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Six hours later, stalemate remains
Politico.com ^ | 02/25/10 | CARRIE BUDOFF BROWN

Posted on 02/25/2010 2:42:28 PM PST by OldDeckHand

Thursday’s health care summit wound down with President Barack Obama making clear he couldn’t sign on to the Republican plan for reform, wouldn’t abandon reconciliation and had no intention of scrapping his own plan – capping the six-plus-hour session with a dig at Republicans for pitching a bill that covers just a fraction of the uninsured.

“Those steps don’t get you to the place people need to go,” Obama said of the Republican plan.

Republicans said the same thing in their closing comments that they said at 10 a.m. – start over. Obama won’t.

So the parties walked out of Blair House almost exactly the way they walked in – completely at odds over the best way to fix the health insurance system. That means Democrats are almost certain to go ahead with plans to short-circuit Senate rules to try to pass the bill with a 51-vote majority, as early as next week.

The day-long session had flashes of gripping political theater, rival parties laying bare their philosophical differences on a critical issue with TV cameras rolling. At one point, Obama sparred with his ex-presidential rival John McCain. “We’re not campaigning anymore, John,” Obama said. “The election is over now.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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If Politico is calling it a "stalemate", then you know Obama got his @ss handed to him.

That means Democrats are almost certain to go ahead with plans to short-circuit Senate rules to try to pass the bill with a 51-vote majority, as early as next week.

We shall see.

1 posted on 02/25/2010 2:42:28 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Hope and change -— ain’t it beautiful??


2 posted on 02/25/2010 2:43:59 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: OldDeckHand

“Stalemate” must be the Democrat talking point.

Truth: Obama, et al, played politics and were not there in good faith.

The Democrats lack of good faith showed.


3 posted on 02/25/2010 2:44:48 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: OldDeckHand

To wrap up with a pack of lies. How typical.


4 posted on 02/25/2010 2:45:36 PM PST by Carley
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To: OldDeckHand

Is anybody really surprised? Rush said it today . . tomorrow they’ll be touting Republicans as having nothing substantial to offer.


5 posted on 02/25/2010 2:46:04 PM PST by mentor2k
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To: OldDeckHand

I would say it was a Checkmate for Republicans...So the little boy President knocked over the board and went crying home......


6 posted on 02/25/2010 2:46:17 PM PST by jakerobins
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To: OldDeckHand

So everything went exactly as planed then?


7 posted on 02/25/2010 2:46:42 PM PST by JoSixChip (HOPE = Have Obumber Prove Eligibility)
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To: OldDeckHand

If the GOP shows the guts that they did today, they will take turns challenging it line by line and forcing a 60 vote requirement on each line. They should keep the thing tied up until after the elections that way.


8 posted on 02/25/2010 2:47:44 PM PST by Ingtar (I closed my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone...)
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To: OldDeckHand

Six hours ago, Politico said this would ‘put a face on gridlock’. Since the word ‘gridlock’ doesn’t appear in this 3-page article, I assume it didn’t happen.


9 posted on 02/25/2010 2:48:11 PM PST by Question Liberal Authority (Proud Member of the Teeth Party Movement)
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To: OldDeckHand
JUST A FEW OF THE DETAILS OF OBAMA’s DEATH PANELS:

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS WHO SELF-INSURE!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE which decides what treatments & benefits you get.
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt WILL RESTRICT ENROLLMENT of Special Needs people.

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you.
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC WILL BE PROVIDED TO ALL NON-US CITIZENS, illegal or otherwise.
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill- ALL NON-RESIDENT ALIENS will be exempt from individual taxes. (Resident Americans will pay)

Pg 58 HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued.
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer, no choice.
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC EXCHANGE to bring private HC plans under Govt control.
PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs for private HC plans in the Exchange.
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs. for of Benefit Levels for Plans.
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.
pg 124 Lines 24-25 HC No company can sue Government on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Government Monopoly.
pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill -DOCTORS/ AMA - The Govt will tell you what your salary will be TAX.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 All Employers MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll 400k & above, who does not provide public option, pays 8% tax on all payroll.
pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to the Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances & personal records.
PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax".
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill- Govt WILL REDUCE PHYSICIAN SERVICES for Medicaid Seniors, and low income people.
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consultations. (seniors)
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.
PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program for orders for end of life.The Govt has a say in how your life ends
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.
PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may include an ORDER FOR END OF LIFE plans. AN "ORDER" from GOV
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

10 posted on 02/25/2010 2:49:24 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: OldDeckHand
“Those steps don’t get you to the place people need to go,” Obama said of the Republican plan.

