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Disappointing Leon ("transformation has occurred" for a "lifelong" Jewish Democrat)
American Thinker ^ | February 28, 2010 | Candice Paul

Posted on 02/28/2010 2:00:02 AM PST by Brugmansian

I am going to disappoint Leon Wieseltier. The famous liberal wrote this week, "A day does not go by when I do not do my humble part to prevent such a transformation [of American Jewry from liberals to conservatives] from coming to pass."

Well, Leon, you let one get by.

My transformation has occurred. It began with 9/11 and progressed along bumpily until the Obama, Pelosi, Reid express train came roaring down the track . . .

For years I had been looking around and asking, "What the heck has happened to the Democratic Party that I grew up in?" My Democratic Party loved America, believed in the Constitution, free market values, and independent thought and actions. When did it turn into the Party of "group think" and intolerance, of programmed talking points and mean spirited, vitriolic spokespersons such as Wanda Sykes and Janeane Garofalo? . . .

Now, all of this transformation has not followed a smooth and flowing path . . . How could I, a child of the sixties, a lifelong Democrat and a Jew be listening to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck?! I guess that part of the answer to that question could come from the fact that the current Democratic President of the United States came to his epiphany listening to Reverend Wright . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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1 posted on 02/28/2010 2:00:02 AM PST by Brugmansian
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To: Brugmansian

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2 posted on 02/28/2010 2:05:09 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (Most university "science" amounts to squandering tax dollars in unoriginal ways.)
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3 posted on 02/28/2010 2:05:23 AM PST by narses ("lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi")
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To: Brugmansian
For years I had been looking around and asking, "What the heck has happened to the Democratic Party that I grew up in?" My Democratic Party loved America, believed in the Constitution, free market values, and independent thought and actions.

No the Democratic Party has actually been rotten for the last 40 years at least. My mother made the switch over from Democratic to Republican in 1968 when she couldn't vote for Humphrey. She said at the time that the Democratic Party had changed for her.
4 posted on 02/28/2010 2:10:04 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
"How could I, a child of the sixties, a lifelong Democrat and a Jew be listening to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck?!"

Ping )))))

5 posted on 02/28/2010 2:19:02 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: truthguy
No the Democratic Party has actually been rotten for the last 40 years at least.

More like since about the time of Thomas Jefferson...

6 posted on 02/28/2010 2:27:00 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946

More like since about the time of Thomas Jefferson...
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Accurate ,, but for most of our lifetimes at least the rats had some respect and love for America , our founding principles and the Constitution ,, JFK would be a “hard right republican” today, Carter was stupid but not hostile to freedom and Clinton pulled back from socialism early in his first term. I for one are continually perplexed by the “jewish vote” ,, maybe Husseins attempt to destroy Israel will bring some over to our thinking..


7 posted on 02/28/2010 2:57:12 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: narses; PhiKapMom
I am going to disappoint Leon Wieseltier. The famous liberal wrote this week, "A day does not go by when I do not do my humble part to prevent such a transformation [of American Jewry from liberals to conservatives] from coming to pass."

Cat Fight!

Leon Wieseltier Calls Andrew Sullivan an Anti-Semite, Again and Again, Again

The New Republic writer, in a 4,200-word screed against his former friend and TNR boss, calls Sullivan a "dishonest" Jew-baiter with a "cheap" tone who has been "deranged" by neocons, whose thinking is "repugnant" and who is either "a bigot" or "just moronically insensitive." (Either way, his mind is apparently "bankrupt.") Sullivan, who is busy composing a response, notes: . . . continued here

The liberal cat fight is a few weeks old. Wieseltier started it with this article on Feb 8th:

Something Much Darker:Andrew Sullivan has a serious problem

But there are updates at google news

Another year of Obama and liberals will be putting each other in re-education camps.

8 posted on 02/28/2010 2:57:57 AM PST by Brugmansian
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To: Neidermeyer

I for one are continually perplexed by the “jewish vote” ,, maybe Husseins attempt to destroy Israel will bring some over to our thinking..

No, they will wake up when they smell the stench, of burning flesh, coming from the ovens. By then it may be too late.


9 posted on 02/28/2010 3:30:25 AM PST by chainsaw ( 'You know that your landing gear is up and locked when it takes full power to taxi to the terminal)
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To: Brugmansian
"...current Democratic President of the United States came to his epiphany listening to Reverend Wright . . ."

