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Jack Cashill: Decrypting Obama's 'Pop'
American Thinker ^
| February 28, 2010
| Jack Cashill
Posted on 02/27/2010 11:20:42 PM PST by neverdem
In 1988, the Center for Labor Education and Research (CLEAR) at the University of Hawaii-West Oahu produced a documentary about the life of Frank Marshall Davis. Best known today as the mentor of the young Barack Obama, Davis had died the year before on the island where he had lived for the previous forty years.
To understand the way the progressive media work, consider this: The documentary makes not one single mention of Davis's undeniable communist affiliations, his pornographic writings, or -- to be sure -- his flirtation with pedophilia. It was as if a producer had made a documentary about Richard Nixon and failed to mention Watergate.
Given the production date, the filmmakers had no reason to explore Davis's relationship with Barack Obama, then an unknown community organizer in Chicago. Obama speaks about that relationship in his 1995 memoir,
Dreams From My Father, but its deeper secrets may well be encrypted in a 1981
poem attributed to Obama called "Pop," arguably the Rosetta Stone of the Obama psyche.
Unfortunately, those keen on breaking the Obama code have gotten little help from the mainstream media. The reviewers of "Pop" have shown no more interest in pursuing and sharing the truth than have the producers of the Davis documentary. As is obvious in both cases, the literati gravitate towards individuals for their rough and radical edges, but they end up refining their personalities for mass consumption like so much Wonder Bread. This is not a novel practice. It has its roots in the early days of the Soviet experiment.
In their pursuit of the larger truth -- pravda -- Soviet leadership scorned any petty factual truth -- istina -- that stood in its way. The man who exported the technique of "lying for the truth" to the West was an unlikely German Communist named Willi Munzenberg. A sort of roughneck publisher, Munzenberg had an instinctive feel for the power of the media and persuaded Lenin to let him apply it.
As author Stephen Koch details in his masterful book Double Lives, Munzenberg pioneered two new lines of secret service work: the propaganda front, controlled covertly from afar, and the "fellow traveler," a friend of the revolution who voiced the dogma du jour as artlessly as if it were his own. The messages being voiced varied over time, but they remained consistent in their intent -- namely, to promote the Soviet experiment usually by defaming the West.
Always the cynic, Munzenberg described the idealists who unwittingly hewed to the party line as "innocents." The fronts to which he guided them he called "Innocents' Clubs."
The marriage of modernism and socialism may have stripped these innocents of almost all traditional faith, but not of the need for the same. Munzenberg filled the void, directing aspiring radicals to any number of causes that offered, as Koch notes, "a substitute for religious belief."
Koch did not then know who Obama was. Double Lives was published in 1994, the same year that Obama recruited Bill Ayers to help him with his memoir. Still, nothing about Obama's rise could have surprised Koch.
Ayers began the packaging with Dreams, a book calculated not to elect a president, but to elect a mayor. "For the first two years [of their acquaintance], I thought, his ambition is so huge that he wants to be mayor of Chicago," Ayers would later tell Salon. As Ayers understood, the left's ideology and information infrastructure had outlived the Soviet collapse. So had its hunger for ersatz religious fulfillment.
Obama -- daringly radical, thrillingly multicultural, and consciously messianic -- could help fill the void. And so months after the book's publication, Ayers helped Obama launch his first political sortie, this for state senate, with a fundraiser chez Ayers.
Dreams' treatment of Frank Marshall Davis testifies to the book's calculation. Ayers and Obama labor to establish just how important a figure Davis was in Obama's life. On nine separate occasions in Dreams, they show Davis instructing Obama in the ways of the black man, thereby helping authenticate him as an African-American.
The Davis connection still mattered in 1995 Chicago. Before leaving for Hawaii in 1948, Davis had been a prominent player in black Chicago life. In addition to his job as executive editor for the Associated Negro Press, he manned the front lines in any number of causes and made useful friends along the barricades, some of them, like Vernon Jarrett, still prominent. Years later, Jarrett would use his influential newspaper column to advance Obama's career. His daughter-in-law Valerie Jarrett would become the Obamas' closest counsel.
