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House Renews Patriot Act
FOX News ^ | February 26, 2010 | Staff

Posted on 02/26/2010 7:30:38 AM PST by MaestroLC

WASHINGTON -- The House of Representatives reauthorized the Patriot Act for one year Thursday.

The vote was 315-97 .

Many liberals in the House opposed the controversial act, saying it tramps Constitutional protections and civil liberties.

*snip*

The Senate ok'd the package earlier this week. President Obama is expected to sign the bill into law.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; act; agenda; antiamericanism; bds; bho44; counterterrorism; house; patriot; patriotact; pravdamedia; renews
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Can we say, "Worried about our re-elections?"

George W. Bush vindicated.

1 posted on 02/26/2010 7:30:38 AM PST by MaestroLC
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To: MaestroLC

Hmmm, didn’t hear a lot about this. I thought the Patriot Act was the worst thing ever to have been pushed on Americans by Bush-Cheney. Hmmm, amazing how times have changed. This time, the MSM doesn’t give it much coverage.


2 posted on 02/26/2010 7:36:42 AM PST by Sir Clancelot
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To: MaestroLC
I'm not as comfortable with the Patriot Act in the hands of this President.

It's like giving a pistol to an arrogant, petulant 6 year old who's pissed as hell about being sent to his room.

3 posted on 02/26/2010 7:36:54 AM PST by Lazamataz (Seriously. The only way Obama can possibly pull this out is to declare Martial Law before November.)
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To: Lazamataz

That’s the problem I had with it all along. I was fine with it in Bush’s hands, but I feared the next guy. Now, I don’t think they’ll ever give it up no matter who’s in charge. We could go 20 years without even a peep out of a terrorist and they’d still be renewing this.

Since then, I’ve come to the position that I am against ALL expansion of federal power, no matter who is in charge. The government is the most fickle of bed partners. It can change radically on a dime and giving something like that more power is a fool’s errand.


4 posted on 02/26/2010 7:40:27 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: Sir Clancelot
I am in financial services.
The Patriot Act is a pain, but it often gets blamed for things it doesn’t deserve.

Yes, it is amazing how W. pretty much wrote the foreign policy for this President, as far as Patriot Act and a few other things are concerned.

(Not so much with North Korea, Iran, etc.)

5 posted on 02/26/2010 7:41:07 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: MaestroLC

“George W. Bush vindicated.”

Ah, but he’s not the President now.

Always assume every law will be used against you by your worst enemy. The Patriot Act is used against more people than just Islamic terrorists.


6 posted on 02/26/2010 7:42:11 AM PST by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: MaestroLC
The Patriot Act is only bad when Republicans are in charge it seems!

Freaking democrat hypocrites.

7 posted on 02/26/2010 7:49:11 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (November is coming.)
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To: MaestroLC

Ya, I heard ZERO about this Patriot Act renewal. And Obama will sign it? Yep, I thought that the Patriot Act was like something out of Nazi Germany.


8 posted on 02/26/2010 7:49:43 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It was when the face on it was Bush-Cjeney. Now it’s BO so it’s a go.


9 posted on 02/26/2010 7:53:24 AM PST by easttennesseejohn
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To: Sir Clancelot

Dems have majorities in Senate and House and have usurped the WH. They now have Homeland Security Responsibility. With that comes consequences if something they did with Patriot Act results in a terrorist attack on US soil.

They were able to sneak this in under cover of Onada’s health care fiasco yesterday. I’ll be very interested if it is reported in my local paper or the Gov’t-controlled Media.

I suspect the rank and file dem voter will never know it. On the other hand, it answers the argument these same people have against the Patriot Act. Their guys voted to keep it just the way it is so what could possibly be wrong with it?


10 posted on 02/26/2010 7:56:56 AM PST by dools007
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To: MaestroLC

The vindication of George W. Bush.

With regard to national security, reality often kicks liberals in the ass ... more troops to Afghanistan, extending Iraq timetables, renewal of the Patriot Act. Haha.

How do ya like them apples, Code Pink?

SnakeDoc


11 posted on 02/26/2010 8:00:52 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Do you know if the hotel is pager friendly? [...] I'm not getting a sig on my beeper.)
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To: Sir Clancelot

“I thought the Patriot Act was the worst thing ever to have been pushed on Americans by Bush-Cheney.”

