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Posted on 02/26/2010 4:51:59 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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the OS is nothing special. Its just NEXTstep, more. and there is absolutely no difference in the quality of any of those computers? Not in my belief. The difference is in the specs they build to - as well as in the operating system which is built in Cupertino, CA.
. . . and what, pray tell, would be "special?"The Mac is an integrated system; there is no division of responsibility between hardware and software. If you have a problem, it's not maybe a Microsoft problem and maybe a Dell problem - it's an Apple problem.
Apple has its own retail shops complete with techs for troubleshooting. Sort of like the auto dealership model for a quality automobile line - except that the salesmen aren't on commission and don't try to push expensive options. They mostly just answer your questions and just let you buy. Others have tried to do their own retail, and fallen flat. They're now thinking of trying it again, now that Apple has shown them how it can be done right. Trouble is, when you're in the commodity business it's pretty hard to do high-quality in service just like it's hard to do quality hardware-software integration.
>”Id love to see Gore go to prison for his crimes.”
I’d LOVE to see him taken to court over the GloBull Warming crap. I think there would be an incredible eye-opening about the crap that he and the rest of the loony Left have tried to put over on us. He could very well be sent to prison, since he’s made SOOOOO much money on this.
But, on the flip side, the Left would just say we’re on a witch hunt and become even more resistant to a logical conclusion on this. Unless they see it as a fraud, wouldn’t make a difference. Just look at how they voted for that S###-In-A-Sack obama. No reasonable thinking, just knee-jerk reaction to the so-called “One”.
>”had an aerostar”
I had one of those too. ‘94, I think. Man, lived up in the great white north at the time and hoooo-weeee! That thing could go through the snow like it was nobodies business. Good ride too. Only thing that ever kept giving me trouble what the darned power steering pump. Ford never could get them to work as well as every body elses. My vehicles pumps today are great. Glad to see they finally worked out the bugs.
>”would enjoy an f350 super duty”
I’m telling ya, it’s a dream. Only thing thats a pain is here in Mn, the cost for my plates dont go down as the vehicle depreciates (They do on a 250 or smaller). Stays the same, year after year, but it’s still well worth it. Its a 2003 and I have one of the last 7.3 diesels. Friend of mine bought a brand new 250 2 years ago and it has done nothing but live in the shop. This keeps going out, that keeps breaking, dead on the road, EGR valve frozen up, blah blah blah. I think when they started using the smaller (6.something) engines but tweaking them out to provide more power, well, youre just asking for things to go wrong.
And here's something for ya, too... :-)
Rush talking about his Macs... :-)
You know, I'm a big Mac guy. I love Macs, and I've got four Mac Pros. They're the top-of-the-line Mac Pros, maxed out. And they just had a new system upgrade, went to 10.5 Leopard, and they've had two upgrades since October. Yesterday brought 10.5.2, which was loaded.
NB: All right, I've got just one more quick question for you. Last time I saw you, you'd just gotten an iPhone. How's that working out for you?
ROVE: I love it. My life has changed. I have a shred of coolness. I've got my 3,500 people in my addressbook on the phone, I can sync my calendar. I keep track of my modest little stock investments. I can check the weather of my house in Washington, my house in Florida, my boy at school, my hunt-lease in south Texas. I can surf the web, I'm justI get part of my email there.
You chose the right phone, Karl!
I mean it is just shocking how much better, how much more productive I am. I no longer carry around a giant address book, if I don't have my calendar close at hand, I can quickly check it out of my I don't have to carry, I used to carry several notecards, now it's just as easy to scribble on my little notepad, I can take photographs and forward them on immediately, it's just remarkable.
Why can’t I admit that. BSD is a fine alternative to MAC. In fact, it makes a lot of sense if you are MAC user looking for alternatives.
Oh I see...you think I live on this board and respond as soon someone posts something. Silly you...I have a life.
With a rock-solid UNIX foundation and powerful technologies such as Grand Central Dispatch, OpenCL, Bonjour networking, and built-in synchronization, Snow Leopard unleashes the full power of your Mac.
UNIX: A robust, proven foundation.
UNIX is widely known for its robust, proven foundation thats scalable, powerful, and crash resistant. And with tens of millions of users consumers, scientists, animators, developers, system administrators, and more Mac OS X is the most widely used UNIX desktop operating system in the world.1 It offers a unique combination of technical elements, such as fine-grained multithreading, FreeBSD services, and zero-configuration networking. Its state-of-the-art kernel supports preemptive multitasking, symmetric multiprocessing (SMP) scalability, and 64-bit virtual memory, while standards-based access control lists take UNIX permissions to the next level.