In Dreams, Davis is strategically referred to by his real name, "Frank." Other than public figures like Jeremiah Wright and members of the Obama family, no one else is. Ayers and Obama wanted black Chicago to know Obama's pedigree, but they were savvy enough to omit Davis's last name, as well as any reference to his communism. Had they written this book with the presidency in mind, they would likely have eliminated all references to Davis -- and Wright too, for that matter.
Obama has had to depend on the media and the literary establishment to keep "Frank" out of the public debate, and they have largely obliged him. I would doubt if one voter out of a hundred in the Obama "innocents' club" could even identify Davis.
In a similar spirit, the friendly literary critics who have reviewed "Pop" have blinded themselves to the poem's real subject. They prefer the poem to be a reminiscence, and a benign one at that, about Obama's "Gramps," Stanley Dunham. The New Yorker, for instance, unhesitatingly describes the poem as a "loving if slightly jaded portrait of Obama's maternal grandfather." I could find no mainstream publication that even suggests otherwise.
Nor did any of the reviewers ask why Obama would name the poem "Pop" if it were about a man he has always referred to as "Gramps." They breezily duck the implication of paternity and instead reimagine "Pop" as a tribute to their and Obama's shared decency. Writes poet Ian McMillan in the U.K. Guardian, "There's a humanity in the poem, a sense of family values and shared cultural concerns that give us a hint of the Democrat to come."
It was in watching a 1987 interview with Davis that I became convinced that he was indeed "Pop." Davis looks and seems like the man in the poem: the drinking, the smoking, the glasses, the twitches, the roaming eyes, the thick neck and broad back. What is more, the subject of "Pop" does something natural for Davis but not for Dunham: He "recites an old poem."
The first time the reader meets Davis in Dreams, he is referred to as "a poet named Frank." Obama remembers, "[Davis] would read us his poetry whenever we stopped by his house, sharing whiskey with Gramps out of an emptied jelly jar."
A therapist who blogs under the name "Neo Neocon" offers the most insightful reading of the poem that I was able to identify. She is convinced that "Pop" is Davis and finds the following sequence disturbing in the extreme:
Pop takes another shot, neat,
Points out the same amber
Stain on his shorts that I've got on mine, and
Makes me smell his smell, coming
From me ...
Writes the therapist, who chooses to remain anonymous, "[This incident] may be describing outright sexual abuse. But perhaps not; we don't know, and we'll never know. But there is no question that the poem is describing a boundary violation on several levels: this child feels invaded-perhaps even taken over-by this man, and is fighting against that sensation."
The therapist argues that the invasion is mental as well as physical, and the young Obama attempts to resist that too.
... as he grows small,
A spot in my brain, something
That may be squeezed out, like a
Watermelon seed between
Two fingers.
Although I agree with the therapist about the nature of the conflict and even the resistance, I vary in one significant observation: I believe Davis to be the author of the poem. Unlike with Dreams, where the evidence of Ayers' involvement is overwhelming, my suspicion here is more hunch than science.
Still, it is an educated hunch. Nowhere else in his unaided oeuvre, such as it is, does Obama show the language control he does in "Pop." Two years later, in the pages of Columbia's weekly news magazine, Sundial, he would be writing semi-literate clunkers like "The belief that moribund institutions, rather than individuals are at the root of the problem, keep SAM's energies alive."
More telling is Obama's poem "
Underground," which appeared alongside "Pop" in the spring 1981 edition of Occidental College's literary magazine,
Feast.
This silly adolescent ode to "apes that eat figs" in underwater grottoes has none of the style or sophistication of "Pop."
In fact, "Underground" sounds as it were written by another, lesser poet, namely Obama himself. Others have noted the difference. Poet and novelist Warwick Collins, for instance, believes "Pop" to be "by far the more powerful and complex" of the two poems, and his is the consensus opinion.
One of my correspondents who has done yeoman's work on the Ayers-Obama connection has long believed Davis to be the subject of "Pop." His preliminary textual analysis, admittedly not conclusive, leads him to believe that Davis is the author of "Pop" as well. Working with only one poem as base, however, makes comparison with other Davis work difficult, especially since Davis experimented with a range of free verse styles.
