I can imagine a lot of scenarios where these toys could cause a great deal of mayhem for people who don’t have the wherewithall to tell the difference between a real M4 and a fake one.

That is irrelevant. Our judicial system is supposed to be about after-the-fact-provable-crimes, NOT every COULD or MIGHT possibility.

If you’re concerned with could & might so much, then I would like to point out that you could be run over in a traffic accident as you cross the street, or you might not see the car in your blind-spot as you switch lanes... both walking and driving are potentially fatal.

>Just sayin’.

And so am I. But let me ask you this: if I have the right to keep and bear arms [and I live in an open carry-state], why did the police show up to a call-in report that I had a gun? Moreover, why did they harass my family when the report that I was there turn out to be false?

I trust the PD about as far as can throw a police cruiser.


13 posted on 02/25/2010 12:02:02 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Rinnwald

WOW! I bet some Mexican gang members were REEEELY upset about THIS bust, huh??!!


14 posted on 02/25/2010 12:08:41 PM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Rinnwald

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15 posted on 02/25/2010 1:07:29 PM PST by Sasparilla
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To: OneWingedShark

What do YOU propose “so called law-enforcement officers” do with young upstanding citizens who use toy guns to do hold ups or who point that at officers?

What would you do if somebody pointed what looks exactly like a real gun from 10’ at you?


16 posted on 02/25/2010 1:14:43 PM PST by SeminoleSoldier
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To: RobRoy

Not that I agree with the law, but it is the law.
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And we must always obey the law...

I bet the orange tips were sperate, its not uncommon to do some assembly when the product gets to this country. Orange tips may have been manufactured somewhere else for putting on the guns by the wholesaler/distributer. My guess is they are playing CYA and making the orange tips an issue after the “oh sh*t moment that these are not real guns!”


17 posted on 02/25/2010 1:19:09 PM PST by lp boonie (Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment)
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To: lp boonie

I just meant that it is not a story. If they had had the orange tips, it would be more of a story, assuming some other pretty well known law was not being violated.


18 posted on 02/25/2010 1:22:17 PM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: SeminoleSoldier
"What would you do if someone pointed what looks exactly like a real gun from 10' at you?

First I would do what they say. Then, if I had a chance, I would draw my REAL firearm and ventilate them.

19 posted on 02/25/2010 1:26:16 PM PST by gigster
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To: Rinnwald

The worst part of the story is that they say one could easily swap out some parts in this air-soft gun and turn it into a full-auto firearm. Poppycock.


20 posted on 02/25/2010 1:30:08 PM PST by gigster
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To: Rinnwald

OMW! Director Rolando Suliveras Jr. sounds like a blithering idiot. I guess these toy rifles could have killed a lot of people. I am so glad he saved us.


21 posted on 02/25/2010 1:43:13 PM PST by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: SeminoleSoldier

>What do YOU propose “so called law-enforcement officers” do with young upstanding citizens who use toy guns to do hold ups or who point that at officers?

Well, I would hope that they would bring a hose to wash away the gunk left behind from when the real upstanding citizens blow them away.

But honestly, you’re making the assumption that the ‘weapons’ would be used in a heist or assault on someone.

Do you think that people should be arrested for simply carrying a gun in public? In an open carry state? Where the state Constitution affirms your right to do so AND prohibits contrary laws?

>What would you do if somebody pointed what looks exactly like a real gun from 10’ at you?

I’d probably have “the talk” with them... if they made actual aggressive moves, I’d defend myself.


22 posted on 02/25/2010 3:47:50 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Just sayin' you sound like a typical liberal idiot. Not that I believe you are, but the stupid law about orange tips is relatively new. Before it came into effect many toy guns resembled the real thing and there were no catastrophic shootings attributed to kids(and adults)running around with toy guns without orange tips. At one time in this country the average person had common sense and could tell real guns from fake ones. It is obvious you didn't grow up in the 1940s, 50s or even the 60s, when we were still free.

Seeing all of this PC crap when you experienced freedom first hand is laughable and very, very sad.

23 posted on 02/25/2010 5:16:15 PM PST by calex59
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To: Rinnwald

This is clearly the work of the devious La Grenouille!