Yeah for real, Harry Reid said back in 2005 that he killed the Patriot Act!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBP91gvs8wI


12 posted on 02/26/2010 8:06:37 AM PST by RatsDawg
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To: dools007
"They were able to sneak this in under cover of Onada’s health care fiasco yesterday."

Was this the un-named "very important vote" yesterday that caused a temporary break in the "Transparency Show" so that members of the House could go and do dirt for?

13 posted on 02/26/2010 8:07:24 AM PST by cookcounty (Let us not speak of the honor of men. Rather, let us bind them with the Constitution. --Jefferson)
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To: SnakeDoctor

“How do ya like them apples, Code Pink?”

I’m sure they’ll love it when the government uses the Patriot Act against conservatives.


14 posted on 02/26/2010 8:11:12 AM PST by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center

That’s pretty much the same thing that Code Pink said about Bush/Cheney having the authority. Paranoia abounds.

If the government needed the authority granted by the Patriot Act to track terrorists under the Bush Administration, they need it under the Obama Administration.

SnakeDoc


15 posted on 02/26/2010 8:20:45 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Do you know if the hotel is pager friendly? [...] I'm not getting a sig on my beeper.)
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To: MaestroLC

I didn’t support the Patriot Act when it was enacted, and I don’t like it now.


16 posted on 02/26/2010 8:23:09 AM PST by Darren McCarty (I don't look for leaders. I follow my own path, my way.)
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To: MaestroLC

The dems control it all-house, senate, presidency...and:

George W. Bush vindicated!!!!!


17 posted on 02/26/2010 8:38:53 AM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: SnakeDoctor

“That’s pretty much the same thing that Code Pink said about Bush/Cheney having the authority. Paranoia abounds.”

Expansion in power is always a dangerous thing. You can shove your “paranoia” line.

“If the government needed the authority granted by the Patriot Act to track terrorists under the Bush Administration, they need it under the Obama Administration.”

What on earth makes you think they’ll just -or even at all - use this against Islamic terrorists? The law doesn’t limit itself to “Islamic terrorists”.

“Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.” - George Washington

I guess he was just paranoid too. We should all trust the government. They are here to help us, right?


18 posted on 02/26/2010 8:42:51 AM PST by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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Excellent news. Extend the Patriot Act for far more than 1 year though; make it 10 years. Thank God for such a wise move and to those that voted in favor of it.


19 posted on 02/26/2010 8:43:54 AM PST by NoRedTape
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To: Favor Center

Protecting this country from foreign and domestic threats is among the mandated responsibilities of government. I will not chastize them for doing the job we Constitutionally mandated that they do.

If they overstep or twist the law to political ends, they’ll hear from me. Until then — I supported the bill under the Bush Administration, and I support it now.

SnakeDoc


20 posted on 02/26/2010 8:46:58 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Do you know if the hotel is pager friendly? [...] I'm not getting a sig on my beeper.)
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To: MaestroLC

Passed both House and Senate....I’d love to know which Dems voted in favor of this....now that Obama’s POTUS.


21 posted on 02/26/2010 8:53:04 AM PST by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: MaestroLC

Time to re-up our Reichstag insurance.


22 posted on 02/26/2010 8:53:48 AM PST by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: MaestroLC

VOICE VOTE? are they cowards or what?

“Several key components of the law are set to expire Sunday, including wire-tapping, surveillance and seizure provisions. If passed by the House, they will expire on Feb. 28, 2011.

The law was passed by voice vote, which does not require debate on the Senate floor.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/33479.html#ixzz0gfpffCOj


23 posted on 02/26/2010 8:56:30 AM PST by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: SnakeDoctor

“Protecting this country from foreign and domestic threats is among the mandated responsibilities of government. I will not chastize them for doing the job we Constitutionally mandated that they do.”

Define “domestic threats”? According to the DOJ, we are “domestic threats”. Patriot Act has been used in some high-profile cases that had nothing to do with terrorism and will continue to be.

You trust in your government far too much.


24 posted on 02/26/2010 9:24:33 AM PST by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center

>> Define “domestic threats”?