Like so much contemporary poetry, "Pop" is sufficiently obscure in meaning that one does not so much review the poem as decrypt it. All such efforts, of course, are subjective, including the one that follows.
I see "Pop" as a self-reflection by Davis. Distressed to be losing the young Obama to the lures of the mainland, he writes a poem about the young Obama as seen through Obama's eyes. I would not be surprised if he gave the poem to him as a parting gift.
In the poem, "Pop" wonders about this "green young man" and worries how he will fare amidst the "flim and flam of the world." In his other works, Davis occasionally uses "green" to mean "untested" as it means in "Pop." In Dreams, by contrast, "green" is used only in the literal sense.
Davis, now in his mid-70s, knows his hold on Obama is tenuous. He fears that the young man will forget everything he told him about being black and that the "spot" he left in Obama's brain "may be squeezed out, like a Watermelon seed."
The choice of the word "watermelon" strikes me as too knowing to have come from the young Obama. Davis sees himself as he thinks Obama must -- aging, unattractive, twitchy, oily, smelly, an old-school "watermelon" man, a walking stereotype.
The poem is much more poignant if one imagines that Davis wrote it. Whether he is writing about a young friend, a son, a sexual initiate, or some combination of the three will likely never be known. If Davis named the poem "Pop" for his own literal fatherhood, it is quite possible that Obama himself never knew.
The progressive media do not care to know. And in their world, there is no greater offense than to seek to know something they have chosen not to. Ask Joe McCarthy or Whittaker Chambers or Gary Aldrich or the AGW "denialists" or the Swiftboaters or the CIA interrogators or even poor Linda Tripp. Ask the "birthers."
The literary faithful who have reviewed "Pop" prefer to see in it the seeds of the literary genius that would seemingly blossom in Obama's 1995 memoir, Dreams From My Father. I see in it signs that Obama, even as an adolescent, was willing to take full credit for something he could not himself write.
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KEYWORDS: blackhomosexuality; blackhomosexuals; cashill; certifigate; frankmarshalldavis; homosexuality; jackcashill; lgbt; obama; obamafamily; onthedownlow; pop
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posted on
02/27/2010 11:20:42 PM PST
by
neverdem
To: neverdem
Yep. I bet Davis wrote it. “Another shot, neat” Not a kid’s words.
parsy, who says the two poems are different authors, or somebody had a really good day, once
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posted on
02/27/2010 11:31:34 PM PST
by
parsifal
(Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
To: neverdem
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posted on
02/27/2010 11:42:32 PM PST
by
2ndDivisionVet
(I will raise $2 million for Sarah Palin & it won't be from Gaza, Kosovo or Nigeria!!)
To: neverdem; parsifal
Jack BUMP!
This is, as usual with Cashill, an excellent analysis.
I agree with him, and what's more, I agree with parsy.
Another shot, neat Not a kids words.
I was probably in my 30s before I knew what "neat" meant with regard to a drink.
To: Lancey Howard
And this is nothing but sheer speculation, but I durn sure think there is a real strong possibility that Frank is his dad. That wouldn't reflect on Obama. Ain't his fault if he is. We all gotta get here somehow.
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posted on
02/28/2010 12:04:53 AM PST
by
parsifal
(Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
To: parsifal
Parsey,that’s an interesting pin on BO’s collar in the pix, any idea what it is?
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posted on
02/28/2010 12:17:56 AM PST
by
iopscusa
(El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
To: Lancey Howard
Dang, I’m in my 40’s and I don’t know what it means...
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posted on
02/28/2010 12:32:45 AM PST
by
DB
To: DB
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posted on
02/28/2010 12:34:59 AM PST
by
onyx
(BE A MONTHLY DONOR - I AM)
To: DB
Okay, before I Google it I am going to put forward my guess: I believe it means, “without ice”.
Okay, back in a sec...
To: parsifal
I saw that. Don’t know. It looks photo shopped like the head and the cigarette. It could be Stormfront types did it? Maybe the “z” is Zionist or something?????
parsy, who just found it on google of Frank Davis photos or something like that
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posted on
02/28/2010 12:39:28 AM PST
by
parsifal
(Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
To: onyx; Lancey Howard
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posted on
02/28/2010 12:41:44 AM PST
by
DB
To: parsifal
Damn!
