Skip to comments.Campaign Gives Christians Megaphone to Support Gays
Posted on 02/25/2010 8:51:53 PM PST by daniel1212
Though mainline denominations already welcome LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) persons, the multifaith group Intersections says it's not enough.
"[W]e must sing their welcoming as loudly as we sing the hymns," the group declares....
Intersections Director Robert Chase maintains the "'God vs. gays' dichotomy is false" and "reflective of only part of Christendom."
"The religious rights divisive paradigm is paralleled by more progressive stances that have resulted in inclusive institutional transformation," he stated.
A Pew Research Center's survey also found wide support for homosexuality among lay people in mainline Protestant churches.
(Excerpt) Read more at christianpost.com ...
What’s wrong? Aren’t their pews emptying fast enough to satisfy the gay mafia?
Stats on differences btwn denominations regards homosexual here, http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/RevealingStatistics.html#Sec4 and refutation of pro homosexual polemics here: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Homosex_versus_the_Bible.html
I guess we can tear out the book of Romans, Revelations and parts of the Gospels because of all those pesky rules and standards.
This is why the traditional denominations are dying out.
You know what they said to do in Germany when the Auschwitz-bound trains rumbled by churches.
Examination of pro homosexual polemics reveals that they effectively require negating the authority of the Bible. Like the harlot whose covetousness constrained her to assent to the destruction of a child rather than let her opposing claimant have it (1Ki. 3), the end result of pro-homosex polemics is that it effectively negate the authority of the very source they seek to use for their own purposes
I agree that the “God vs Gay” dichotomy is false.
It is really God vs sin. God vs sexual sin.
Churches speak out everyday against adultery, promiscuity, stealing, selfishness, murder, racism, slavery, pornography, prostitution, gossip, gluttony, drunkeness...all manner of moral weaknesses. Yet the only ones trying to force their sinful point of view on others, “LOUDLY” are the homosexuals.
I find that fascinating. This trait seems to validate the biblical story of Sodom and Gommorah, where the homosexuals came to Lot’s house and demanded that he hand over his male guests so that they could rape them; then they shouted at Lot when he tried to talk them out of doing such a sinful thing. The homosexuals shouted, “how dare you tell us what to do!”....
They haven’t changed in thousands of years....
A more appropriate title for “progressive” churches would be “sidelined churches”. For certainly these socially aware groups have sidelined themselves from the gospel truths.
I disagree. Feminism is a much louder and more pernicious blight forced on American Christianity. Homosexuals are merely mimicking the successful female strategies of obnoxious noise and total disregard for God's clearly stated place for women.
It is also of note that as a movement it forces homosexuality into places it has no place being, from Lot’s house to Bible passages.
Yet we all have sinned, and so we seek their salvation, but when something which is clearly sin is justified, then it becomes an issue.
Arent their pews emptying fast enough to satisfy the gay mafia?
No, they want to expedite the process. BUT, I think it’s a good thing. They aren’t Christian anymore, so ending the pretense will clear the air.
What a bunch of crap. Even when they try and say something meaningful, it's just recycled revisionist tripe. A heart as big as a whale and shit for brains. Tom Harkin must be close by.
How much does God hate this particular vileness? Check what happened to S and G...
and “reflective of only part of Christendom.” —> That’s crazy, no Chuch says it is God v/s gays. All Churchs support people with homosexual tendencies who DO NOT ACT on it, just like we support those who have other tendencies (alcoholism or other sexual tendencies) who do not act on them, or we support those who fell into those but are now redeeming themselves.
Rot in the pews.
Transformation into what? A compost pile?
For me, willfully manipulating the Bible is the greater sin, and spinning the story of Sodom to make its most singular physical sin something other than sodomy has been a great effort of pro homosexuals.
Some naughty ones play “doctor”.
The truly evil ones play “church”.
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Can anyone imagine this happeneding twenty years ago, or even ten? The promoters of the homosexual agenda - aka homo-nazism - have one goal - destruction. They are driven and will never stop until they are stopped by outside force, of one kind or another.
One will note that the churches that are pro homosexual are almost always liberal toward divorce and abortion, etc.: http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexuality_and_Christianity#Denominational_positions_on_the_Bible.2C_and_homosexuality
And decreasing in adherents.
The ELCA’s decision last summer to allow openly gay pastors is breaking up ELCA churches everywhere. Stupid decision and really, really stupid timing for such a stupid decision, and now the homosexual activists want to destroy what’s left.
They are provoking our Lord to anger.
True. A PC pressure in Paul’s day was to stop preaching the cross.
And why should they not? They practically do so already and the tune will harmonize well with their funeral dirge, as they chant themselves into irrelevance.
“More than half of members of the United Methodist Church, Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Anglican Church, the United Church of Christ and The Episcopal Church say homosexuality is a way of life that should be accepted by society.”