How the hell would Obama know because he hasn't even read it! He doesn't even know what is in the RATS plan.

11 posted on 02/25/2010 2:49:59 PM PST by kcvl
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To: OldDeckHand

The Kenyan, Mr. Sotero, reminded me of an 8-year-old playing tree house boys club. He is so immature and oh so tiresomely stupid. He doesn’t even possess the skills of a junior executive in running a meeting of the stationery committee.


12 posted on 02/25/2010 2:51:08 PM PST by thelastvirgil ("Be good and you will be lonesome." -- Mark Twain)
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To: OldDeckHand
Let them try. They need to get to 60 votes first before they can resort to reconciliation. The Democrats won't get a single GOP vote for their bill.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

13 posted on 02/25/2010 2:52:59 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: OldDeckHand

I Idn’t ecpect anything else. Obama is a complete tyrant. It’s his way or the highway. The Pubs were royaly had! I just hope all Americans understood what was happening right in front of their eyes on their tv screens, and proceed accordingly.


14 posted on 02/25/2010 2:53:28 PM PST by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: Paperdoll

You are wrong. They beat the crap out of him.

He was shown to be unable to negotiate anything.


15 posted on 02/25/2010 2:55:10 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Tax the poor. Taxes will give them a stake in society)
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To: goldstategop

The biggest and most obvious stalemate is between obamo’s ears. It’s dumb vs. dumber and winner take all.


16 posted on 02/25/2010 2:55:23 PM PST by Huebolt (Democrat = (national socialist) = NAZI)
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To: jakerobins

As I watched that Incompetent Babbler go on all I could think of was Man is this Country in trouble with this fool as the P I cant even type the title,man I hope our enemies were not watching that boob


17 posted on 02/25/2010 2:55:23 PM PST by ballplayer
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To: OldDeckHand
“Those steps don’t get you to the place people need to go,” Obama said

0bummerCare gets you to the place 0bummer wants you to go:


18 posted on 02/25/2010 3:05:58 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Liberal Massachusetts says: "FUBO!")
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To: OldDeckHand; maica
We’re not campaigning anymore, John,”

Did "John" address Obama as "Barack"? How disrespectful of zer0 to address Senators and Representatives by their first names at a formal meeting. He is so condescending.

19 posted on 02/25/2010 3:08:24 PM PST by Freee-dame
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To: bert

You just wait, it will be to no avail for the Pubs. They will be given credit for having nothing valuable to add. As I’ve said on other threads, the radical left turns all to their advantage. Diabolic!


20 posted on 02/25/2010 3:08:45 PM PST by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: ballplayer

Sorry Ballplayer, but the enemies ARE watching their brother muslim imbedded inside the White House.

America better WTFU!


21 posted on 02/25/2010 3:09:58 PM PST by panaxanax (It's time for TEA Party Patriots to get an 'ATTITUDE'.)
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To: OldDeckHand

“Is anybody really surprised? Rush said it today . . tomorrow they’ll be touting Republicans as having nothing substantial to offer.”

Frankly I was looking for more from republicans...at least in the first half I saw, they didn’t have anything spectacular to offer, which is why they were voted out to begin with. Both parties suck.


22 posted on 02/25/2010 3:11:28 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Freee-dame
"Did "John" address Obama as "Barack"?"

I caught that, too. I can't remember any other time when a sitting President addressed a sitting Congressman/Senator by their first name, in public and in such a formal setting.

I don't remember Reagan ever calling Tip O'Neill, Tip. Nor do I remember Clinton ever calling Gingrich, Newt. Perhaps it happened, but I certainly don't remember it.

23 posted on 02/25/2010 3:12:10 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: panaxanax

I know you are right ,I am just hoping against hope


24 posted on 02/25/2010 3:18:55 PM PST by ballplayer
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To: OldDeckHand

Obama got what he wanted out of this charade.....he forced the Democrats to unify behind him so they can “rahm” this plan through. Obama used the GOP to corner wavering Democrats to get behind the plan or else they would make the Democrat Party look weak.


25 posted on 02/25/2010 3:19:08 PM PST by TennTuxedo
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To: jakerobins

I watched the body language and the faces of both sides as they sat through Obozo’s closing today.