Timothy McVeigh ... the Ft. Hood shooter ... the schmuck that flew a plane into the IRS building in Austin. Those domestic threats.

>> According to the DOJ, we are “domestic threats”.

And yet we’re still here. The Obama Administration and Holder DOJ has had the backing of the Patriot Act for over a year ... and has yet to use it to round up or prosecute conservatives or freepers.

>> Patriot Act has been used in some high-profile cases that had nothing to do with terrorism and will continue to be.

The Patriot act is a tactic for counterterrorism and criminal justice. I see no problem with it being used in non-terrorist criminal cases.

>> You trust in your government far too much.

As Reagan said with regard to the Soviets — trust but verify. The government needs the capability of defending this nation — to withhold such capability would be malpractice on the part of the citizenry.

The government MUST be watched very diligently — but they must have the legal capability of fulfilling their Constitutional mandate.

SnakeDoc


25 posted on 02/26/2010 9:37:25 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Do you know if the hotel is pager friendly? [...] I'm not getting a sig on my beeper.)
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To: SnakeDoctor

“And yet we’re still here. The Obama Administration and Holder DOJ has had the backing of the Patriot Act for over a year ... and has yet to use it to round up or prosecute conservatives or freepers.”

Give ‘em time. Like I said. You trust government too much.

The USA PATRIOT-type powers are pretty much the same asked for be Reno during the Clinton Administration.

“The Patriot act is a tactic for counterterrorism and criminal justice. I see no problem with it being used in non-terrorist criminal cases.”

So, are there any limits to the police power?

http://www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb108/hb108-12.pdf

“As Reagan said with regard to the Soviets — trust but verify. The government needs the capability of defending this nation — to withhold such capability would be malpractice on the part of the citizenry.”

The government intentionally DOESN’T defend the nation.

“The government MUST be watched very diligently — but they must have the legal capability of fulfilling their Constitutional mandate.”

There are many who would argue that these expanded powers violate that Constitution. If they intended to defend the country, we’d have secured borders, not laws intended to further control citizens.


26 posted on 02/26/2010 9:47:40 AM PST by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: SnakeDoctor

The code pink gals will need loads of D-cell batteries to overcome this renewal of the patriot act.


27 posted on 02/26/2010 9:52:14 AM PST by Loud Mime (Liberalism is a Socialist Disease)
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To: Favor Center

>> Give ‘em time. Like I said. You trust government too much.

I read the same thing in DU rants about Bush/Cheney. Like I said ... paranoia abounds.

>> So, are there any limits to the police power?

Yes. This law does not exceed those limits.

>> There are many who would argue that these expanded powers violate that Constitution.

So? Then “many” are wrong. There are many people that believe abortion is a Constitutional right. That “many” believe something is not persuasive.

>> If they intended to defend the country, we’d have secured borders, not laws intended to further control citizens.

I’m with you on the border. But, since the Patriot Act was passed, I have noticed no additional government control over my actions, my speech, or the actions of anyone I’ve encountered. No rights have been breached.

SnakeDoc


28 posted on 02/26/2010 9:55:09 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Do you know if the hotel is pager friendly? [...] I'm not getting a sig on my beeper.)
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To: Loud Mime

>> The code pink gals will need loads of D-cell batteries to overcome this renewal of the patriot act.

Haha. That was a mental image I did not need.

From now on, to avoid further revulsion, I will picture the Women of Fox News when referring to Code Pink. Accuracy notwithstanding, its certainly a more appealing mental image.

SnakeDoc


29 posted on 02/26/2010 9:57:38 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Do you know if the hotel is pager friendly? [...] I'm not getting a sig on my beeper.)
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To: SnakeDoctor
‘Protecting this country from foreign and domestic threats is among the mandated responsibilities of government.’

I would remind you to look at the Constitution again. The job of Gov’t is to support and defend the Constitution. Nothing about keeping you safe, that is your job.

No one is safe in a police state with no freedom. The Patriot Act will be used by the police state. Joy.

30 posted on 02/26/2010 10:00:07 AM PST by Palter (Kilroy was here.)
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To: MaestroLC
George W. Bush vindicated.

Just as accurately, ain't a dime's worth of difference between the big government/anti-civil liberty Demopublicans and the big government Republocrats and their leader George W. Obama.