UNIX power users will feel at home in Darwin, the robust BSD environment that underlies Mac OS X and is accessible from the Terminal application. All of the common UNIX utilities, command shells, and scripting languages are included in Mac OS X, including Perl, PHP, tcl, Ruby, and Python. And Mac OS X provides a set of optimized libraries, making it easy to port your existing UNIX code.
Thats a good point. Seems Ive seen Rush with an open Apple on his desk. Would like to know, was it donated? Did he buy it? Curious what his thoughts are on this.
I did already comment on that one... so noting Post #104 ...
That operation is by the mining division of Occidental Petroleum. It is simply a vehicle to give money to Al Gore.
During the height of the Democrats battle to keep us from drilling for oil and gas or mining our own coal Vice President Al Gore was instrumental in allowing Occidental to buy the Elk Hills Naval Reserve, a large oil reserve in California set aside for our use during war time, and they bought it at a bargain price.
Gore was also instrumental in pushing the native Indians in South America aside so that Occidental could drill for oil there, in the "Rain Forest", without sharing the royalties with anyone.
All of this info is available to anyone who wants to look for it so why does the MSM ignore it? We know the answer to that.
What does a board member do? I have always wondered what these celebrities actually do to enhance the bottom line of the companies? Is Al Gore actually making some sort of decision about Apple business practices? Was Hillary really helping run Walmart when she was a board member? What do they do?
“The Mac is an integrated system; there is no division of responsibility between hardware and software. If you have a problem, it’s not maybe a Microsoft problem and maybe a Dell problem - it’s an Apple problem. “
That’s fine. Happy for you. For me, the Mac is FAR too limiting.
“Apple has its own retail shops complete with techs for troubleshooting.”
The kind of “techs” you will find at a “Genius Bar” are like the “techs” you find in any other retail store.
If Karl Rove uses it, that’s a strike against it.
The only thing he’s an “architecet” of is the end of the GOP.
“No, can’t admit that - because the version of Unix under which OS X runs is, IIRC, BSD. “
Not really, no.
“UNIX is widely known for its robust, proven foundation thats scalable, powerful, and crash resistant. And with tens of millions of users consumers, scientists, animators, developers, system administrators, and more Mac OS X is the most widely used UNIX desktop operating system in the world.”
The only reason why OS X is the “most widely used UNIX desktop OS” is becaus Apple paid Open Group for certification. At one point - before a lawsuit - Windows NT was going to be certified as a “UNIX” when running the Interix subsystem. In the technical arena, Linux is FAR more widespread.
I know, “rah rah Apple” is common for you people who praise it for things you don’t understand and only use the thing for message board postings and writing your Mom....
JULY 30, 2007
By Tom Yager
OS X's commercial credentials recently got a major boost from the Open Group. Thanks to the efforts of Apple's OS boss Kevin Van Vechten and his team, Leopard has cleared all of the hurdles required to attain UNIX 03 certification. That places Apple in elite company. Only Sun, IBM and HP are certified, so OS X turns the Big Three into the Big Four.
Here's Apple's Open Group brand certificate, which entitles Apple to use the UNIX brand. I suggest printing this on high rag content paper, framing it and hanging it in your server room or your Mac-graced cubicle. There are UNIX pretenders, and there is the real thing. Mac users, realize that qualifying for UNIX is no small feat, especially for an open source, BSD-based OS. The Open Group standards, the PDFs for which are idiotically marked as free but blocked from PDF download unless you buy your way into a membership, are rooted in System V. Apple is to be commended.
The UNIX 03 specifications cover libraries, system calls, terminal interfaces, commands and utilities, internationalization and the C language. That's the whole enchilada for ISVs (independent software vendors) porting their server and non-GUI applications to OS X. UNIX ISVs ought to climb on board, because once Leopard ships in October I expect Xserve sales to take a leap. Software developers should also keep in mind that the Leopard client OS is the same as Apple's server, minus the quite exceptional administrative tools, and the installed base of four and eight-core Mac Pro desktop/workstations is even larger. MacBook Pro users are carrying 4 GB notebooks. If you're put off by Objective-C and Apple's proprietary UI frameworks--you needn't be, although I do wish that someone would give Apple's frameworks the Mono treatment--you've got OpenGL, SDL, X Window, Wine, Java SWT, Flash, DHTML with Apple's Canvas extension, and my old flame, curses. Microsoft's Silverlight is sweet as well, and it's picking up steam.
