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Handgun Derangement Syndrome Grips Restaurateurs
American Thinker ^ | February 27, 2010 | Chuck Roger

Posted on 02/27/2010 6:16:04 AM PST by fuzzybutt

"Honest adults with licensed guns, go away. Lawbreakers looking for sitting ducks, step right in." Actually, the sign at the entrance to the Phoenix, Arizona restaurant simply read, "No Firearms." I returned to my car and left.

A wave of constipated thinking has afflicted some Arizonans after legislators passed a law allowing licensed concealed handguns to be carried into businesses that serve alcohol as long as the licensees consume none. Proprietors have the option to post the "No Firearms" sign, and many have done so.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; banglist; carry; handgun; law; rkba
In Fl. we have had CCW since 1989 and I have never seen a single sign like that.

In Arizona to boot, Cowboy country!

1 posted on 02/27/2010 6:16:05 AM PST by fuzzybutt
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To: fuzzybutt
Best thing to do is tell the restaurant that you won't dine there and you will tell all your friends not to. Word of mouth can kill a business faster than anything else.
2 posted on 02/27/2010 6:21:13 AM PST by Recon Dad ( USMC SSgt Patrick O - 3rd Afghanistan Deployment - Day 129)
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To: fuzzybutt
Owners must be liberal immigrants from the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia.

- Traveler

3 posted on 02/27/2010 6:23:36 AM PST by Traveler59 (Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: fuzzybutt
The owners have a right to post whatever they want.
It's a free country (for a little while more at least).
You have a right to vote with your feet. And your wallet.
When he starts to lose too much business, the sign will come down.
4 posted on 02/27/2010 6:23:52 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: fuzzybutt
When I lived in Phoenix (almost 19 years ago) I remember seeing "No Guns Allowed" signs on grocery stores and such even back then. I was new to the state so I asked someone what that was all about and they said that because many people chose to open carry some business posted signs because they didn't want any guns in their stores (as if it would stop a criminal).

I have to admit I was kind of surprised since it was Arizona, but then again, it was in the Phoenix area. I don't remember seeing any of those types of signs in Flagstaff or any smaller cities.

5 posted on 02/27/2010 6:24:36 AM PST by Pablo64 (Political Correctness is a DISEASE. <==> TRUTH is the CURE.)
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To: fuzzybutt

When you decide not to enter such an establishment, a letter to the proprietor explaining why you did not come in and spend your money, accompanied by a copy of Suzanna Gratia Hupp’s account of the Luby’s massacre.


6 posted on 02/27/2010 6:24:46 AM PST by EricT. (Can we start hanging them yet?)
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To: fuzzybutt

Posted “No firearms”

Isn’t that sort of asking to be robbed by a gun toting “criminal”


7 posted on 02/27/2010 6:28:45 AM PST by Popman
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To: fuzzybutt

Another sign for them

8 posted on 02/27/2010 6:32:29 AM PST by GregoTX (When people find they can vote themselves money it will herald the end of the republic. Ben Franklin)
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To: fuzzybutt

If a restaurant or store has a “No Firearms” sign, I ask to speak with the manager.

I ask the manager if they have armed security in their establishment.

When the manager says ‘no’, I tell him that I will not make myself and my family defenseless while he advertises to criminals that there are no firearms present.

Then, I walk away.


9 posted on 02/27/2010 6:32:33 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: GregoTX

10 posted on 02/27/2010 6:37:16 AM PST by GregoTX (When people find they can vote themselves money it will herald the end of the republic. Ben Franklin)
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To: fuzzybutt

I remember reading about an incident in Florida years ago where some idiot tried to rob a restaurant only to find himself surrounded by a bunch of gun toting geezers who weren’t happy about having their lunch interrupted.


11 posted on 02/27/2010 6:41:51 AM PST by Malone LaVeigh
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To: BitWielder1

That may be why he put the sign up in the first place. Many people feel uncomfortable knowing there are armed persons around them and their family. I’m guessing there are more people like that, than would leave because of the sign.


12 posted on 02/27/2010 6:42:12 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: fuzzybutt
I guess the people feel safer. Feelings can deceive.
13 posted on 02/27/2010 6:44:57 AM PST by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: fuzzybutt

We have the same law working it’s way through the legeslature in NM. The same tired arguments from the restaurant owners.

Since CCW holders can’t drink in an establishment when carrying, the restaurant owners don’t like that loss of revenue either.


14 posted on 02/27/2010 6:49:15 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: fuzzybutt

The Waffle Houses in Palm Bay had a no firearms sign.


15 posted on 02/27/2010 6:51:10 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: GregoTX

now thats funny


16 posted on 02/27/2010 6:52:06 AM PST by housemouse 1
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To: fuzzybutt

Stuff like that drives me crazy. I would make a small sign — something that says “Gun-free zone — unarmed sitting ducks inside” and tape it to their front door. They’d take it down, of course, but it might make someone think.


