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America's future could be all Greek to us
Orange County Register ^ | 26 February 2010 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 02/27/2010 7:05:11 PM PST by JLS

While Barack Obama was making his latest pitch for a brand new, even more unsustainable entitlement at the health care "summit," thousands of Greeks took to the streets to riot. An enterprising cable network might have shown the two scenes on a continuous split-screen - because they're part of the same story. It's just that Greece is a little further along in the plot: They're at the point where the canoe is about to plunge over the falls. America is further upstream and can still pull for shore, but has decided, instead, that what it needs to do is catch up with the Greek canoe. Chapter One (the introduction of unsustainable entitlements) leads eventually to Chapter 20 (total societal collapse): The Greeks are at Chapter 17 or 18.

What's happening in the developed world today isn't so very hard to understand: The 20th century Bismarckian welfare state has run out of people to stick it to. In America, the feckless insatiable boobs in Washington, Sacramento, Albany and elsewhere are screwing over our kids and grandkids. In Europe, they've reached the next stage in social democratic evolution: There are no kids or grandkids to screw over. The United States has a fertility rate of around 2.1 – or just over two kids per couple. Greece has a fertility rate of about 1.3: 10 grandparents have six kids have four grandkids – i.e., the family tree is upside down. Demographers call 1.3 "lowest-low" fertility – the point from which no society has ever recovered. And, compared with Spain and Italy, Greece has the least-worst fertility rate in Mediterranean Europe.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: entitlements; greece; marksteyn; unsustainable
Steyn discusses the path Obama wants to take the US down.
1 posted on 02/27/2010 7:05:12 PM PST by JLS
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To: knews_hound

Steyn ping opportunity.


2 posted on 02/27/2010 7:05:41 PM PST by JLS (Democrats: People who wont even let you enjoy an unseasonably warm winter day)
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To: JLS

Bump


3 posted on 02/27/2010 7:17:37 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: JLS

“Think of Greece as California: Every year an irresponsible and corrupt bureaucracy awards itself higher pay and better benefits paid for by an ever-shrinking wealth-generating class. And think of Germany as one of the less-profligate, still-just-about-functioning corners of America such as my own state of New Hampshire: Responsibility doesn’t pay. You’ll wind up bailing out, anyway. The problem is there are never enough of “the rich” to fund the entitlement state, because in the end it disincentivizes everything from wealth creation to self-reliance to the basic survival instinct, as represented by the fertility rate. In Greece, they’ve run out Greeks, so they’ll stick it to the Germans, like French farmers do. In Germany, the Germans have only been able to afford to subsidize French farming because they stick Americans with their defense tab. And, in America, Obama, Pelosi and Reid are saying we need to paddle faster to catch up with the Greeks and Germans. What could go wrong?”

This is one of his best columns.


4 posted on 02/27/2010 7:27:25 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker

Since FreeRepublic was founded in CA, I knew many here would like that reference.


5 posted on 02/27/2010 7:54:44 PM PST by JLS (Democrats: People who wont even let you enjoy an unseasonably warm winter day)
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To: JLS

“Since FreeRepublic was founded in CA, I knew many here would like that reference.”

Lived there for many years myself. Left in 1999 when the downward spiral became obvious.


6 posted on 02/27/2010 8:04:29 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: JLS
In Greece, they've run out Greeks, so they'll stick it to the Germans, like French farmers do. In Germany, the Germans have only been able to afford to subsidize French farming because they stick Americans with their defense tab. And, in America, Obama, Pelosi and Reid are saying we need to paddle faster to catch up with the Greeks and Germans. What could go wrong?

Brutal and accurate. Retirement at 58, paid for by people who retire at 67. Sweet deal. Let's not try it.

7 posted on 02/27/2010 8:19:36 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
Greece-berg, right ahead.
8 posted on 02/27/2010 9:00:01 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: JLS

face down in the ouzo


9 posted on 02/27/2010 9:26:37 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: JLS

We are a self-sustaining community. Government acquisition of our work will result in a push back.


10 posted on 02/27/2010 9:30:02 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress
We are a self-sustaining community. Government acquisition of our work will SHALL result in a push back.
11 posted on 02/27/2010 9:36:35 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Paladin2

Yes I enjoyed the ouzo line too.


12 posted on 02/27/2010 11:05:47 PM PST by JLS (Democrats: People who wont even let you enjoy an unseasonably warm winter day)
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To: JLS; Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...
Ping for a don't miss column.

I'm sending this in email to everyone I know.

Thanks for the ping JLS.



On or off please FReepmail me.

Cheers,

knewshound

knewshounds blog
13 posted on 02/28/2010 7:30:52 AM PST by knews_hound (Credo Quia Absurdium--take nothing seriously unless it is absurd. E. Clampus Vitus)
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To: knews_hound
this is an excellent column by Steyn, one of his best.

we still have time to paddle for shore but the roar of the falls is getting closer...

