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Report: Key Senators Would Nix 'Cap and Trade' (but they will push for higher gasoline taxes)
AP ^ | 2010-02-26

Posted on 02/26/2010 10:25:00 PM PST by rabscuttle385

Report: 3 key senators propose jettisoning 'cap-and-trade'; favor reducing carbon pollution.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Three key senators are writing a new climate bill without a broad "cap-and-trade" approach to reducing carbon pollution, leaving behind what has been the central feature in the debate over climate legislation for years, The Washington Post reported Friday night.

Cap and trade, in which overall pollution reduction targets are met by allowing facilities to buy and sell pollution credits, has become so politically unpopular that its Senate passage is viewed as unlikely.

So Sens. John Kerry, D-Mass., Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Joe Lieberman, I-Conn,., are planning an alternative to be introduced next month, the Post reported on its Web site. The bill would apply different carbon controls to different sectors of the economy instead of taking a national approach.

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The new bill by Kerry, Graham and Lieberman, who have taken lead roles in the climate debate, would apply different approaches to three major emission sources: electric utilities, transportation and industry, the Post said, attributing the details to unidentified people familiar with the process.

Utilities would have to meet an overall emissions cap that would grow stricter over time. A carbon tax could be levied on motor fuel. And industrial facilities would be exempted from an emissions cap for several years, before it would be phased in.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Connecticut; US: Massachusetts; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 111th; agw; bho44; capandtax; capandtrade; capandtraitors; connecticut; democrats; economy; energy; gasoline; globalwarming; kerry; liberalfascism; lieberman; lindseygraham; lping; massachusetts; mccainmutiny; mclamesrevenge; rino; southcarolina; taxes; tyranny

1 posted on 02/26/2010 10:25:00 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: upchuck; steelyourfaith; bamahead
A carbon tax could be levied on motor fuel.

Figures that the RINOs and Democrats would want to increase gasoline taxes.

2 posted on 02/26/2010 10:25:37 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385

Hanoi Boi, Lindsey and Joe. The piggies are getting ready to screw over the “little people” with more taxes. Nice.


3 posted on 02/26/2010 10:27:01 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("Suitcase Jake" RIP 02-25-10. You were one of a kind good buddy!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

These are bold face lies from the communist press. It’s the same crap under a different name.


4 posted on 02/26/2010 10:28:07 PM PST by Luke21
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To: rabscuttle385

Odd that McCain isn’t a co-sponsor of this bill. What could possibly be the reason?


5 posted on 02/26/2010 10:35:22 PM PST by Question Liberal Authority (Proud Member of the Teeth Party Movement)
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To: rabscuttle385

There is a big push for cap and trade by the financial powers to be. They already established a new US economy based on paper and less on manufacturing. Since the last paper bubble blew up in Sep 2008, the financial powers to be cannot re establish manufacturing or wait for some new internet type invention to replace the defunct banks. A new game has to be established based on myth, thus global warming and cap/trade finances as the US trade their clean air for the rising developing nations’ money to buy clean air credit in lieu of pollution. Wall Street has invested big money to make cap and trade happen, and are waiting for Congress to pass the laws. Cap and Trade is the next NAFTA. Alot of big money will push the Dems and GOP Senators and Reps to establish it.


6 posted on 02/26/2010 10:37:46 PM PST by Fee (Peace, prosperity, jobs and common sense)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

McCain is waiting to win his primary before he does that.

And besides, getting vitamin C off the streets and regulated by the FDA is more important to him.


7 posted on 02/26/2010 10:38:45 PM PST by VicVega ( SAINTS WIN THE SUPER BOWL)
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To: rabscuttle385
Oh yeah, a gasoline tax will do wonders for the economy.

Think of all the people who can get jobs as rickshaw drivers!

Just when you wondered if Congress could get any dumber!

8 posted on 02/26/2010 10:42:48 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Question Liberal Authority
"Odd that McCain isn’t a co-sponsor of this bill. What could possibly be the reason?

Election year for him. Otherwise he would be right there, co-sponsoring.

GO HAYWORTH!

9 posted on 02/26/2010 10:49:33 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: rabscuttle385

November. Can we last until November.


10 posted on 02/26/2010 10:54:48 PM PST by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: screaminsunshine
November. Can we last until November.

I think the bigger question is whether we can last until August.

McCain's annihilation in the Arizona primary will likely send chills up the spines of every RINO within 3,000 miles.

11 posted on 02/26/2010 10:56:30 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385

We can only hope. Crist here is saying he might go 3rd party. The New RINO Party.


12 posted on 02/26/2010 10:58:27 PM PST by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Oh yeah, a gasoline tax will do wonders for the economy.

Before memories become too short, remember the summer of 2008 when gasoline hit a whopping $4.50 gallon and began the tipping point of our current national economic meltdown.

Sure there were plenty of other teetering aspects at the time, but it was the sudden surge of gasoline prices which broke the camel's back.

Also remember that when Dubya signed an Executive Order allowing offshore drilling, how the price of gasoline plummeted almost immediately ... dropping to a low of $1.62 gallon in these parts (January 2009) ... I hadn't seen those types of gas prices since 2002!

Yer exactly right, taxing gasoline is the completely WRONG approach, and doesn't solve anything ... but of course we're dealing with an out-of-control government and that's the only thing they know --- MO MONEY MO MONEY MO MONEY ---

/sigh
-- MM

13 posted on 02/26/2010 11:05:50 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: rabscuttle385

Isn’t Bi-partisexualism wonderful? We can destroy this Country together. I want to see Ghramm hung in effigy.

