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Navy smart to sink sexism
Boston Herald ^ | February 27, 2010 | Bonnie Erbe

Posted on 02/27/2010 9:04:30 AM PST by ConservativeStatement

The long-standing ban on stationing female sailors in submarines is about to become a thing of the past. This week the Pentagon sent a letter to lawmakers telling them of this change in Navy policy, adding that the first female officers will probably start appearing on nuclear submarines by next year.

This is one more step forward for women in the military, although the ban on females serving in certain combat positions still remains intact. Women now make up some 15 percent of the all-volunteer services, and have become crucial to keeping the nation’s military operational.

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KEYWORDS: erbe; militarywomen; navy; sexism; submarine; usnavy
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She is making the claim that the 15% ("large number") of voluntees who are women is the reason we don't have a military draft?
1 posted on 02/27/2010 9:04:30 AM PST by ConservativeStatement
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They either fly the pregnant women off the Carriers or drop them in port. I wonder if the Subs will have to surface or put in to offload their preggies?


2 posted on 02/27/2010 9:06:34 AM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: ConservativeStatement

So now the Navy guy gets married and spends months on board the sub and his new wife is going to react how?


3 posted on 02/27/2010 9:06:48 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: ConservativeStatement

So says another “expert” who learned all she knows about the military from watching Star Trek, and hasn’t spent a day on a submarine.


4 posted on 02/27/2010 9:06:53 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Man... putting females on a sub is like putting a bunch of cats in a bag.


5 posted on 02/27/2010 9:10:24 AM PST by Cheap_Hessian (I am the Grim FReeper.)
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To: ConservativeStatement
Only a liberal would think this is a good idea. How much is it going to cost the Navy to modify the Subs for women? Liberalism is a mental disorder..
6 posted on 02/27/2010 9:11:29 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: saganite
"I wonder if the Subs will have to surface or put in to offload their preggies?"

Not if they fit in the torpedo tubes...

7 posted on 02/27/2010 9:11:50 AM PST by Cheap_Hessian (I am the Grim FReeper.)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

Man... putting females on a sub is like putting a bunch of cats in a bag.

Hit the nail on the head!!
Been there, seen it.
Jack


8 posted on 02/27/2010 9:12:53 AM PST by btcusn
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To: ConservativeStatement

volunteers (typo).


9 posted on 02/27/2010 9:13:49 AM PST by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: Cheap_Hessian
Man... putting females on a sub is like putting a bunch of cats in a bag.

Okay guys, don't say it.

10 posted on 02/27/2010 9:14:39 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: ConservativeStatement

The last function performed by the Feds that I respected was maintaining our armed forces. If they are going to ruin that with social experimentation and underfunding, then that will mean to me that the covenant between me and the Government created by our founding fathers, codified in the US Constitution no longer binding. (at least on me). Waiting for the big split. Were is the exit?


11 posted on 02/27/2010 9:16:43 AM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Were is the exit? = Where is the exit?


12 posted on 02/27/2010 9:17:44 AM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: Travis McGee

and hasn’t spent a day on a submarine. Hell, she hasn’t spent a day of reality in her entire life. More PC insanity by the Navy.

More Bonnie:But really, the “killer” whale’s deadly attack in Florida this week raises a much larger question: What in the heck are humans doing keeping undomesticated and “killer” animals in captivity to begin with?


13 posted on 02/27/2010 9:18:35 AM PST by wita
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To: ConservativeStatement

“Navy smart to sink sexism”

Wow.

Orwellian.

Sexisim being having standards based upon sex rather than ONE standard for all.


14 posted on 02/27/2010 9:19:39 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: ConservativeStatement

She probably thinks the term “hot-bunking” refers to dorm sex.


15 posted on 02/27/2010 9:20:37 AM PST by AU72
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To: ConservativeStatement

This is what happens when Effing democRATS are in control....


16 posted on 02/27/2010 9:22:03 AM PST by demkicker (Helping Democrats Become Extinct)
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To: wita

But really, the “killer” whale’s deadly attack in Florida this week raises a much larger question: What in the heck are humans doing keeping undomesticated and “killer” animals in captivity to begin with?

Bonnie, did you ever stop to think about that statement? It could apply equally to our prison system!


17 posted on 02/27/2010 9:22:06 AM PST by wita
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To: ConservativeStatement

Where to begin? I would like to know where the writer gets her “hundreds of women” joining the fighting ranks assertion from regarding both the Revolutionary and Civil Wars? There were certainly several women who dressed as men to participate, but hardly hundreds. Most of the women who did this wanted to join their husbands or boyfriends on the battlefield. Once they were discovered, usually at the infirmary, they were promptly given women’s clothing and told to leave. Interesting accounts of women during these wars exist and of the sacrifice and support they gave their husbands which shows them to have acted selflessly and with heroism. This does not mean that women should join the military and fight with men. Placing females amongst men in a submarine is not only lethal but immoral. What kind of argument does this author pose when she tries to support it by threatening an impending draft if women did not serve in the military? Is this not an example of a circular argument which is a logical fallacy?