14 posted on 02/28/2010 8:36:16 AM PST by RobFromGa (The FairTax is to tax policy as Global Warming is to science.)
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To: JLS

“We hard-hearted small-government guys are often damned as selfish types who care nothing for the general welfare. But, as the Greek protests make plain, nothing makes an individual more selfish than the socially equitable communitarianism of big government: Once a chap’s enjoying the fruits of government health care, government-paid vacation, government-funded early retirement, and all the rest, he couldn’t give a hoot about the general societal interest; he’s got his, and to hell with everyone else. People’s sense of entitlement endures long after the entitlement has ceased to make sense.”

And this is why communism works on paper, but not in reality. Socialism as well. Human nature debunks the idea of ‘everyone working for the common good’.


15 posted on 02/28/2010 9:06:54 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: JLS

“Germans, who retire at 67, are now expected to sustain the unsustainable 14 monthly payments per year of Greeks who retire at 58.”

Yeah, this would tick me off too.


16 posted on 02/28/2010 9:17:31 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: ModelBreaker

As usual, Steyn is always dead on the mark. He’s one of the few writers where I always click the link to go to the article. Most others, if it’s not posted in its entirety on FR, I don’t bother to read.


17 posted on 02/28/2010 10:16:52 AM PST by zeugma (Proofread a page a day: http://www.pgdp.net/)
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To: JLS

BTTT


18 posted on 02/28/2010 11:37:04 AM PST by hattend (The era of John McCain is over, the era of Ronald Reagan is back! Go Sarah Go!)
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To: ModelBreaker
Lived there for many years myself. Left in 1999 when the downward spiral became obvious.

Doesn't matter where you live, you'll soon be bailing out California, New York, Illinois, et al.

Mark Steyn makes the case. He's being Paul Revere, here.

19 posted on 02/28/2010 11:41:33 AM PST by hattend (The era of John McCain is over, the era of Ronald Reagan is back! Go Sarah Go!)
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To: JLS

Good comment:


In New York we have a whole group of Greek public sector workers . We call them our congressmen, state and city representatives. One Congressman doesn’t pay taxes , has 4 rent controlled houses and takes luxury vacations paid for by corporations he is supposed to regulate. His excuses are I forgot, didn’t know and no one told me. The good news is Charles Rangel as Chairman of The House Ways and Means is the one who makes the US tax laws

So, if you don’t want to pay on April 15 apparently “ I forgot “ is now acceptable . My congresswoman Caroline Maloney —who walks around in a burkha to protest anti Muslim sentiment, in case it ever happens — was worth 2 million when she got into office she now worth 25 million with no other visible means of support other than her salary.

My city councilman is out on bail for stealing over one million dollars last year from the petty cash drawer –and I’m not kidding ! I could go on…and on

I disagree with Mark on one point , however. The feckless boobs are we : the voters who keep sending these people to Albany , Sacramento and DC. Until we vote out everybody in office now—if only to show we still can— and then petition for constitutional term limits : the clowns win

2/27/2010 1:42 PM PST on OCRegister.com


It’s going to get ugly folks.
Wish I had stockpiled gold.


20 posted on 02/28/2010 11:58:13 AM PST by hattend (The era of John McCain is over, the era of Ronald Reagan is back! Go Sarah Go!)
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To: JLS
This one is a "keeper".

But then isn't everything Steyn writes, as well?

21 posted on 02/28/2010 12:37:28 PM PST by Gritty (Welfare always breeds contempt, in nations as much as inner-city housing projects - Mark Steyn)
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To: JLS
Over 30 percent of German women are childless; among German university graduates, it's over 40 percent.

OMG! What happened to German men?

22 posted on 02/28/2010 1:59:52 PM PST by maica (Freedom consists not in doing what we like,but in having the right to do what we ought. John Paul II)
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To: JLS
Over 30 percent of German women are childless; among German university graduates, it's over 40 percent. And for the ever-dwindling band of young Germans who make it out of the maternity ward there's precious little reason to stick around. Why be the last handsome blond lederhosen-clad Aryan lad working the late shift at the beer garden in order to prop up singlehandedly entire retirement homes? And that's before the EU decides to add the Greeks to your burdens. Germans, who retire at 67, are now expected to sustain the unsustainable 14 monthly payments per year of Greeks who retire at 58.

The future for Europe is bleak. I didn't think I'd live to see Eurabia. Now I'm not so sure. And the transition is going to be very ugly.

23 posted on 03/01/2010 10:52:59 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: hattend

It just makes you sick doesn’t it?


24 posted on 03/01/2010 10:55:36 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: JLS
Think of Greece as California

I often think of it the other way around. With a bit of France tossed in, too.

25 posted on 03/01/2010 8:16:40 PM PST by irv (Live Tea or die!)
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To: maica

Say hello to the wonders of birth control and abortion!


26 posted on 03/03/2010 6:26:01 AM PST by Joan912 (I used to think that the day would never come...)
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