Don’t surprise me. The majority of their members who still believe in the Bible left long ago for other denominations or independent practice.
One sin which is REPEATEDLY and IN DETAIL condemned again and again in the Old Testament by God Himself is homosexuality and other sexual aberrations.
Morality isn’t really determined by majority vote. If it was, God wouldn’t have given us a Bible.
Reminds me of some of the “modern” churches today—strange or awkward architecture, few windows, but worst of all either no cross or a small one, hardly noticeable in an obscure place on the grounds. As if they’re timid, afraid some atheist radical will object and they don’t want to confront them.
It is condemned in the New Testament too. Yet repentant homosexuals can be saved, as it says, “And such were some of you.”
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
That is 1st Corinthians 6:11.
As other posters have pointed out, it is interesting that groups of drunkards or thieves or covetous or fornicators aren’t demanding they be accepted in the church! The sin of homosexuality is peculiar that way.
Form versus reality. May we be more of the latter ourselves.
Post back tomorrow by God’s grace.
" New campaign urges Mainline Protestant churches "loudly," support for homosexuals. "
was no match for the source which you linked.
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Lot chose to go live in the nicest place in Palestine....the area of the plain of Sodom and Gomorra....
And typically where are the nicest, most fashionable parts of cities?
I think in the peace and prosperity after WWII...and the spoiled rotten kids of the '60s, with the sexual immorality being accepted as "normal" the worse immorality of sodomy was bound to happen... The sad thing is though, unless a huge religious revival occurs it will take a SERIOUS calamity to rid America of these practices...and practicioners. That also happened thousands of years ago--and the area of Sodom ain't too pretty now...
I don't. What did they say to do?
They would not be welcomed to membership however, unless they repented.
Sorry for my ignorance. I thought the title was not precise enough, and then I did not catch my grammar error in describing it. And apparently it should have gone in the religious section.
“I disagree. Feminism is a much louder and more pernicious blight forced on American Christianity. Homosexuals are merely mimicking the successful female strategies of obnoxious noise and total disregard for God’s clearly stated place for women.”
Granted, since radical feminism came first, it makes sense that later movements (homosexuality, liberation theology, emergent church, etc) would try to imitate its methods. However, I would argue that the original core of feminism— that women are equally valuable to God and to society, though often they are gifted differently— is very much a Biblical concept, rather than a “blight forced on American Christianity.” Likewise, the core of the civil rights movement emphasizes racial equality, a positive concept if applied equitably across the board. The difference is that there’s no “good” or “innocuous” version of homosexuality, regardless of the efforts of various “Christian” groups to make it mainstream. So, while it’s not the only threat to serious Christianity, it’s serious enough that we can’t simply write it off.
I thought i had heard it in a powerful sermon by Dr. Lawrence White, but it not there in the online text version i found. Instead, it was related by Dobson in his newaletter (July 2001) in describing a conversation with Diet Eman, (see http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_is_Diet_Eman) author of Things We Couldnt Say, with a member of the Focus on the Family staff:
Diet told a story about a rail line that ran nearby and was used by the Nazis to transport boxcars jammed with Jews and other undesirables. They were on their way to the death camps in the East. Many times, the trains were sidetracked for hours while the miserable people begged pitifully for food, water and mercy. There were no bathroom facilities for the journey, which could last four days or longer. Nearby, Im told, was a small church located close enough to the rail line to hear the cries coming from within the boxcars. The church people attending services were deeply disturbed by these mournful distractions, and so, they began singing more loudly so they wouldnt have to hear them. I wonder what the God of all compassion thought about His followers as they used their worship to drown out the calls for help from tortured people. - http://ldolphin.org/family.html
The short sermon by White is still a powerful read, and i am sure it has appeared on FR. See it here. http://www.hiswayministries.org/fdsilence.htm
It appears, however, that he did get an attribution wrong, that to Pliny of the quote,
“The common people find all religions to be true. The philosophers find all religions to be false. The rulers [politicians] find all religions to be useful.”
This is attributed to Seneca (ca. 4 BC AD 65), with similar expressions being given by Gibbons, and Lucretius (94 BC - 49 BC), but timeless in general application.
The preceding goes with this:
Turn Up The Music!
By Chris Hansen
In Germany, the churches sang their hymns, as the trains would rumble by!
Cars, and more cars, were stuffed with Jews, heading for death camps, where they would die!
The trains, the trains, made the church music, difficult to hear.
The trains, the trains, they drew too near.
The pastors had a practical solution, have no fear!
The pastors decided that, the music, the pretty music, must ring forth, loud and clear.
So, they directed, turn up the music, as the congregation sings!
Sing louder, sing louder, to the King of Kings.
Singing sweet hymns and fellowship, just a few of our favorite things.
How easily we Christians criticize Germany, as we proclaim with pride,
That we would never have stood by while Jewish people died!