If Juan McAmnesty discussed this relationship at every campaigns top or the lapdog media had reported MAO-bama's marxist/racist inspiration of 20+ years, the election would have been different.

But the marxist media and Juan were working for the rats.

10 posted on 02/28/2010 3:36:59 AM PST by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: Brugmansian
"A day does not go by when I do not do my humble part to prevent such a transformation [of American Jewry from liberals to conservatives] from coming to pass."

Jews and Evangelicals enjoy a wonderful alliance, one rooted in God, and His plans. What I have found over the years is that for many Jews, this is the equation they cemented have in their minds:

REPUBLICANS = EVANGELICALS + ANTI-SEMITES

Contrary to the writings of some some reporters and some Jews, Evangelical Christians do not solely support Israel because they are trying to hasten the Apocalypse, or hasten Christ's return. They believe that the prophesies in Isaiah, Daniel, and the Book of Revelation will happen, but there isn't anything they can do about it.

Still, the bond is strong between Jews and Christians in Israel (especially when weighed against the evil of Islam).

Christians who love God love the Jewish people people because God loves them. They are the "apple of His eye (Psalm 17)." To love the Jewish people and Israel is a direct manifestation of God's grace.

In political terms, what has happened is that many secular Jews (and nonsecular ones) have been taught to believe that Republicans are more than their "political" enemies, but theological, historical, and spiritual ones as well.

The conflict of the unbelieving Jews with that of Christ as Messiah is addressed in Romans 11.

It is historically correct and accurate that people, who either were Christians or said they were, brutalized the Jewish people. This is a huge factor to many Jews, who equate Christianity as a historic enemy. It is also true that many Jews equally hate (or display hatred of) Christianity.

This kind of manifestation of hatred is very small, however, and should not be compared to tragedies like the persecution of Jews throughout history, or the holocaust itself. Such comparisons are themselves vile, and trivialize the suffering of the Jewish people.

A very interesting, and tragic, topic is why so many Jews throughout history (and even today) were and are prominent Communists.


11 posted on 02/28/2010 3:37:51 AM PST by SkyPilot
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Related thread from today:

Islamic preacher who called Jews ‘filth’ to speak at London university

I believe the hatred of the Jewish people is primarily Satanic in nature. Lucifer believe he may be able to thwart God's plans by destroying Israel and the Jews.

Satan is wrong, but he won't give up trying. To view the hatred of the Jews in the world (as an outside observer) strikes one with incredible irrationality. You would have to ask "Why so much hatred from a people who have given the world so many gifts in science, medicine, and the arts?" All they seem to be asking for is a measly little strip on land in the Middle East?

That is because Satan hates them with a passion we cannot even imagine. Those whose minds are weak and have no interest in God (the real one) are easily consumed with evil hatred motivated by evil towards destroying the Jews.

12 posted on 02/28/2010 3:47:57 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: wendy1946
More like since about the time of Thomas Jefferson...

Personally, I think that our turn hard left started with Woodrow Wilson. He was closely aligned with the American version of the Fabian Socialist society (co-founded by George Bernard Shaw in England) and appointed many of its members to prominent positions in his administration.

13 posted on 02/28/2010 3:52:00 AM PST by Texas Jack (No, I'm the Tea Party leader)
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To: SkyPilot

Good post


14 posted on 02/28/2010 3:53:51 AM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: Brugmansian

She makes an excellent point about Obama:

Ya know how the Dems dismiss anyone who “listens to Rush Limbaugh”? Or Glenn Beck. Or FOX.

Someone should respond:
“Obama listened to Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers for 20 years. Do you think they informed HIS political thinking?!”.


15 posted on 02/28/2010 3:57:57 AM PST by Timeout (Brits have the royals. Russia, the Nomenklatura. WE have our Privileged "Public Servant" class.)
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To: SkyPilot

There are quite a few Jewish apostles of capitalism. You can post their photos. Von Mises, Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand, Friedrich von Hayek (some Jewish ancestry) .....

Many in the Austrian School seems to be Jewish or part Jewish...


16 posted on 02/28/2010 4:00:28 AM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: Neidermeyer

“I for one are continually perplexed by the “jewish vote” ,, maybe Husseins attempt to destroy Israel will bring some over to our thinking..”

Nope. Most of those people who call themselves “Jews” but have the values of liberals will only see the light when it’s too late.