18 posted on 02/27/2010 9:24:36 AM PST by sueuprising
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To: saganite

A submarine makes several stops during a deployment, so I would think that in most cases, they would make arrangements to replace a pregnant women during one of their stops several weeks before her due date. If they are in the middle of the ocean and there is a need for immediate medical attention, they would meet up with the nearest surface ship.


19 posted on 02/27/2010 9:25:08 AM PST by rwa265 (Christ my Cornerstone)
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To: ConservativeStatement

As best I can tell, aboard a sub, any member of the crew can sink the vessel and kill everyone aboard.

The evidence will be at the bottom of the ocean when the inevitable male female/triangle/homosexual relation results in a crazed crew member sinking the sub with all hands..

Damn the eyes of the Immoral Faux Admirals that for the sake of their next promotion and acceptance in the “Right Circles” in Washington will knowingly allow this to occur..

America’s Modern GQ, PC Pretty Boy Generals and Admirals for whom Victory is not an option will be the rumination of the US Military.. Betraying the tradition of excellence and courage that goes back to the beginning of this nation.

At least Benidict Arnold had the Guts to be a traitor and openly change sides. These worthless sacks lack even that degree of courage or Honor.

W


20 posted on 02/27/2010 9:25:28 AM PST by WLR (Remember 911 Remember 91 Iran delinda est.)
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To: ConservativeStatement; Travis McGee

this writer-harridan is such a fruitbat she thinks Michelle Obama is a Stepford Wife

amazing...a product of Barnard

hard to believe one of my life’s loves taught there when we did the big city thingie


21 posted on 02/27/2010 9:25:53 AM PST by wardaddy (I'm waiting for Epic Beard Man the movie.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

22 posted on 02/27/2010 9:26:17 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

Come now, there’s a perfectly good method already: throw the moms in the Momsen hatch. .


23 posted on 02/27/2010 9:26:17 AM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: ConservativeStatement
More idiocy from the social engineers.

I hope they're around to accept responsibility for their policies when the wheels come off.

24 posted on 02/27/2010 9:26:50 AM PST by skeeter
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To: ConservativeStatement

I live right next to Fort Knox Ky and its almost automatic when you see a female in uniform you see an expectant mother. I really wonder how they will fit all those female sailors in the subs. It is after all common knowledge that every female in the military counts as a half soldier just like female half cops. Every time things go bad they call in male backup.


25 posted on 02/27/2010 9:27:00 AM PST by cquiggy
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To: Travis McGee

So says DACOWITS.. really DACO-TWITS.


26 posted on 02/27/2010 9:29:33 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Yeah Bonnie, roger that, IDIOT! Like many FReepers, I’m ex-Navy, was on two aircraft carriers and one destroyer and while the carriers are literally floating cities, the quarters are CLOSE and privacy? You’re still stacked in there.

We have some sub drivers on FR, they know...


27 posted on 02/27/2010 9:29:33 AM PST by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: demkicker

Last night, I went to MSNBC by mistake (I wanted to watch the Olympics on CNBC — the channels are side by side on my system).

I came across Rachel Maddow and I heard her praise San Francisco (on an issue, though I switched the channel almost immediately) and then she said “Opponents are afraid to see how good things are when liberals are in charge.”

Don’t liberals run such havens as Detroit?


28 posted on 02/27/2010 9:31:34 AM PST by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: Sprite518

Only a liberal would think this is a good idea.

&&

Of course. Only a policy that negatively affects military readiness is improvement according to their world view.


29 posted on 02/27/2010 9:32:23 AM PST by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: rwa265

Your post is wildly and dangerously inaccurate.


30 posted on 02/27/2010 9:35:08 AM PST by Castlebar
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To: Raycpa

Hopefully she married a Sailor who has morals so she does not have anything to worry about. Everyone is over 18 afterall and should act like adults and be professional.


31 posted on 02/27/2010 9:38:05 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: rwa265

Ah, a little advice, in the future with regards to threads that are military in nature, please do not post your comments . You sound ridiculous.


32 posted on 02/27/2010 9:39:13 AM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: ConservativeStatement
This idiot is on one of the reasons for the death of Newspapers. Her stupidity is truly breathtaking. She has demonstrated that she doesn't just not understand the role of the military but also doesn't understand ships and especially submarines. The woman thinks the purpose of the military is to engage in social policy and not protect the country. This is stupidity at level so profound that it can literally kill you. She's as dumb as a box of rocks.
33 posted on 02/27/2010 9:41:37 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: cquiggy

that makes me NUTS! They should not have maternity camoflauge( iam sure that is mispelled!)


