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Running out of juice: Bay Area electric car dealerships close [San Fran]
San Jose Mercury News ^ | 2/26/10 | Janis Mara

Posted on 02/28/2010 10:02:37 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom

Marc Korchin thought he had found his mission in life: to benefit the environment and save his fellow Bay Area residents money by selling zero-emission all-electric cars. Two years later, after burning through his life savings, he was forced to close his Berkeley dealership.

And Korchin is not alone. The Bay Area's independent electric car dealerships are in perilous shape, even as electric cars are being hailed as the next big thing by major auto manufacturers.

A number of dealerships, including Zap of Concord, Davis Electric Cars in Davis and EcoMotors in Santa Rosa, appear to have closed within the last two years or so. Ethical Approach Electric Vehicle Center of San Jose has given up selling electric cars and switched to electric off-road vehicles. ELV Motors, in Santa Clara, now markets electric bikes and motor scooters

The phenomenon extends to dealers of conventional brands who offer electric cars on the side. Anthony Batarse, head of the otherwise-thriving Lloyd Wise dealership in Oakland, purchased 10 electric cars in 2008, sold only three and ceased selling the cars. Alameda's O'Connell Electric, the electric division of successful dealership O'Connell Volvo, is barely surviving, said owner Mike O'Connell.

"From the beginning, they were doomed," said Will Beckett, vice president of the Central Coast chapter of the Electric Auto Association. "You can't take them on the freeway. That's why Marc Korchin and his ilk went out of business," said Ed Thorpe, past president of the East Bay chapter of the Electric Auto Association.

"People would come to my dealership and they would see what the car would and wouldn't do," said Korchin. "I'd say, 'Don't you want to help save the planet?'

They'd say, 'Let someone else save the planet. I want something with good speed.' "

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: automakers; car; climatechange; economy; electric; electriccars; energy; globalwarming; loser; notreadyforprimetime; vehicle
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LOL...even in the San Fran Bay Area, the very heart and soul of lunatic "green" living, people have common sense.

They'd say, 'Let someone else save the planet. I want something with good speed.'"

1 posted on 02/28/2010 10:02:38 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
They'd say, 'Let someone else save the planet. I want something with good speed.'"

ROTFL!!! Great stuff! 500 mile extension cords are hard to find also. Expensive too!

2 posted on 02/28/2010 10:05:41 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("Suitcase Jake" RIP 02-24-10. You were one of a kind good buddy!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Oh, gosh, poor do-gooders, what to do now?? LMAO


3 posted on 02/28/2010 10:06:20 AM PST by gibsosa
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Best news I’ve heard all week! So goes “Air America”, the “MSM”, “newspapers”, global warming participants and now pc car dealers! Can’t force this BS down peoples throats! We won’t buy it! Not even liberals.


4 posted on 02/28/2010 10:06:47 AM PST by albie
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To: albie

What? No bailout for him??


5 posted on 02/28/2010 10:09:12 AM PST by growingpains
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To: albie

bet you you can get a heck of a deal on a official obama green machine.... still though, a damn expensive planter.


6 posted on 02/28/2010 10:09:37 AM PST by himno hero
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
They'd say, 'Let someone else save the planet. I want something with good speed.'"

That's not common sense, thats hypocrisy. These are the same green weenies who always vote for Governor Moonbeam whenever he runs for anything, and who vote for the gov to spend our money so they don't have to spend their own.

7 posted on 02/28/2010 10:11:04 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Finally some good news!


8 posted on 02/28/2010 10:11:18 AM PST by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Facebook
Note his friends.
9 posted on 02/28/2010 10:11:27 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: growingpains
What? No bailout for him??

Most not of been unionized or didn't give any money to the Democrats.

10 posted on 02/28/2010 10:11:38 AM PST by ReformedBeckite
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Right. Electric cars save money by not burning fossil fuels.

And just how does all that electricity get generated?

DUH

And now obyummer and thugs are in charge of the car companies and has such wonderful new ideas to save the planet - such as painting all cars white - or light colors...and making them even flimsier - the thousands of more deaths that will result is a moot point to them - actually, probably a plus: less carbon dioxide breathers.

And they want to paint the roads white and roofs white - to deflect heat. (someone should check up on who has new stocks in white paint.)

11 posted on 02/28/2010 10:11:57 AM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Maybe now he should open a business selling wagon wheels.


12 posted on 02/28/2010 10:12:33 AM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: albie

Librals will buy it if we pay for it.


13 posted on 02/28/2010 10:13:19 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Does 0b0z0 have any friends, who aren't traitors, spies, tax cheats and criminals?)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
They'd say, 'Let someone else save the planet. I want something with good speed.'"

That's they way it goes with these green types. They want everyone else to practice what they preach. Their actions speak volumes: "Living green" is for chumps.

14 posted on 02/28/2010 10:15:59 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Who in their right mind buys and opens a dealership for any brand of car when unemployment is as high as it is and people are not spending money? Did he really think an electric car would take the hills of SF well enough to sell?A fool and their money are soon departed!


15 posted on 02/28/2010 10:16:02 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: maine-iac7
And they want to paint the roads white

As a motorcyclist that scares me. Painted surfaces are like grease when wet; we always avoid pavement markings when it rains.