Wondering if you want in? You do. Imagine coding on Mac and porting by recompile to RISC big iron.
“Wondering if you want in? You do. Imagine coding on Mac and porting by recompile to RISC big iron.”
I can do all of that and more with Linux on Intel. Easily.
Yawn. The standard for technical computing is Linux and will be for the forseeable future.
Updated 03:45 am EDT, Thu August 2, 2007
Apple's Mac OS X Leopard has received the stamp of approval as an official unix operating system. The official UNIX 03 certification, which entitled the company to use the Unix brand,d came from the Open Group thanks in part to the efforts of Apple's OS boss Kevin Van Vechten and his team and puts Mac OS X Leopard alongside the Big Three: Sun, IBM, and HP, according to Infoworld. The certification for the delayed operating system came in mid-May, but was only recently publicized. A publicly available document certifies that "Apple has entered into a Trademark License Agreement with X/Open Company Limited in accordance with which the following are registered under the X/Open Brand Program: UNIX 03, Registration P1190; Mac OS X Version 10.5 Leopard on Intel-based Macintosh Computers."
The Open Brand is the internationally accepted guarantee of conformance to recognized standards, elevating Apple's status to a tier-one Unix operating system.
"Mac users, realize that qualifying for UNIX is no small feat, especially for an open source, BSD-based OS," Infoworld's Tom Yager wrote.
According to the report, the UNIX 03 specifications cover libraries, system calls, terminal interfaces, commands and utilities, internationalization and the C language.
The certification means that Leopard, which was delayed until October as Apple diverted resources to iPhone development, conforms to the Single UNIX Specification Version 3 (SUS), which defines how components such as the command shell, the compiler, and C APIs should function.
Company Name: Apple Inc.
Product Name: Mac OS X Version 10.6 Snow Leopard
Environment: on Intel-based Macintosh computers
Registered on: 22-Oct-2009
Display a copy of the Brand Certificate in PDF
Search the Conformance Statements database for all UNIX 03 registrations
See all the registered products for the UNIX 03 Product Standard
See more information about the UNIX 03 Product Standard
Category: Operating System and Languages [XY]
The UNIX 03 Product Standard is the mark for systems conforming to Version 3 of the Single UNIX Specification. It is a significantly enhanced version of the UNIX 98 Product Standard. The mandatory enhancements include alignment with ISO/IEC 9989:1999 C Programming Language, IEEE Std 1003.1-2001 and ISO/IEC 9945:2002. This Product Standard includes the following mandatory Product Standards: Internationalized System Calls and Libraries Extended V3, Commands and Utilities V4, C Language V2, and Internationalized Terminal Interfaces.
Product Standards are explained in Practical Guide to the Open Brand
Click for a Web version of the Product Standard
Click for full text of the Product Standard Definition: in PDF Format
You don’t have a clue what any of that actually means, do you?
Sept 1, 2002
The Open Group, San Francisco, is launching an effort to define requirements for the next generation of the UNIX certification program. The UNIX Certification program defines the criteria for products to be registered as UNIX systems, hence be awarded the right to use the UNIX trademark. These criteria have not been revised since 1997.
The criteria include the definition of "Product Standards," which provide the conformance requirements drawn from the Single UNIX specification and other referenced specifications, and also define the testing requirements.
The updated program is expected to be launched during 2003, and builds on the foundations of Version 3 of the Single UNIX Specification, the core of which was developed by the Austin Group and is jointly both an Open Group Technical Standard and IEEE Std 1003.1-2001. To participate in the development effort, contact Andrew Josey at firstname.lastname@example.org.
"The development of updated certification criteria is part of our members' continuing mission to maintain the value of the UNIX trademark, which The Open Group holds in trust for the industry," noted Allen Brown, president and CEO of The Open Group. "The result will be an updated vendor- and technology- neutral definition of the requirements for a UNIX system, administered through a fair, independent and thorough certification and backed up by well proven testing."
About the UNIX System
More information on the UNIX System, the UNIX Certification Program, and the online html version of the Single UNIX Specification, can be obtained from the official web site at http://www.UNIX-systems.org.