It’s bad enough that you talk to youself on every post, but now you’re posting to yourself and referring to yourself in the third person at the same time.
If you really think there are three of you there, maybe the meds need review. Take all of yourselves to your respective doctors and get some check-ups.
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posted on
02/28/2010 12:46:34 AM PST
by
shibumi
("..... then we will fight in the shade.")
To: DB
Here is the definition of "neat", per Webster's New World College Dictionary:
"neat": unmixed with anything; undiluted; straight: said esp. of liquor drunk without a mixer or chaser
Hmm..
I think most people for the past 30 years or so (I'm in my 50s) have mostly used the word "straight" to describe a drink with nothing added. I'm guessing "neat" was the common way to say "straight" back in the 40s and 50s - - you know, during Frank Davis's heyday.
To: Lancey Howard
Not that it sheds any light on things, but “neat” is a particularly European (mostly Brittish Isles) term that has been co-opted by Americans to make them sound more sophisticated.
My father, who, if he were alive would be 107 emigrated from Scotland, and was the only one of his group of buddies to use the term. All the other men in his age group said “straight.”
I think The Usurper’s use of the word is just faux-culture.
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posted on
02/28/2010 1:12:42 AM PST
by
shibumi
("..... then we will fight in the shade.")
To: shibumi
I think The Usurpers use of the word is just faux-culture.I agree with Jack Cashill that they were not the usurper's words at all.
To: Lancey Howard
I worked as a waiter in the 70’s and clients ordered drinks “neat” all the time. I believe Davis is Obama’s daddy. Davis, in one of his porn books, describes him and his wife having a sexual relation ship with the young daughter of a friend. There is supposedly a naked picture of Ann Dunham (the picture sure looks like Ann) taken by Davis on the Internet, the young women has a wedding ring on. Ann Dunham was a flake and may well have named Davis as daddy on the birth certificate. I think pops was about when Davis told Obama who his daddy was...Obama has created an alternate life for himself as expressed in Dreams and his speech's and the c*rp about the Kennedy airlift, Selma etc. I think Obama was born in Hawaii and I wonder if there are any Davis's listed around the time he says he was born?
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posted on
02/28/2010 1:29:24 AM PST
by
carcraft
(Pray for our Country)
To: shibumi
“Group rate” applies.
;-D
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posted on
02/28/2010 1:30:08 AM PST
by
Salamander
(....and I'm sure I need some rest but sleepin' don't come very easy in a straight white vest.......)
To: Lancey Howard
Jack, “The Obama Code” is a brilliant name for a novel. Please write it!
To: Lancey Howard
I do not disagree with that. Cashill was right on target with “Dreams.” But even he says that his theory here is more of a hunch.
I would be inclined to believe that hunch for another reason.
In my own “hunch-analysis” of The Usurper (I will NOT speak or write its name) I have come to believe that he is consummately lazy. I believe that the reason that there are no writings from his college days, or law school is that they simply do not exist, or if they do, are blatantly plagiarized.
Either way, the influence from Davis was both perverse and formative. With the types of psychos from whence it sprang, it’s easy to see how this monster became what it is.
Mark 5:9, “My name is Legion, for we are many.”
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posted on
02/28/2010 1:35:09 AM PST
by
shibumi
("..... then we will fight in the shade.")
To: neverdem
I've thought that Frank Marshall Davis was the "messiah's" dad. That may be another reason for the "messiah" to hide his birth certificate -- because of bastardy (that wouldn't keep him from being President though. Remember Grover Cleveland?).