To understand them, you have to look back to pre-Nazi Germany. There, for a couple of hundred years, you had “Germans of the Mosaic persuasion”, which is how the liberal Jews referred to themselves. When Hitler came along, they all believed he was referring to the “other” Jews (the religious ones with their “strange” behavior. Perhaps they woke up when they were walking into the camps, but I wouldn’t even bet on that.


17 posted on 02/28/2010 4:28:06 AM PST by avoth
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To: Brugmansian

Thanks for posting.

I agree with the author. The Democrats today are nothing like those of past generations.

Just watch this November...when the “Reagan Democrats” make their voices heard. They’ve had enough of the current crowd.


18 posted on 02/28/2010 4:30:52 AM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: SkyPilot

The endless promotion of historical grievences helps keep liberals from straying. We see it employed against other groups which vote liberal too. The constant reiteration of what someone did 100 years ago or 500 years ago is used to radicalize people today against those who don’t have the slightest intention of harming anyone.


19 posted on 02/28/2010 4:31:04 AM PST by Brugmansian
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To: Brugmansian

How any Jew could ever be a Democrat is beyond my ability to grasp.

All Jews need to go back and look at WWII to see what happens to liberals, and take it as a warning.


20 posted on 02/28/2010 5:11:37 AM PST by fuzzybutt
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To: Daisyjane69

“Just watch this November...when the “Reagan Democrats” make their voices heard. They’ve had enough of the current crowd.”

It’s a long time until November and anything can happen.

Watch those “brilliant” independents. They’ll prove their “brilliance” once again by voting for “brilliant”, intelligent, “intellectual” Democrats, thereby saving the country. (once again)

IMHO


21 posted on 02/28/2010 5:11:40 AM PST by ripley
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To: ripley

no no no... I think you’re wrong. Because this bunch never learns. They are going to go for the “downs.”

health care
card check
amnesty

The whole nine yards.


22 posted on 02/28/2010 5:19:36 AM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Brugmansian; All

There are plenty of us ex-Democrats (Jewish and otherwise) who are now conservative. :) We should all write a chapter for a book...


23 posted on 02/28/2010 5:28:10 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: SkyPilot

SkyPilot,

I have a great booklet written by Richard Wurmbrand (”Tortured for Christ”) called “Karl Marx & Satan.”

I found the whole thing online and saved it.

If you’d like a copy, send me a private e-mail and I send it to you.

Beth


24 posted on 02/28/2010 5:33:22 AM PST by bethtopaz (www.rapturealert.com)
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To: Brugmansian

Welcome home Candice, welcome home.


25 posted on 02/28/2010 5:34:58 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: truthguy

Yes, my parents made the switch sometime in the sixties too. My Dad, a small business owner sat me down in 1976 and gave me the talk.

He said:
“I was a lifelong Democrat until I saw what the Government was doing with all my hard earned money, I switched to the Republican Party and never looked back. I trust you will consider the same thing when you vote for the first time.”

I registered as a Republican....and never looked back.


26 posted on 02/28/2010 5:42:45 AM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (Markets and Marxists Don't Mix! Audit the FED NOW!)
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To: Brugmansian

From the article: “It began with 9/11 and progressed along bumpily until the Obama, Pelosi, Reid express train came roaring down the track. Putting the final nail in the coffin, so to speak, is our current foreign policy that abandons Israel, leaving it alone amidst a sea of savages and enablers that daily howl for its very destruction.”

I feel bad for Leon Weiseltier. He wrote probably the best piece I read after 9/11, eloquent and moving. TNR, at least at that time, had no way to email or archive their articles, but if anybody could find it it would be well worth your time to read.

Maybe Mr. Weiseltier should re-read his own writing.

I suppose he’s one of those foolish Jews who thinks Republicans will try to force him to convert to Christianity.

Obama is certainly a new low and may do a great deal to drive out the very few remaining Dem moderates from the party.


27 posted on 02/28/2010 5:49:28 AM PST by jocon307 (It's the spending, stupid.)
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To: Brugmansian
My wife is Jewish and a conservative. I am Irish-Catholic and a conservative. The rest of our family, sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces and nephews, grandmothers and grandfathers, OUR FOUR KIDS, ARE ALL LIBERAL OBAMA-LOVERS! . . .I forgot to add THE CAT to that list because he just lays around all day and expects us to coddle him and keep him fed. My question is:

HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?

28 posted on 02/28/2010 6:13:54 AM PST by McBuff
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To: McBuff

Did you send your kids to a public school?