24 posted on 02/25/2010 5:19:00 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: RobRoy
It's not a story? Our feds mistaking a bunch of toy rifles for the real thing is not a story? Once you have one of these plastic wonders in your hands, or even get very close to it, if the cops can't tell they are fake they need to be in some other business. This is a story and it not only underlines the stupidity and dictatorial nature of our present government, it shows the stupidity of the MSM for running with this and calling them machine guns.

It doesn't make the FReepers defending this BS look too hot either.

25 posted on 02/25/2010 5:20:29 PM PST by calex59
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Not that any enterprising bad guy would think to paint the orange tip black...


26 posted on 02/25/2010 5:22:18 PM PST by PLMerite (Ride to the sound of the Guns - I'll probably need help.)
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To: OneWingedShark

So in your perfect world “real upstanding citizens” would gun down law enforcement officers for engaging criminals using toy guns to commit serious crimes?

To call you a flaming idiot would be a compliment.

The discussion here was never about open carry, but rather incidents where police have killed “youths” carrying toy guns but threatening people or officers.


27 posted on 02/25/2010 7:44:23 PM PST by SeminoleSoldier
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To: gigster

And you’d be right to do so. My comment was directed to OneWingShark who feels that officers should just have a friendly chat with “upstanding young Americans” pointing replica guns at them. If they shoot them, he feels that they should be shot by good Americans.


28 posted on 02/25/2010 7:51:15 PM PST by SeminoleSoldier
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To: SeminoleSoldier

>So in your perfect world “real upstanding citizens” would gun down law enforcement officers for engaging criminals using toy guns to commit serious crimes?

...that’s not what I said. I said in my perfect world the police would be relegated to clean up [more oftan than not they are anyway].

>To call you a flaming idiot would be a compliment.

Why thank you.

>The discussion here was never about open carry,

But open carry touches on this issue, like so:
1) Someone sees somebody ‘with a weapon’ & calls the police.
- Notice that we live in the US where, supposedly, people have the RIGHT to be armed.
- Notice also that the caller most likely is calling ONLY because the person is armed, that is without any observation of violent intent, illegal activities, or even dangerous activities.

2) The police, now having a call about weapons have to respond.

3) The police who respond have several options:
- The first is send a policeman to check it out... if it’s a false alarm the single officer should have the courtesy/demeanor to handle the situation in a non-threatening manner; however, if the call is NOT a false alarm a single officer w/o immediate backup is a bad idea.

- So, they could rendezvous several officers together and then head in to check the situation out; there are again two ways to handle this:
A) Send an officer [and partner] over to inquire about the nature of the call with the others ready-to-respond; or,
B) Barging in on the property, weapons drawn, and refusing to state their purpose is NOT a good option. (IE that in itself is escalating force.)

4) Even if there IS an actual weapon involved it could be perfectly legal usage thereof that precipitated the call.

THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO ME: 1, 2, 3(B), 4
THE 911 CALL WASN’T EVEN MADE BY SOMEONE WHO HAD SEEN ME WITH THE WEAPON, BUT SOMEONE WHO HAD HEARD THAT I HAD A WEAPON.

But I live in an open-carry state, whose Constitution bars ANY law infringing on being armed for self-defense, hunting, recreation, or “other legal activities.”

>but rather incidents where police have killed “youths” carrying toy guns but threatening people or officers.

Ok then, I’ll ask: WHERE HAVE POLICE BEEN THREATENED WITH TOYS? Moreover, why shouldn’t it be the “people” dealing with the person that’s threatening them (that is, self defense) and letting the police clean up the mess?


29 posted on 02/25/2010 8:08:36 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: calex59

It’s not a story because the plastic guns did not have the orange tips. For me, the real story is that the orange tips are required. When they first passed the law I was at a toy store and wondered if the orange was some sort of paint repellent material. Could one not quickly give the tip of any of these guns a quick spray of krylon semi-flat black, or even use a magic marker. As a kid, I would have done that to make my toy gun look more real.

IOW, I think the law is lame, but this is not a story because these guns did not comply with a law that is pretty universally complied with.


30 posted on 02/26/2010 5:00:05 AM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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