34 posted on 02/27/2010 9:42:10 AM PST by ronniesgal ( I miss George Bush. Hell, I miss Bill Clinton!!)
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To: Castlebar

How is it inaccurate?


35 posted on 02/27/2010 9:43:11 AM PST by rwa265 (Christ my Cornerstone)
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To: ConservativeStatement
Women on submarines...here are my questions:

1. Will there by gynocologists on board?

2. Will the medics exam table be fitted with stirrups?

3. Will the sub's sewage system handle "pads"?

4. If she "starts" in her sleep, will her 'hot bunk' partner have to sleep in the mess?

5. Will the commander feel ok about radioing HQ that they must break off the mission to deliver a preggie to the surface?

6. How will the 7-day cycle of bloating and moodiness effect the rest of the crew in such close quarters?

7. If they make "accomdations" for women, how will it be divided? Half women, half men?

8. If the gender ratio changes, will the sub have to return to port each time for a sleeping quarters retrofit?

9. Will the "heads" be co-ed?

10. How will the "submarinettes" husbands feel about her on 6-month deployment with all those guys in close quarters?

Just a few questions that occured to me; they may be moot in some cases as the closest I've see a submarine is in the movies, but inquring minds want to know.

36 posted on 02/27/2010 9:43:26 AM PST by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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This is one more step forward for women in the military, although the ban on females serving in certain combat positions still remains intact.

This may very well be a step forward for some women. But it is several steps backward for military efficiency and effectiveness. Has anyone run the numbers for the cost of pregnancies? What are the statistics for pregnant sailors on board ships? What is the cost of the pre- and post-natal care? What is the cost of interruption of operations to evacuate the women?

What percentage of dissonance involve women, especially on board ships? I would guess close to 100%.

What is the historical and anthropological basis for women being banned from ships in the days of sailing vessels?

Why do Democrats avoid common sense when it comes to the military? Why do Democrats dangle funding threats to ensure that their pet social experiments come about? These programs have proved to be inefficient and ineffective, yet the Democrats keep pushing them.

37 posted on 02/27/2010 9:43:34 AM PST by olezip
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To: central_va

How is it ridiculous?


38 posted on 02/27/2010 9:45:14 AM PST by rwa265 (Christ my Cornerstone)
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To: rwa265

From somebody who is ex-navy, please shut up.


39 posted on 02/27/2010 9:46:15 AM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: SandRat

The Sequel.


40 posted on 02/27/2010 9:46:53 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: central_va

Were you a submariner?


41 posted on 02/27/2010 9:47:55 AM PST by rwa265 (Christ my Cornerstone)
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To: Raycpa
Spent 24 hours on a trident sub and the Captain said that is why women were not allowed on subs... plus other reasons
42 posted on 02/27/2010 9:48:24 AM PST by Hojczyk
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To: rwa265

I was on a destroyer but spent several weeks on an attack sub.


43 posted on 02/27/2010 9:49:29 AM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: ConservativeStatement
Hey ladies Huba Huba!


44 posted on 02/27/2010 9:50:43 AM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: Raycpa

They should both learn to keep their khakis/dungarees on. Military spouses have been cheating on each other long before this announcement was made.


45 posted on 02/27/2010 9:50:58 AM PST by rabidralph ("Precedenting" is a lot tougher than community organizing.)
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To: rwa265

Where Boomers patrol is one of the most closely guarded military secrets. The whole idea is to not let a possible adversary know where they are patrolling - normally port visits or routine surfacings are a no-no.


46 posted on 02/27/2010 9:51:39 AM PST by Timocrat
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To: FrankR

11. will submarines have PMS alarms?


47 posted on 02/27/2010 9:51:55 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: saganite

I’m thinking that the type of woman that would want to do this is not exactly the man loving type. But women are more fluid than men so I guess anything is possible.


48 posted on 02/27/2010 9:53:35 AM PST by GrannyAnn
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To: Castlebar

I was told by a guy who used to work on a missile boat that during one deployment, they had a guy seriously injure himself while screwing around. We’re talking coma inducing brain injury.

According to the story I heard, the sub stayed on patrol, even though the guy could have died.


49 posted on 02/27/2010 10:00:22 AM PST by stylin_geek (Greed and envy is used by our political class to exploit the rich and poor.)
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To: rwa265
A submarine makes several stops during a deployment

Maybe sub-surface ones.

so I would think that in most cases, they would make arrangements to replace a pregnant women during one of their stops several weeks before her due date.

Wow, you are an idiot! Maybe they could dump everything from a helicopter and 'turn it into a flying gas can' and send it to the sub and hoist the pregnant sailor out just like they sorta did in Hunt for Red October

That's the ticket. Especially since subs don't have anything else to do during their deployments except for liberty port visits. Sure you don't work with Obama, you sure have the insight for it!

50 posted on 02/27/2010 10:00:27 AM PST by xone
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