I discussed Frank Marshall Davis with Conservative talkradio pioneer, Avi Nelson: Discussing the inauguration with Avi Nelson
What also makes me think that Frank Marshall Davis is the father is those pictures he took of the "messiah's" naughty mother, Stanley: Caution, not work or family friendly
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posted on
02/28/2010 1:58:51 AM PST
by
Stepan12
(Palin & Bolton in 2012)
To: shibumi
Some people jump me if I don’t.
parsy
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posted on
02/28/2010 1:59:29 AM PST
by
parsifal
(Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
To: iopscusa
Maybe it means bringing Jews to an end as the star is the Star of David and a Z could represent the end of something as it is the last letter in the alphabet representing the end as the last letter omega in the Greek represents the end. Just a guess. If he is wearing it I doubt it is good.
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posted on
02/28/2010 2:18:02 AM PST
by
Bellflower
(If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
To: DB
Dang, Im in my 40s and I dont know what it means...Heck, I'm not going to say how old I was before I knew what the word "neat" meant in this context, but it was just in the last couple of years. I don't know anyone who uses it.
To: BP2; Fred Nerks; Red Steel; Danae; butterdezillion; El Gato; Diogenesis; RaceBannon; Velveeta; ...
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posted on
02/28/2010 4:55:41 AM PST
by
STARWISE
(They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
To: parsifal; iopscusa
Very interesting! First, where does the pic of Obama with the Z-star of david come from? Did he actually wear it and when?
Here's something I found online:
A Jewish child wears the compulsory Star of David badge with the letter
"Z" for Zidov, the Croatian word for Jew. Yugoslavia, probably 1941.

www.ushmm.org
That was after the Nazi army invaded Yugoslavia and the Croatians joined the Nazi side and followed its policies.
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posted on
02/28/2010 5:09:28 AM PST
by
drpix
To: parsifal
Yep. I bet Davis wrote it. Another shot, neat Not a kids words.
That's what I thought. Also, in Dreams, that description of "sharing whiskey with Gramps out of an emptied jelly jar" always seemed to me to be more weirdly calculating rather than merely descriptive.
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posted on
02/28/2010 5:11:16 AM PST
by
aruanan
To: neverdem
Check out the Davis documentary and focus on his speeach patterns - his cadences and pauses. You’ll recognize it as the speech pattern of some familiar public figure of current note.
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posted on
02/28/2010 5:15:02 AM PST
by
Paine in the Neck
(Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem)
To: neverdem
the left's ideology and information infrastructure had outlived the Soviet collapse. So had its hunger for ersatz religious fulfillmentThe left excoriates Christianity so they can supplant it with their own ideology (albeit with an earthly utopia).
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posted on
02/28/2010 5:16:52 AM PST
by
P.O.E.
(Giant Gila Monster)
To: drpix
I was just googling “Frank Davis photos” and it was in the first group. Who in the world thinks he Jewish?
Parsy, who must have been sleeping
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posted on
02/28/2010 5:18:38 AM PST
by
parsifal
(Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
To: parsifal
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posted on
02/28/2010 5:20:44 AM PST
by
drpix
To: aruanan
Was his grandpa a redneck? That’s a Southern thing.Isn’t it.
parsy, who has
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posted on
02/28/2010 5:23:34 AM PST
by
parsifal
(Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
To: drpix
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posted on
02/28/2010 5:25:35 AM PST
by
parsifal
(Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
To: neverdem
Jack is the most under rated investigative journalist in America.
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posted on
02/28/2010 5:36:17 AM PST
by
bmwcyle
(Free the Navy Seals)
To: theKid51; Apple Blossom; BabyBMW
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posted on
02/28/2010 5:37:09 AM PST
by
bmwcyle
(Free the Navy Seals)
To: parsifal
Was his grandpa a redneck? Thats a Southern thing.Isnt it.
I don't think his grandpa was a redneck. But it was at FMD's house that they shared both the whiskey and the "emptied jelly jar." "emptied" as though anyone would be pouring whiskey into a jar that still contained jelly. Also, "empty" would have been the better word.
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posted on
02/28/2010 5:39:17 AM PST
by
aruanan
To: carcraft
I tend to go with this scenario too—
That Obama is NOT Obama SR progeny but Davis progeny —and his birth cert and docs record THAT-—however I tend to also believe that Obama may well have lost his US citizenship when Lolo Soetoro adopted him, then exploited this for funds/entry to Occidental as a foreign student-—and never got around to re-establishing US citizenship ( from what I understand Indonesia did not allow dual..it all Indonesia or none.)