31 posted on 02/26/2010 10:01:02 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: SnakeDoctor

“I read the same thing in DU rants about Bush/Cheney. Like I said ... paranoia abounds.”

Like I said: shove the “paranoia” bilge.

“Yes. This law does not exceed those limits.”

Actually, yes. “Sneak-n-peak”.

“I’m with you on the border. But, since the Patriot Act was passed, I have noticed no additional government control over my actions, my speech, or the actions of anyone I’ve encountered. No rights have been breached.”

Actually, you just haven’t noticed the increasing data they are now maintaining on you.


32 posted on 02/26/2010 10:09:46 AM PST by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: MaestroLC; franksolich; Charles Henrickson

I want to see the DU react to this


33 posted on 02/26/2010 10:16:57 AM PST by GeronL (Political Philosophy: I Own Me (yep, boiled down to 6 letters))
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To: Palter

>> I would remind you to look at the Constitution again. The job of Gov’t is to support and defend the Constitution. Nothing about keeping you safe, that is your job.

Good grief. You should re-read it yourself. The Federal government’s responsibility for national security is codified in Article 4, section 4. It is also mentioned in the first sentence of the document (the preamble) as among the initial justifications for its writing.

Article IV, section 4 — “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union [...] and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and [...] against domestic Violence.”

“We the people of the United States, in order to [...] provide for the common defense [...] and secure the blessings of Liberty do ordain and establish this Constitution [...].”

The federal duty to protect and defend this country from foreign invasion and domestic violence is fully codified in the Constitution. I claimed no right to personal safety.

>> No one is safe in a police state with no freedom.

Granted. But our government is not the only threat to our freedom — and our government is responsible for defending this nation and its citizens from external and internal threats to that freedom.

SnakeDoc


34 posted on 02/26/2010 10:21:39 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Do you know if the hotel is pager friendly? [...] I'm not getting a sig on my beeper.)
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To: Palter
I would remind you to look at the Constitution again. The job of Gov’t is to support and defend the Constitution. Nothing about keeping you safe, that is your job.

Article 1 - The Legislative Branch ; Section 8 - Powers of Congress

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

35 posted on 02/26/2010 10:25:48 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: Favor Center

>> Like I said: shove the “paranoia” bilge.

I heard you, but the point stands. Paranoia abounds. As do, apparently, delusions of grandeur. The Obama Administration is no more tracking you than Dick Cheney was tracking DUers.

This is a criminal justice and counterterrorist law that has helped us avert terrorist activity and out several terrorist cells on American soil. Had it been in place, and competently used, it could’ve averted 9/11.

We are at war. We cannot hamstring our those sworn to defend this nation, and expect to win ... and our very freedom and sovereignty depends on victory.

I will object to any Obama Administration action, including perversion of the Patriot Act, that I find objectionable. I do not, however, object to the law itself. Victory over islamic fascism is essential to the preservation of the Republic.

SnakeDoc


36 posted on 02/26/2010 10:30:17 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Do you know if the hotel is pager friendly? [...] I'm not getting a sig on my beeper.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
-- Freaking democrat hypocrites. --

The rank and file is pissed. See Senate Votes to Extend Patriot Act at TalkLeft, for example.

37 posted on 02/26/2010 10:35:33 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: SnakeDoctor
-- I have noticed no additional government control over my actions, my speech, or the actions of anyone I've encountered. No rights have been breached. --

You are conflating "action" with "observation." You express a point of view whereby if you don't notice being observed, then no rights have been breached. Under that logic, you'd not object to a non-caught peeping Tom. Peeping Toms don't assert control over your actions, speech, etc.

If you have nothing to hide, no harm.

38 posted on 02/26/2010 10:44:38 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: SnakeDoctor

Fox News has given us many pleasant visions.


39 posted on 02/26/2010 10:48:57 AM PST by Loud Mime (Liberalism is a Socialist Disease)
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To: Cboldt

The poster with whom I was conversing asserted that the Patriot Act allowed “control”. I was disputing that assertion by point out that our actions are not being controlled.

Public activites (such as posting on a message board) are always legal for observation ... and the Patriot Act does allow for more surveillance of non-public activities.