He was a rambling partisan hack and everyone in the room was acting embarrassed. Pelosi was covering her face, the pubbies looked at O like the kook he is. The dems wanted him to shut up and the pubbies wanted him to shut up, but had looks on their faces like, go ahead and drone on O, people can see what a damn petty little kook you are.

That kook was not happy with the outcome. It was easy to tell.


26 posted on 02/25/2010 3:27:47 PM PST by dforest
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To: Ingtar
Places to start MEDICARE and SS. bambi's cuts are going to hurt our elderly badly.

OBAMANOMICS--TRICKLE DOWN DESTRUCTION of the economy

SET THEIR LOCAL AND DC LINES ON FIRE! Bambi doesn't keep his promises...so buyer beware.

Sen Scott Brown's number is 202-224-4543

Capitol Hill switchboard is 202-224-3121

Lots of local demwit phone numbers on this thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2408217/posts

Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke.

Tennessee has joined several other states in trying to pass a Health Care Freedom Act. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Military's secondary health ins. (DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011 needs REPEALED)

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w/

New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake.

OBAMA’s WAR ON SENIORS

Friday, February 19, 2010

Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security

http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security

Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan

http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html

SOCIALIZED MED THREAD

TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html

This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.)

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf

http://www.vawatchdog.org/09/hcva09/hcva110609-1.htm

Bill Would Restrict Veterans’ Health Care Options 11/06/09

Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries

Congress plans to block Tricare fee increases
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w

By Rick Maze - Staff writer, Oct 7, 2009

Tricare fee increases imposed last week by the Defense Department will be repealed by a provision of the compromise 2010 defense authorization bill unveiled Wednesday by House and Senate negotiators.

Snip

The fee increases were announced on Sept. 30 and took effect on Oct. 1, but the defense bill, HR 2647, includes a provision barring any fee increases until the start of fiscal 2011.

Snip

Retired Army Maj. Gen. Bill Matz, president of the National Association for Uniformed Services, said the announcement of fee increases was shocking considering that the Obama administration promised earlier this year to hold off on any new fee Tricare fee increases until fiscal 2011.

“President Obama and DoD assured NAUS and the entire military family earlier this year that there would rightly be no increases in any Tricare fees” in fiscal 2010, Matz said. “We took them at their word, and I can’t believe that a co-pay increase like this was allowed to go forward,” he added.

27 posted on 02/25/2010 3:35:23 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: DonaldC
republicans...at least in the first half I saw, they didn’t have anything spectacular to offer

Letting markets work never sounds as "spectacular" as a tax-and-spend trillion-dollar government program that smashes things and tells everybody what to do.

That's why idiots get stampeded by the media into believing that the Republicans don't offer anything. Supposedly the R's should offer a different Big Government Program. Then we could negotiate and compromise on which elements of each Big Government Program would get into the final Big Government Program.


28 posted on 02/25/2010 3:36:21 PM PST by Nick Danger (Pin the fail on the donkey)
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To: Carley
Obama: No reduced Medicare benefits in health care reform

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/obama.health.care/index.html

Will healthcare reform mean cuts in Medicare for seniors?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2009/1017/will-healthcare-reform-mean-cuts-in-medicare-for-seniors Health Reform’s Hidden Victims

Young people and seniors would pay a high price for ObamaCare.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203517304574306303720472842.html

Slashing Medicare to pay for healthcare reform an ugly shell game

Dr. Stuart M. Shapiro,
July 27, 2009

http://www.mcknights.com/slashing-medicare-to-pay-for-healthcare-reform-an-ugly-shell-game/article/140656/

If the cost is by cutting Medicaid and Medicare, then taxpayers are in for a rude awakening when millions will retire without money to pay for their healthcare. Ransoming seniors' long-term care for immediate, large-scale health reform is more politically beneficial for its supporters in the short-term than it is reasonable for everyone in the long run.

In fact, even in the short-term, one could argue that taxpayers, including the elderly, are looking at an old-fashioned shell game from Washington. No sooner was the ink dry on the federal stimulus package, which provided millions of dollars to support care for the elderly in Pennsylvania, before Congress and the administration began to propose major cuts in Medicare to finance healthcare reform. Because Medicare payments support quality care in our nation's nursing homes, the proposed cuts nationally approaching $50 billion in Medicare payments for the care of the elderly is guaranteed to undercut the quality gains of the past decade. In Pennsylvania, if the proposals currently on the table are enacted, these policies would result in an almost 10% reduction in cumulative payments over 10 years, or more than $2.1 billion.