So perhaps he moved through his life with a bunch of conjured up paperwork, not the genuine article—perhaps why there appears to be some SS# fraud or questions as well.
To: Stepan12
Post 20
McAfee also doen’t like your picture site.
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posted on
02/28/2010 5:53:09 AM PST
by
Peter Horry
(Those who aren't responsible always know best.)
To: afraidfortherepublic
I am older than dirt and in my time I used the term “neat” many many times and heard it used many many times. I never heard it used in regard to a drink (can understand it could be ) We used it to describe something or someone the same as the term “cool”/”kewl” is used today.
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posted on
02/28/2010 6:06:01 AM PST
by
depenzz
(Children follow examples, not advise.)
To: shibumi
Post 19
Another thing that has struck me about Obama, he has had the “wind at his back” for what little of his life we know about.
I don’t think his currently accepted parents would account for that. That means, at least to me, that a lot of people KNOW who his parents are and at least one isn’t as claimed.
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posted on
02/28/2010 6:06:04 AM PST
by
Peter Horry
(Those who aren't responsible always know best.)
To: neverdem
To: afraidfortherepublic
I’m well into my fifty’s and have always used the term “neat” when ordering scotch.
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posted on
02/28/2010 6:22:45 AM PST
by
MilspecRob
(Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
To: Lancey Howard
Yup. Not to date myself, but when I was very very young & yet precocious enough to notice such things, the grown ups asked for their scotch “neat” meaning straight up, no ice, no soda.
To: shibumi
I have come to believe that he is consummately lazy. I believe that the reason that there are no writings from his college days, or law school is that they simply do not exist, or if they do, are blatantly plagiarized. My hunch-analysis agrees with yours. Basically, Obama is a B.S.'er from way back. Because of his literal pedigree, he has been fostered and coddled throughout his career. He does not like to get his hands dirty. He likes to go before the troops, offer some touch-feeely words and then go to lunch.
He has a team of enablers around him now. Yet, he will fail at leadership. When opposing factions within this group force Obama to make a tough decision - he will choose wrongly or weakly. And tomorrow, another tough decision will have to be made - he will choose wrongly or weakly.
We will see the coddled one fail in the area of strategic decision making; eg. Choosing gov-ment run health care over jobs creation.
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posted on
02/28/2010 6:23:44 AM PST
by
VRW Conspirator
(Liberal vs. Conservative = The vision of man versus the nature of man.)
To: parsifal
From Kansas. Just like Davis & Paul Robeson. Incredible coincidence they ended up in Hawaii right after it became a state & was of huge interest to the communists b/c of it’s location.
To: carcraft
It is worth Googling “Ann Duham” and hitting the Image option. There are two nude pictures. There is also a picture of Ann Dunham at the wedding of BO and Michelle. She had gained a lot of weight - looks like a 300 pounder.
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posted on
02/28/2010 6:27:01 AM PST
by
Malesherbes
(Sauve qui peut)
To: neverdem
Regardless of who Obama’s actual father might have been, it is clear that Barry was steeped in radical socialism and communism from a very early age. By his own admission he spent 20 years listening to Rev. Wright’s hate filled America bashing and Marxist socialism. While the MSM looked the other way, talk radio and alternative media constantly pointed this out during the campaign, but the American people were hoodwinked and elected Obama. Now they are seeing who Obama really is and thankfully are rejecting him.
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posted on
02/28/2010 6:30:17 AM PST
by
The Great RJ
("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
To: neverdem
To: parsifal
I read this poem for the first time over a month ago and thought for sure it was a hoax - the implications seemed so obvious to me.
If Obama had a “good day” - maybe it’s due to an unusual moment of honesty and revelation about something that transformed him?
To: neverdem
Did they mention his 601 page FBI file tracing his life long Communist connections?
To: neverdem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBGBszZ2Qw0 http://www.wor710.com/pages/6350883 http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/02/13/marxist-obama-why-the-media-has-been-silent/ The full interview is devastating.
Too bad Fox News ignored Dr Drew in 2008 when he contacted them.
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