17 posted on 02/27/2010 6:56:44 AM PST by Jerrybob
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To: stuartcr
Then let the free market do it's work.
Let us all be free to choose between gun-gunfree, smoke-smokefree, kids-kidsfree etc. Fine with me.
18 posted on 02/27/2010 7:01:02 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: fuzzybutt

Kalefornicator infiltration. However, the free market should clear up the problem. Kind of like smoke free casinos in Las Vegas.


19 posted on 02/27/2010 7:01:54 AM PST by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: GregoTX
Remember, when seconds count ...
... the police are only minutes away.
20 posted on 02/27/2010 7:11:08 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: EricT.; All
You can always go to cityguide.com for just about any city in America (just google your city's name and “restaurants” - it'll be on the list of search results) and post a review of any listed restaurant. A surprising amount of people actually do read and use them to make their dining decisions, and their "bad experience" reviews do spread very quickly.

Or, you can start a blog listing, allowing visitors (moderated to keep the idiots out) to post their experiences at "un-gun-friendly" restaurants in town, and “metatag” it properly so that a restaurant search for that city will bring it to the first page of your search results. Promote your list site through local gun shops and ranges. Word will spread fast. Your users will also promote friendly restaurants, who will love you for it.

Restaurants live and die by word of mouth. There's an old principle about the impact of word of mouth advertising - "Every unsatisfied customer will cost you a dozen or more - Every satisfied customer might gain you 4 or 5".

All of the advertising and promotion will not keep them in business very long if they keep turning customers away. Don't be rude, don't be abusive. Simply spell out your reasons for spending your money elsewhere. Politely and cogently make your case for not patronizing them, and other CCW holders will do the same.

The restaurant may get some "sympathy" customers, who will dine there out of political support for their position, but they won't last.

And if you've made your "protection" case well enough, the normal people will start to feel unsafe there.

21 posted on 02/27/2010 7:21:31 AM PST by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!)
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To: fuzzybutt
"A wave of constipated thinking has afflicted some Arizonans after legislators passed a law allowing licensed concealed handguns to be carried into businesses that serve alcohol as long as the licensees consume none. Proprietors have the option to post the "No Firearms" sign, and many have done so."

Yup. Tennessee has the same thing. The TN media refer to it as the "Guns in Bars" law, lol. No negative connotations there (sarcasm). A judge ruled it was "unconstitutionally vague" making the anti-gun folks happy. The legislature is going to re-word it. Gun owners weren't happy with the old wording anyway because counties and restaurants can independently declare this area and that area "gun free zones" despite our lawful right to carry. I agree with another poster, if there's a "no guns" allowed sign, I spend my money elsewhere.

22 posted on 02/27/2010 7:43:47 AM PST by TennesseeGirl
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To: EricT.; Erik Latranyi
When you decide not to enter such an establishment, a letter to the proprietor explaining why you did not come in and spend your money

When I worked in Texas back in the '90s, there was a law where restaurant owners could post a "no firearms" sign.

Some CCW holders then patronized these places. When the waitress gave them a menu, they gave her a business card and asked that she give it to the manager.

It said something like this (probably not as wordy):
I have a license to carry concealed.
Due to your "No Firearms" sign, I am not carrying.
Thank you for assuming the legal liability
of protecting me while in this establishment.
Should any harm come to me while here,
my family will have our attorney contact you.

Then they ordered a cup of coffee, leisurely drank it, and left, but tres cool, they left a big tip for the waitress.

Many places took their signs down. They didn't want to risk a law suit or figured out this was a meaningless law. The only penalty if outed was to ask the "perp" to leave or face a trespassing fine. If you gotta eat at one of these places, remember that CCW means CONCEALED, so unless you are sloppy, who's goona know?

23 posted on 02/27/2010 8:08:10 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Oatka
If you gotta eat at one of these places, remember that CCW means CONCEALED, so unless you are sloppy, who's goona know?

Feces happens. :)

24 posted on 02/27/2010 8:11:24 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: fuzzybutt
In Arizona to boot, Cowboy country!

Cowboys left and Kalifornian libtards moved in.

25 posted on 02/27/2010 8:47:10 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: BitWielder1

Me too.


26 posted on 02/27/2010 10:57:56 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr

What has six legs and three teeth?

The midnight shift at Waffle House! < rimshot >


27 posted on 02/27/2010 4:18:48 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

I’ve definitely put my some time in Waffle Houses late at nite. It can be a learning experience.


28 posted on 02/27/2010 5:17:43 PM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: fuzzybutt

Brandsmarts have them. They also know what a fanny pack is for. Boynton Mall has the signs at the mall entrances, but not at the department store entrances. Wellingotn Mall said they have that policy, but I haven’t seen the signs at the doors I use.


29 posted on 02/27/2010 5:44:59 PM PST by sig226 (Bring back Jimmy Carter!)
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To: stuartcr

That was told to me as a joke but I’ve actually experienced the reality. I was down in small town South Carolina on business, couldn’t sleep one night, decided to go out and get something to eat. Little podunk town, of course the only place open in the middle of the night was Waffle House. So I go in, decide I want pecan pie and a coffee, and the waitress comes over to get my order, and she DOES have about three teeth! Probably not the best strategery on their part to sell more pie, but I bought some anyway!


30 posted on 02/27/2010 7:08:02 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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