29 posted on 02/28/2010 6:36:48 AM PST by Stosh
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To: Brugmansian

bump


30 posted on 02/28/2010 6:45:44 AM PST by Christian4Bush (Mike/Chris Wallace: Did you give in? Palin: "HELL NO!" 247 days til the midterms.)
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To: Brugmansian

bttt


31 posted on 02/28/2010 6:49:03 AM PST by comps4spice
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To: Brugmansian

Nice to see one person waking up. That is why it is so important that we never retreat into political strategy over the substance of our message which is a good one that is founded in the values and principles that built this strong nation. We can not and should not adopt social and fiscal liberalism to win others to our-side because if that is our tactic who is being won over? If we have faith in the truth of our message and our beliefs we should be happy to debate them and express them because they are superior.

The reason leftist radio doesn’t succeed is a prime example of why the message of the left is bankrupt. No one with any self respect wants to hear of adopt a message steeped in weakness, bitterness, and helplessness. They also don’t want to find themselves praising the efficacy of a federal government which has repeatedly proved itself incompetent, spend happy, and detached from reality. People may be naive but they are not stupid and that is why the debate is important. Once we refuse to debate we lose. The Democrats are losing for exactly that reason. They defend their ideas as if they are self evident when they most clearly are not.

This President Obama which Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will have down more damage to his party than even Bill Clinton and Hillary in 1994. What Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are driving is an ideological shift. They though incorrectly that Obama had down that with the election which was foolish. To the layman he didn’t campaign as a liberal, he campaigned as tax cutter, getting out of the war, and reform. No only has he not undone the excesses of the Bush Presidency he has double down on many of them and sent spending and government growth into the stratosphere.

We will see a lot more ideological conversions. The best thing to happen along with this is the Tea Party movement because it is driving independents to a place where they can be conservative. It is the big danger because where Obama and liberal excess is the impetus the Tea Party is the foundation of a lifelong identification with the founding principles of this nation which so many apolitical types have lacked.


32 posted on 02/28/2010 7:18:54 AM PST by Maelstorm (We are umbilicaled to a parasitic beast that feeds off one man so to enslave another to dependency.)
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To: Brugmansian

Good news, though one cannot help but wonder why someone who is opposed to abandoning Israel to savages wanted to do the same to South Vietnam in the Sixties. The two countries were very much in the same boat.


33 posted on 02/28/2010 7:22:14 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (LaYehudim haytah 'orah vesimchah; vesason viyqar.)
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To: Texas Jack
Personally, I think that our turn hard left started with Woodrow Wilson. He was closely aligned with the American version of the Fabian Socialist society (co-founded by George Bernard Shaw in England) and appointed many of its members to prominent positions in his administration.

What about the Populist movement and the nomination of William Jennings Bryan in 1896, 1900, and 1908?

34 posted on 02/28/2010 7:26:14 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (LaYehudim haytah 'orah vesimchah; vesason viyqar.)
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To: Brugmansian

A smooth transition from a culture of victims to Marxist screed camp folower, a rough contentious transition to being an American.


35 posted on 02/28/2010 7:59:14 AM PST by junta (S.C.U.M. = State Controlled Unreliable Media)
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To: chainsaw
No, they will wake up when they smell the stench, of burning flesh, coming from the ovens.

More likely the smoldering radioactive debris of what once was Jerusalem, courtesy of their moslem hero Barack Obama and his Persian friends.

36 posted on 02/28/2010 10:19:20 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Brugmansian
A day does not go by when I do not do my humble part to prevent such a transformation [of American Jewry from liberals to conservatives] from coming to pass."

I don't see much danger of that period....maybe an epic cataclysm...probably not even then.

What we think is largely due to what we are and where we come from...I know PC folks hate that notion but I've lived long enough to see it over and over....I can usually tell on this forum who I'm dealing with on many issues just by their tone and stance.

I wish I had that Herzberg quote handy..."Jews are by innate tradition expected to question assumptions in the culture they always inhabit as a minority"

if true that makes conservatism unlikely ever..

though some...lol...ignore all that and follow empirical observation, logic and the God who created them..and I thank them for it

37 posted on 02/28/2010 10:28:30 AM PST by wardaddy (I'm waiting for Epic Beard Man the movie.)
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To: SkyPilot

I don’t support Israel because I’m a Christian and although I like Hagee’s social conservatism, he’s off the reservation at times.

supporting Israel just due to Christian dogma sounds condescending to Jews

you needn’t be a Christian to know Israel is the good guy and that their culture is more like ours (or like our’s used to be..the ideal)


38 posted on 02/28/2010 10:31:47 AM PST by wardaddy (I'm waiting for Epic Beard Man the movie.)
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To: wardaddy
I wish I had that Herzberg quote handy..."Jews are by innate tradition expected to question assumptions in the culture they always inhabit as a minority"

Maybe more will become conservative then. The assumptions of the majority--from popular culture and entertainment to education and politics--coincide with their general views.