Pray for AMerica’s Freedom


14 posted on 02/26/2010 11:10:46 PM PST by bray (Throw All the Bums Out, starting with McCain)
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To: All

Heck, with our luck, they will pass both, killing the economy immediately and irrevocably.

I know that since Lieberman isn’t up for election for five years, he hopes that his sponsorship can be swept down the memory hole before it will hurt him. Don’t know when Miss Lindsey or Magic Hat Kerry are up again, but they are insane enough to be willing to screw their constituents at any time.


15 posted on 02/26/2010 11:16:40 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: rabscuttle385

The Nazi Pelosi/Reid/Obeyme Regime needs to know the people DO NOT WANT THEM MEDDLING WITH OUR FREEDOMS!

The sheer irony of it all is that Mario Savio’s (liberal at the time) Free Speech movment speech could be well applied to the Obama Regime as it was then to the University:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcx9BJRadfw

This is how the Tea Partiers feel:

“There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part; you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop. And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!”

Spread the word:

WE ARE THE TRUE FREEDOM FIGHTERS — not much different than the students fighting for their free speech rights in Berkeley in 1964.


16 posted on 02/27/2010 12:41:21 AM PST by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: rabscuttle385

A Limerick:

A committee chairman named Max,
Discovered some relevant facts.
While he loved Cap & Trade
Higher gas taxes made
Sure that Congress got money, not Sachs

parsy, who is crashing


17 posted on 02/27/2010 12:42:30 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: rabscuttle385

The usual suspects with zero credibility I see.


18 posted on 02/27/2010 1:19:56 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: rabscuttle385; marvlus; TenthAmendmentChampion; Carlucci; proud_yank; meyer; Horusra; ...
Thanx !

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

19 posted on 02/27/2010 3:29:09 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Warmists as "traffic light" apocalyptics: "Greens too yellow to admit they're really Reds."-Monckton)
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To: rabscuttle385

OBAMANOMICS—TRICKLE DOWN DESTRUCTION of the economy

SET THEIR LOCAL AND DC LINES ON FIRE!

Bambi doesn’t keep his promises...so buyer beware!

Sen Scott Brown’s number is 202-224-4543
Capitol Hill switchboard is 202-224-3121

Lots of local demwit phone numbers on this thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2408217/posts

Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Military’s secondary health ins.
(DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011 NEEDS TO BE REPEALED!

New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake.

OBAMA’s WAR ON SENIORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2433867/posts/

Friday, February 19, 2010
Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security
http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security

Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html

SOCIALIZED MED THREAD http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2460358/posts

TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:
http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html
This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.) http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf

http://www.vawatchdog.org/09/hcva09/hcva110609-1.htm

Bill Would Restrict Veterans’ Health Care Options 11/06/09
Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries

Congress plans to block Tricare fee increases
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w/

By Rick Maze - Staff writer, Oct 7, 2009

Tricare fee increases imposed last week by the Defense Department will be repealed by a provision of the compromise 2010 defense authorization bill unveiled Wednesday by House and Senate negotiators.
Snip The fee increases were announced on Sept. 30 and took effect on Oct. 1, but the defense bill, HR 2647, includes a provision barring any fee increases until the start of fiscal 2011.

Snip

Retired Army Maj. Gen. Bill Matz, president of the National Association for Uniformed Services, said the announcement of fee increases was shocking considering that the Obama administration promised earlier this year to hold off on any new fee Tricare fee increases until fiscal 2011.

“President Obama and DoD assured NAUS and the entire military family earlier this year that there would rightly be no increases in any Tricare fees” in fiscal 2010, Matz said. “We took them at their word, and I can’t believe that a co-pay increase like this was allowed to go forward,” he added.


20 posted on 02/27/2010 6:19:25 AM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: rabscuttle385
From API, read it and weep....

Motor Fuel Taxes State Gasoline Tax Reports Summary Report: Updated January 2010 to reflect changes since October 2009

21 posted on 02/27/2010 6:24:07 AM PST by mewzilla (I'm not a socialist. Heck, yes, I hope Barry fails. Sheesh.)
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To: rabscuttle385
and America takes another one in the........

22 posted on 02/27/2010 6:33:47 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: rabscuttle385

All these asinine schemes are aimed at raising energy prices to reduce consumption. The result will be lower productivity, lower economic activity, and fewer jobs. Activist illogical policy will increase misery worldwide. Increased energy unit taxes (per btu, per barrel, per gallon) will decrease total tax revenue due to the decrease in overall economic activity, an economic death spiral.


23 posted on 02/27/2010 6:36:09 AM PST by ricks_place
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To: VicVega

This is a question that Hayworth could ask McCain during the upcoming debate.


24 posted on 02/27/2010 6:48:06 AM PST by orinoco
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To: ricks_place

Why would the progressive/Marxists want to reduce energy consumption. Is it to reduce the effects of carbon emissions and thus reduce global warming? Or, is it to obtain more government control over we the people? I think it is the latter!


25 posted on 02/27/2010 6:51:05 AM PST by orinoco
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To: rabscuttle385
High fuel prices are what triggered the mortgage meltdown.

Idiots.

26 posted on 02/27/2010 7:05:08 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: rabscuttle385; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ..
A carbon tax could be levied on motor fuel.

Levied by the cancer known as Lindsey Graham.



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27 posted on 02/27/2010 7:44:38 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

“Odd that McCain isn’t a co-sponsor of this bill. What could possibly be the reason?”

Duh, running for re election?


28 posted on 02/27/2010 7:46:57 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: rabscuttle385

Increasing taxes on the poor and middle class, eh?


29 posted on 02/27/2010 9:26:35 AM PST by Mike Darancette (You know Obama is in trouble when the MSM mentions that he is half white.)
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