None of the answers on healthcare, Social Security, Medicaid or Medicare is easy. But there is one thing we do know: Our population is growing older, and doing so rapidly. Cutting money from the programs that finance care for Pennsylvania seniors is seriously flawed. There is no simple or single solution. But there is a wrong way, and taking money from the care for American seniors is deeply flawed.

Stuart H. Shapiro, M.D., is the president and CEO of the Pennsylvania Health Care Association.

29 posted on 02/25/2010 3:38:49 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: Nick Danger

“Letting markets work never sounds as “spectacular” as a tax-and-spend trillion-dollar government”

I don’t want a big government program but health care is about as far away from free market as anyone can get now. I’m just hearing status quo with small changes that will take decades to implement from the repubs, and that is in large part why they were booted from power to begin with. Maybe their ideas will have more impact than I think but I don’t see their ideas as helpful, just becoming more expensive at a slower pace than the dem ideas.


30 posted on 02/25/2010 3:44:17 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: OldDeckHand

I knew the Left would call it a ‘draw’.


31 posted on 02/25/2010 3:46:51 PM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: Paperdoll

You are as dismissive as the President

You are as right as he is


32 posted on 02/25/2010 3:47:00 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Tax the poor. Taxes will give them a stake in society)
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To: bert
He had no intention of negotiating anything, I could tell by his statements, facial expressions and attitude he was not interested in anything the pubs had to say. He staged this dog n pony show to show up the pubs but they were not laying down for him some of them went after him.
33 posted on 02/25/2010 3:54:25 PM PST by Americanexpat
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To: Freee-dame

‘John’ said “Mr President.”

Obama used first names all day, in the spirit of “not being as formal as on the Senate or House floor.”

I call it another example of his willful demeaning of our political system.

I did not watch much of it, so I don’t know if he said “Nancy.” I wouldn’t be surprised if he was a little shy of going that far. She is old enough to be his mother.


34 posted on 02/25/2010 4:19:19 PM PST by maica (Freedom consists not in doing what we like,but in having the right to do what we ought. John Paul II)
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To: bert

>You are as dismissive as the President. you are as ssmart as he is.<

;) Well, aren’t you a sweetheart ?


35 posted on 02/25/2010 4:22:27 PM PST by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: Paperdoll

They weren't had. They played the best they could with the hand dealt to them.

36 posted on 02/25/2010 4:24:41 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: ColdWater

I agree with you. I just am saying that the powers that be will give short shrift to the Pub’s ideas and arguments. I just hope that many vpaters watched the summit so they wom’t be influenced by what comes out the of mouths of the Progressives in the aftermath.


37 posted on 02/25/2010 4:35:01 PM PST by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: Paperdoll

I watched almost the whole thing. I think the Republicans did a great job, way to go guys. Hang tough, tell the Dems to kiss your butt and keep repeating the facts.


38 posted on 02/25/2010 5:27:47 PM PST by Free America52 (The White guys are getting pissed off. We beat Hitler Hirohito and Krushchev. Obama will be easy.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Barack 0bama will either do the reasonable, rational and most responsible thing and start over from scratch...

OR...

He will work with Pelosi and Reid to shove this down the people’s throat.

If the pubbies talk about the “reasonable, rational and responsible” option in the media for the next month they may get a *lot* of public support.


39 posted on 02/25/2010 5:35:15 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: Paperdoll
I just hope that many vpaters watched the summit so they wom’t be influenced by what comes out the of mouths of the Progressives in the aftermath.

I hope so also. But I am encouraged to see some indication that the more they open their mouths, the more people are turned off. That White House Commnications lady on FOX yesterday made a fool of the WH for not responding to the reporters questions. Democrat congresscritters are not answering questions to their constituents when asked if they support the current bill or if they will support reconciliation to get it through. They only answer, 'we support health care reform for America'.

40 posted on 02/26/2010 6:45:21 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: ColdWater

Yes, their arrogance itself is enough to bring up red flags. The Progressives utter lack of regard for propriety when they should know better is unnerving enough. What have we created without term limits for Congress?!!!!!


41 posted on 02/26/2010 8:29:06 AM PST by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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