39 posted on 02/28/2010 10:34:17 AM PST by Brugmansian
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To: Stosh

BINGO. . .but what about the cat?


40 posted on 02/28/2010 10:49:32 AM PST by McBuff
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To: Brugmansian
"When did it turn into the Party of "group think" and intolerance, of programmed talking points and mean spirited, vitriolic spokespersons such as Wanda Sykes and Janeane Garofalo?"

Good question. I can tell you exactly when it happened: Under Bill Clinton after the Monica Lewinsky affaire blew open (pardon the puns). The media and Democrat Party completed its turn toward totalitarianism with total GroupThink, DoubleSpeak and DoubleThink. With James Carville, the Forehead, Lanny Davis and the rest of the talking heads gang, the Democrats turned their backs on decency, honesty and other traditional values. It became 'do anything to win', because the Republicans and conservatives were so evil.

41 posted on 02/28/2010 11:01:54 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: wardaddy
I wish I had that Herzberg quote handy..."Jews are by innate tradition expected to question assumptions in the culture they always inhabit as a minority"

Yes, because the surrounding culture is assumed to be based on false religions. The ironic thing is that today many Jews critique the very things about their host cultures that are ultimately derived from Judaism and instead engage in stuff like "bringing down the moon," earth worship, and other kinds of `avodah zarah.

Don't you think "conservatism" is required to preserve Jewish Tradition for over 3300 years?

42 posted on 02/28/2010 12:43:27 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (LaYehudim haytah 'orah vesimchah; vesason viyqar.)
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To: wardaddy
supporting Israel just due to Christian dogma sounds condescending to Jews

How about supporting Israel for the sake of the Jewish G-d? I'll take that over "democracy" and "western civilization" any day.

43 posted on 02/28/2010 12:45:09 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (LaYehudim haytah 'orah vesimchah; vesason viyqar.)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

They worship a faux FDR .

His policies prolongued the 1st great depression by at least 12 years... They never allow discussion the truth.


44 posted on 02/28/2010 4:12:14 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: Brugmansian
you have a point....progressivism is now the “established order”

but the concept of tikkun olam often lends itself to social progressivsim but I can't say how many Jews follow that

can you enlighten me?

45 posted on 02/28/2010 6:05:21 PM PST by wardaddy (I'm waiting for Epic Beard Man the movie.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I think Jews relish being exclusive outsiders.

When they own their own world like in Israel...for a super smart peoples....they govern confused.


46 posted on 02/28/2010 6:06:55 PM PST by wardaddy (I'm waiting for Epic Beard Man the movie.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I support Israel because I like Jews more than their enemies.

I’m a man of simple balance.


47 posted on 02/28/2010 6:08:23 PM PST by wardaddy (I'm waiting for Epic Beard Man the movie.)
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To: wardaddy
I support Israel because I like Jews more than their enemies.

I’m a man of simple balance.

And I'm a Theonomic positivist who's still living in the Book of Joshua.

48 posted on 02/28/2010 6:25:00 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (LaYehudim haytah 'orah vesimchah; vesason viyqar.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

lol...Theonomic positivist...that is pretty good.

my old former poli sci professor at Ole Miss who had been a WWII Lebensborn orphan sent to the US at the end of the war in an adoption program at aged 8 was well versed in these labels:

theocentric humanist...Socrates, the Bible etc

anthroprocentric humanist...Hobbes...my favorite

messianc humanist....Karl, Fred, Camus-Sartre et al

I often thought I was the second till around age 30 I realized I was very much the first.

The latter being what fuels the left....the quest for the new man as the Godhead.


49 posted on 02/28/2010 8:47:43 PM PST by wardaddy (I'm waiting for Epic Beard Man the movie.)
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To: wendy1946; Neidermeyer

You have to be a northerner or a youngster to talk like that about Jefferson

the context of the times is wholly incomparable.


50 posted on 02/28/2010 8:49:35 PM PST by wardaddy (I'm waiting for Epic Beard Man the movie.)
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