16 posted on 02/28/2010 10:16:39 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (TSA and DHS are jobs programs for people who are not smart enough to flip burgers)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

17 posted on 02/28/2010 10:17:34 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“Closing?”

#####

Here in St. Louis they never even OPENED.

Does that mean St. Louis is infinitely more sane than San Francisco?


18 posted on 02/28/2010 10:19:14 AM PST by EyeGuy
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To: maine-iac7

Yeah. Paint ‘em white. More fun for the snow plow operators! “Is it a drift, or an electric car that some fool try to operate in this blizzard? Oh well, ‘Thump!Crunch!’”


19 posted on 02/28/2010 10:21:15 AM PST by LRS (Just contracts; just laws; just a constitution...)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

What kind of sissy would be seen in this thing? Seriously, if they can't sell this homomobile in SF, they aren't going to sell it anywhere...furthermore, what would happen to the driver of such a "vehicle" if it was hit by an 18 wheeler? Are we going to have little electric 18 wheelers on the road now too so that the sissy cars don't make red road paint out of their drivers?

Something tells me that the whole "electric car" thing has really been thought through very well..

20 posted on 02/28/2010 10:22:23 AM PST by chris37
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To: FlingWingFlyer; ExTexasRedhead; blackie; JustPiper
Great stuff! 500 mile extension cords are hard to find also. Expensive too!

A driving range of 100 miles (maybe) certainly would not allow for family vacation trips or long range driving. Topping it off, the "Greenies" want to double our electric rates AND gasoline rates. If they think the economy is in a tailspin now, just wait until they begin to foist this upon us!

Electric cars - a definitive guide

Snip: and will have a projected range of 100 miles.

Cap and trade tax would double utility rates, Wilson says

Rates “would double under the cap-and-tax program. Additionally, gasoline costs would double,” he said.

21 posted on 02/28/2010 10:22:55 AM PST by MamaDearest
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To: Slump Tester

Based on his Facebook friends,I suggest the cat litter business.


22 posted on 02/28/2010 10:23:33 AM PST by thethirddegree
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Oh noooooooo loss of green jobs.


23 posted on 02/28/2010 10:25:40 AM PST by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Has anyone ever ventured a guess how much your home electricity bill would go up with the addition of an electric car?


24 posted on 02/28/2010 10:30:10 AM PST by Ditter
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To: MamaDearest
I'll pass on all electric cars, I'll drive my 450HP Ford F150 SVT Lightning:


25 posted on 02/28/2010 10:32:45 AM PST by blackie
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To: chris37

As a quarter million mile motorcyclist I would actually feel
safer on my bike than in this thing. No speed or handling to
avoid an accident, and just enough sheet metal to trap you
if you have one.


26 posted on 02/28/2010 10:33:39 AM PST by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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To: chris37

Electric cars receive their energy from power plants that are controlled by a central authority eventually nationalized.

Electric cars are about control not logic.


27 posted on 02/28/2010 10:39:11 AM PST by egannacht (Inalienable rights granted by...)
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To: Slump Tester

I think you will find your statement more true than ever soon.....if this administration gets their way....we’ll ALL be needing more wagons and wheels....


28 posted on 02/28/2010 10:39:24 AM PST by goodnesswins (Tagline, oh, tagline, whereart thou tagline....)
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To: chris37
At least TWO of those are seen on the road in my little town of less than 5,000 in Southeastern Indiana.

The really odd fact is these phonebooths on wheeels are not cheap!

Any car that can't go at highway speeds for a couple hours before refueling,and can't refuel in 10 minutes or less at thousands of convenient locations is just not suited for 99% of Americans.

29 posted on 02/28/2010 10:40:35 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: chris37

Living in Austin, I’ve seen one or two on the highway. From the back, they look a normal-sized car. It’s when you try to pass one (they can’t keep up with traffic) that you realize how tiny it is. I guess it takes some chutzpah to take on on the highway, but I wouldn’t try it. They ain’t cheap, either!


30 posted on 02/28/2010 10:42:14 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: gibsosa

I was in SF last month. Fun town to visit. Observed a trackless trolly—at least that’s what called them in Phillky when I was a kid. Looks like a bus, but is electrically powered via overhead wires.

At any rate, there was a sign on it bragging that the vehicle did not pollute. I wonder what San Franciscans think generates the juice to make the vehicle move.

If you’re planning to visit SF be prepared for very frequent and aggressive pan handling.


31 posted on 02/28/2010 10:42:47 AM PST by dools007
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To: chris37

Natural gas powered cars would be actually “greener” ,have better range,comfort,safety,use proven technology,and be cheaper to operate.


32 posted on 02/28/2010 10:43:42 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: chris37
What about that Smart car with say...a 2.4L turbo inter cooled ecotech 4 from GM? That would be a rocket and handle like a go-kart. And I believe it would get better mileage than it does now. Oh yeah, that is that go-fast thing again isn't it.
33 posted on 02/28/2010 10:49:22 AM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: blackie
Good looking truck that!
34 posted on 02/28/2010 10:53:09 AM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: hoosierham

“Natural gas powered cars would be actually “greener” ,have better range,comfort,safety,use proven technology,and be cheaper to operate.”