About The Open Group
The Open Group, a vendor-neutral and technology-neutral consortium, has a vision of Boundaryless Information Flow achieved through global interoperability in a secure, reliable and timely manner. The Open Group's mission is to drive the creation of Boundaryless Information Flow by working with customers to capture, understand and address current and emerging requirements, establish policies, and share best practices; working with suppliers, consortia and standards bodies to develop consensus and facilitate interoperability, to evolve and integrate specifications and open source technologies; offering a comprehensive set of services to enhance the operational efficiency of consortia; and developing and operating the industry's premier certification service and encouraging procurement of certified products.
For more information, visit http://www.opengroup.org.
“It's got electrolytes! It's what plants crave!”
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Open Group is an industry consortium to set vendor- and technology-neutral open standards for computing infrastructure. It was formed when X/Open merged with the Open Software Foundation in 1996. The Open Group is most famous as the certifying body for the UNIX trademark, in the past the group was best known for its publication of the Single UNIX Specification paper, which extends the POSIX standards and is the official definition of UNIX. Their members include a range of IT buyers and vendors as well as government agencies, for example Capgemini, Fujitsu, Sun Microsystems, Hitachi, HP, IBM, NEC, US Department of Defense, NASA and others.
The Open Group's best-known services are their certification programs, including certification for the Common Operating Environment (COE) Platform, CORBA, Directory, POSIX, Schools Interoperability Framework (SIF), UNIX, and Wireless Application Protocol (WAP). The Open Group is also the owner of the UNIX trademark.
The Open Group has also turned to the standardization of business and development practices and offers certifications for IT professionals. In addition to the TOGAF (The Open Group Architecture Framework) certification program, The Open Group sponsors the IT Architect Certification (ITAC)  and IT Specialist Certification (ITSC)  skills and experience based IT certification programs.
[read more at the link...]
I’ve been a UNIX user since the SunOS days and VAX before that. Apple doesn’t impress me.
Perfect. A wooden lightning rod.
“Perfect. A wooden lightning rod.”
He’s always been insulated from reality.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
iLife is a suite of software applications developed by Apple for organizing, editing, and publishing photos, movies, and music. The suite comprises five applications: iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, GarageBand, and iWeb, all of which run on the Mac OS X operating system. The latest release, iLife '09, was announced on January 6, 2009, and is included with new Mac computers as well as sold standalone.
iMovie is the oldest of the applications included with iLife. It was marketed by Apple as an easy-to-use video editing application that allowed novice users to quickly create professional-quality movies. The first version of the software was released in October 1999 and bundled with the iMac DV. On April 28, 2000, Apple began allowing users to download iMovie free of charge from its website. iMovie remained free until 2003, when it became part of the first iLife release, which was sold for $49. Apple continued to update and develop the existing iMovie software until the release of iLife '08 in 2007, when a new version, iMovie '08, was released. iMovie '08 was completely rewritten as a new application and introduced significant changes to the user interface.
iPhoto was the second application in iLife that began as a free application available for download from Apple's website. The first version was announced at the Macworld Conference & Expo in 2002. It was billed as being the "missing link" in photography. In addition to allowing users to import, organize, and perform basic edits on their photos, iPhoto also let users print photos in a variety of ways, including as a bound book. Subsequent versions of iPhoto have added a number of features, including automatic organization by events, faces (using facial recognition), and places, full-screen editing, and Photocasting (a way to share photos with others directly from within iPhoto).
iDVD was first announced on January 9, 2001. It was bundled with the PowerMac G4, which contained a SuperDrive that read and wrote both CDs and DVDs. The first version of iDVD introduced a simple way to design customized DVDs with menus, backdrops, slideshows and home movies that could be played back on most DVD players. iDVD was never released as a download as both iMovie and iPhoto were. It was bundled with the first version of iLife released in 2003 and is currently included with all new Mac computers.
The remaining two applications in the iLife suite were first introduced as part of iLife '04 and iLife '06, respectively. Released in 2004, The first version of GarageBand was designed as an easy way for both beginner and advanced musicians to create and edit music on their Mac computers. iWeb was introduced at the Macworld Conference & Expo on January 10, 2006 and was touted as a way for users to create websites without having to know or write HTML or any other code.
And he's going to burn for it when he takes a hit, and could take the house down with him.