And what do we do when silent death rips babies from the womb?
What do we do when millions are swallowed without so much as a tomb!
We too, turn the music louder, and sing to the King of Kings.
We see not, that God’s wrath is off stage, pacing in the wings!
But that is not feminism. Feminism says that husbands do not rule their wives. Feminism says there is no difference between men and women and that women are suited to do the work of men. Feminism says a woman's place is whatever she wants it to be. Feminism has not only proven itself patently stupid, but completely opposite of what the Bible teaches. The Bible clearly laid out the work of women, and even gave good reasons why this is so. The wholesale rebellion of women against God is the root of today's rotten homosexual fruit.
Good selection of articles here upholding the Biblical complementarian position. http://www.cbmw.org/Articles/
My responses here: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/WOMENPASTORS.html To God be the glory.
Yet, I must say that the cause of feminism lays at the feet of men themselves. In MEN’s ‘total disregard for God's clearly stated place’ for MEN! Men, instead of loving their wives as commanded, and dying to themselves, as Christ died for the Church; instead of treating their wives the way they wanted to be treated, they treat them like servants or pets. Instead of submitting “one to another” as commanded in scripture...they insist on being obeyed and catered to. Men are commanded in the Bible, clearly, to “love their wives as Christ loved the church”. Christ died for the sins of the Church. Christ served his church, and washed the feet of the first members. Christ also, was faithful to the church, even when they were not faithful to him. Jesus never left the church no matter how annoying they were, or how they disappointed Him. He never expected the church to wait on him. And Christ never forced anyone to follow him or love him. He never demanded his rightful place.
We all need to remember our roles.
Also, human nature is rebellious. Humans naturally find excitment in breaking rules and social morals. This is why as morality declines society totally breaks down as it takes increasingly more hideous acts for people to feel rebellious.
It is known to be the fall of many civilizations before ours.
Jesus says, "The bride belongs to the bridegroom." Jesus says, "But why do you call me 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say?" Jesus says, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." Jesus says, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." Jesus says, "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you." Jesus says, "I never knew you. Depart from me."
I believe I will emulate this Jesus, not the spineless dog you describe.
"The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless talk. They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm." 1Tim5-7
"Do you understand what I have done for you?" he asked them. "You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am. Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another's feet. I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them......"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." --verses from John 13
"My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. John 15:12-13
"This is my command: Love each other." John 15:17
"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8
"Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. ....... Honor one another above yourselves." Romans 12:9-10
"....Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law." Romans 13:10
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres." 1Cor13:4-7
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them." col.3"19
"Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered" 1 Peter 3:7
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.......In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church......However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband." Eph.5:25,28,29,33
"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
You wish to separate what God has joined as ONE? You wish to demand that the husband is not HALF but separate? That the wife is but a servant made to obey the husband, not part of the husband?
"Another thing you do: You flood the LORD's altar with tears. You weep and wail because he no longer pays attention to your offerings or accepts them with pleasure from your hands. You ask, "Why?" It is because the LORD is acting as the witness between you and the wife of your youth, because you have broken faith with her, though she is your partner, the wife of your marriage covenant.
Has not the LORD made them one? In flesh and spirit they are his. And why one? Because he was seeking godly offspring. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith with the wife of your youth.
"I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel," Malachi 2:13-16
"But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God."
Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.
Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.
Ah, the thought of wives submitting to their husbands as "masters" sends a quake of hate down your rebellious spine. How horrible the thought of obeying God seems to you that you needed to create a new doctrine where women become the masters. It is no wonder the homosexuals are so bold, with self-serving children of the Devil like you acting as theologians.
Hey, thanks so much! Jesus said that since he was called the son of satan that his true followers should also expect the same. So, you have given me a blessing from my Lord. I appreciate it very much. Thanks.
It is you who chooses to ignore the men’s responsibilty and focus on the responsiblity of others. That is the definition of rebellion, by the way.
I purposefully left out the verses for wives, of course. You already seem to focus on the verses for women, forgetting the ones on husbands responsibilities.
From the start, I said that both men and women need to remember their “proper roles”—and then I pointed out the scriptural basis for the proper role for the husband. Facts is facts.
You ignorance is more obvious than ever. Jesus did not say His followers would be called "sons of the Devil," He said they would be persecuted because they do not accept the ways of the world, ways like your beloved Feminism. He did say, however, that you are of your father the Devil because he will not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. God Himself says "It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman," and this truth is never more evident than today.
"And since I, the master of the household, have been called the prince of demons, the members of my household will be called by even worse names!" Matt.10:25
"God blesses you when people mock you and persecute you and lie about you and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are my followers. Be happy about it! Be very glad! For a great reward awaits you in heaven. And remember, the ancient prophets were persecuted in the same way."..Matt 5:10-11
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