And make a pretty kaboom in an accident. No thanks.


35 posted on 02/28/2010 10:58:43 AM PST by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
LOL...even in the San Fran Bay Area, the very heart and soul of lunatic "green" living, people have common sense

I agree with part of this statement. The part I don't agree with is that people in SF Area have common sense. I've lived here for some time and Bay Area people are among the dumbest creatures walking the earth. The politics here are worst than insane. Nothing gets done quickly or efficiently. The Liberals/Leftists are in control of many institutions and it's frustrating as hell to live in this sea of stupidity. If it were not for the beautiful physical environment and the natural resources that God blessed the area with, this area would be worse than Detriot. It's the most poorly run area this side of New Orleans.

Now as far as electric cars are concerned, there is a fairly limited market. The battery electric vehicle (BEV) can really only be used in areas with moderate climate and as a commute car as well. That's very limiting. But the extended range electric vehicle (EREV) can be a major success. The Chevy Volt will be out in the fall and it's going to really amaze the country. There are going to be doubters on this site who will trash the Volt but most if not all of those folks are ignorant about the car. So I wish people would distinguish between BEV and EREV. EREV has an exciting future and probably many of those who critize it will themselves be driving an EREV in 10 years or less.
36 posted on 02/28/2010 11:04:37 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: All
The Zap Trucks were great commuters.

I reworked them to 96 volts by adding two batteries and replacing the 400 amp controller with a 750 amp.

They would cruise at 60 mph no problem and were quicker off the line than most cars.

I got about 65 mile range of daily driving. The cost was about $15 a month more on the Edison bill.

Drawback was ZAP Motors Inc sucked.

I had orders for over twenty of them and I couldn't get any delivered to me.

I finally just gave up on ZAP.

37 posted on 02/28/2010 11:09:52 AM PST by troy McClure
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
to benefit the environment and save his fellow Bay Area residents money by selling zero-emission all-electric cars.

Three lies in one sentence.

38 posted on 02/28/2010 11:14:44 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("0bama's not just stupid; He’s Jimmy Carter stupid”. - Don Imus)
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To: Squawk 8888
(white roads)

not to mention the glare of the sun - and, in winter, would make ‘black ice’ seem safe in comparison.

Truly, the lunatics are in charge.

39 posted on 02/28/2010 11:17:06 AM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: chris37
I actually parked next to one of these the other day - here in Maine.

Just as I was getting out of my car, the owner came up and as he opened the door of this atrocity, without thinking, I sneered. (Purely involuntary reaction.)

He looked perplexed but stumped as to a reaction - I'm a white haired ole great granny. I guess he thinks of himself as a savior of mankind.

40 posted on 02/28/2010 11:22:02 AM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: chris37
, what would happen to the driver of such a "vehicle" if it was hit by an 18 wheeler? Are we going to have little electric 18 wheelers on the road now too so that the sissy cars don't make red road paint out of their drivers?

My son drives a big rig - what would happen?

Grease spot...not to mention, danger of getting sucked in when passing.

An aside: During the blizzards in DC, the Traitor in Chief was 'grounded' - couldn't take the helicopter and was confined to travel by car. BUT the limo couldn't handle the snow - so he had to ride in a SUV.

DUH!

He should have been handed a pair aof snowshoes

41 posted on 02/28/2010 11:27:24 AM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: chris37

I could put it in the back of my Dodge Ram for a spare if they would put a handle on the top so I could lift it out then put it back when done with it.


42 posted on 02/28/2010 11:27:59 AM PST by bikerman (Buck Farack)
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To: maine-iac7

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! at least that lib moonbat car dealer was brought to reality by losing his money, rather than mine. hahahahahahahahaha!


43 posted on 02/28/2010 11:29:27 AM PST by hal ogen
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To: maine-iac7
Ah, this post made me smile :)

I can completely understand your reaction though. When I see these "cars" on the road, I must take measures to prevent myself from doing this...

44 posted on 02/28/2010 11:29:48 AM PST by chris37
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To: dools007
I wonder what San Franciscans think generates the juice to make the vehicle move.

That's easy. The wall socket.

45 posted on 02/28/2010 11:31:01 AM PST by Erasmus (Armageddon sentimental over you.)
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To: maine-iac7

I completely forgot about the issue of being sucked in or even pushed aside by passing 18 wheelers. There is no way on this earth I would get in one of those tin foil coffins...


46 posted on 02/28/2010 11:32:31 AM PST by chris37
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To: bikerman

That is a really funny mental picture :D


47 posted on 02/28/2010 11:33:33 AM PST by chris37
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To: hoosierham

$35,000 for a twike http://www.twike.us


48 posted on 02/28/2010 11:34:03 AM PST by EVO X
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“’Let someone else save the planet. I want something with good speed.’”

Another great bumper sticker or t shirt slogan.


49 posted on 02/28/2010 11:35:14 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: Nuc1

Thanks, it drives as good as it looks. ;)


50 posted on 02/28/2010 11:37:16 AM PST by blackie
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