SnakeDoc


40 posted on 02/26/2010 10:54:51 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Do you know if the hotel is pager friendly? [...] I'm not getting a sig on my beeper.)
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To: SnakeDoctor

“I heard you, but the point stands. Paranoia abounds. As do, apparently, delusions of grandeur. The Obama Administration is no more tracking you than Dick Cheney was tracking DUers.”

It’s not about me or you personally, it’s about the increase in data tracked on everyone.

“This is a criminal justice and counterterrorist law that has helped us avert terrorist activity and out several terrorist cells on American soil. Had it been in place, and competently used, it could’ve averted 9/11.”

It was sold as a counterterrorism law, not expanded general police powers.

“We are at war. We cannot hamstring our those sworn to defend this nation, and expect to win ... and our very freedom and sovereignty depends on victory.”

Yes, we are at war, but it’s one the government has no interest in winning. The greatest threat to our liberty is and always has been the tyrant next door, not the enemy far away.

“Victory over islamic fascism is essential to the preservation of the Republic.”

Our government doesn’t see Islam as a threat and the Republic is long dead.

You win a war by KILLING THE ENEMY, not by watching your own citizens.


41 posted on 02/26/2010 11:04:29 AM PST by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: MaestroLC; All

I’m sure this will lead all three networks tonite, with lots of footage of screaming and protesting liberals, RIGHT?


42 posted on 02/26/2010 11:23:54 AM PST by tcrlaf (Obama White House=Tammany Hall on the National Mall)
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To: MaestroLC

Russ Feingold (D, WI) is against The Patriot Act. So, without even having to think about it, I must be for it!

http://www.archipelago.org/vol6-2/feingold.htm

(We’re working on ousting Feingold in the mid-term election.)


43 posted on 02/26/2010 11:44:02 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.)
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To: MaestroLC

“Many liberals in the House opposed the controversial act, saying it tramps Constitutional protections and civil liberties.”

Laughable, since they’re the 1s wanting to take choices away for everything (i.e., doctors, wearing helmets, etc) EXCEPT whether to kill an innocent person.

Otherwise: BWAAAHHHAAAHAAAHAAA.

So, liberals so hate the horrible Bush Patriot Act, eh? Overwhelming majority voted for it, eh?


44 posted on 02/26/2010 12:25:10 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Favor Center

Is there any place that prints the whole Patriot Act (especially as now enacted)?

Otherwise, I want to know specifics of just how this threatens all of us at any given time. What in the law specifically is “unconstitutional”? Not, “they’re looking at us!!!” but, what are procedures, protocol, etc.


45 posted on 02/26/2010 12:39:49 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

“Is there any place that prints the whole Patriot Act (especially as now enacted)?”

Federal Register.

“Otherwise, I want to know specifics of just how this threatens all of us at any given time. What in the law specifically is “unconstitutional”? Not, “they’re looking at us!!!” but, what are procedures, protocol, etc.”

Well, if you are of a mind that “if you’ve done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear”, you’re fine. These are the same powers Reno sought - roving wire taps, sneak-n-peek searches, access to all business records based on only an NSL. If this was only applied to terrorism, fine. It’s not. It has expanded additional reporting involving everyone. How is that EVER good?


46 posted on 02/26/2010 1:41:27 PM PST by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center

On line?

Again, I don’t think you’re telling the whole story. Wire taps - willy-nilly, without any protocol? Or is there a condition to be fulfilled?

What is an NSL?


47 posted on 02/26/2010 2:53:40 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

“On line?”

Yes, the Federal Register is online.

“Again, I don’t think you’re telling the whole story. Wire taps - willy-nilly, without any protocol? Or is there a condition to be fulfilled?”

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/10/15/patriot-powers-roving-wiretaps/

“What is an NSL?”

National Security Letter. It is supposed to be followed up with by a warrant, but often isn’t.


48 posted on 02/26/2010 2:58:46 PM PST by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Ping!
49 posted on 02/26/2010 5:35:47 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: SunkenCiv; All

Obama signs one year extension of Patriot Act. I’m going to sneak over to DU to see how they’re taking the news.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-02-27-Patriot-Act_N.htm


50 posted on 02/27/2010 3:50:39 PM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013- The end of an error.)
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