Mac OS X recognised as true Unix by standards group
by Jonny Evans
Apple's latest operating system, Leopard, has been declared a true breed of Unix by The Open Group.
The group is a vendor- and technology-neutral consortium that focuses on open standards and global interoperability.
It yesterday confirmed both Mac OS X Leopard and Mac OS X Server Leopard to have been awarded a certificate of conformance to the Unix 03 standard.
That certification mark confirms Apple's system meets the requirements of the latest Unix product standard developed by The Open Group Platform Forum for the Single Unix Specification version 3.
This is significant as Mac OS X is the first major operating system derived from the open source BSD base of historical Unix products to meet the certification requirements.
Operating systems that support the specification offer a set of standard interfaces allowing the rich catalogue of back office and other Unix applications to be easily ported between Unix-supporting systems.
"For over 10 years, the Single Unix Specification has consistently provided both scalability and stability to end users - one hallmark of a tried and true technology standard," said Allen Brown, Open Group president and CEO.
"Operating platforms conforming to the Unix 03 standard assures enterprises with industrial strength products, as well as an opportunity to avoid limited choice in vendor partnership. In achieving Unix 03 certification, Apple has shown true commitment to its customers in providing open solutions that are warranted and fully supported."
>”At some point one must separate the art from the artist.”
A very valid point, and a lesson learned on my part.
>”Especially when there is no non-leftist alternative, “
Agreed, especially since there really seems to be no good guy/bad guy in the mix.
I guess I may just harbor some ill feelings from when Apple was just starting out and you had to buy, Apple software, and apple printers, and apple monitors, and apple this and that and etc etc etc., It was VERY proprietary. I actually was cheering apple on in the hopes they would become more like the IBM compats. Release the programming information so 3rd parties could build products. Allow others the info so YOU can prosper. They didn’t and Apple STILL only holds a very small (correct me if I’m wrong) 5% market share. I don’t know, has that gone up any?
Anyway, to make a long story short, I have no love for someone who says, it’s ALL mine and nobody can have any of it (which is what Jobs did). He found out (the hard way) that’s not the way to go about it.
By the way, as to market share, if you count dollars rather than units, Apple has a much more impressive recent retail share: >50% of personal computers costing more than $1k for several quarters now. That’s because it declines to sell cheap crap. You also get a superior support experience. Let me assure you, talking with a trained and cogent technician face-to-face at the Apple Store beats spending hours on the phone to Bangalore with some incomprehensible, script-reading troll any day.
From Wikipedia:. . . so OS X partakes of BSD Unix. That's all I meant.
Mac OS X is based upon the Mach kernel. Certain parts from FreeBSD's and NetBSD's implementation of Unix were incorporated in Nextstep, the core of Mac OS X.
So I take it you would rather funnel your money to MS, a company that is every bit as liberal and crazy (including giving $billions to the most liberal of causes - including the global warming freaks) as Gore.
Sorry, but if one is using Windows, you are supporting radically leftist "causes" too...
Thanks for posting that!!!! Kind of eye-opening, isn’t it... who would have thunk it...???
LOL! Yea, because when I think "tech savvy" Rush Limbaugh and Karl Rove immediately come to mind.
Well, if "tech savvy" was Apple's primary market... they would be out of business... Apple sells to American public (plus other countries, too)... and that's what keeps them in business ... :-)
The really nice thing about that, is that Apple seems to know how to sell to the American public, make a big success out of it and still sell to the tech savvy geeks who like UNIX and Windows on their systems (why anyone would want Windows, I have no idea...).
Those geeks can have UNIX, with the Mac OS X user interface too, and be running Windows, right alongside of it -- thereby running 100% of the software that is out there on the market.
You should see it... be running Windows (can't even see it running actually), pop open a Windows application and have all those other Mac programs running right alongside it... and it never misses a beat... LOL...
Thought this was interesting...
Microsoft’s most recent reported quarterly profit was $6.7 billion on revenues of $19.02 billion.
Apple’s most recent reported quarterly profit was $3.38 billion on revenues of $15.68 billion.
Considering that Microsoft is almost exclusively a software provider, is thought of as this great computer colossus, and should have great margins, and Apple is portrayed as a niche provider and is primarily a hardware company, and hardware traditionally has horrible margins, those numbers are very telling.
Microsoft, which should have HUGE net profits, is at 35% net. Apple, if it were like Dell or HP, should have very small net profits, is at 21.5%.
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm...
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