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ATF seizes toy guns (Affirmative action hire "Special" Agent puts mag in BACKWARDS).
KOIN Local (Portland Oregaon) ^ | February 27, 2010

Posted on 02/28/2010 12:14:38 PM PST by AAABEST

There's no story at the site, only the video from the Newscast. However, here's a better YouTube version.

This is about the shipment of TOY guns the ATF recently confiscated.

Note that at 1:17, the "Special" Agent is performing a demonstration and tries to put the magazine in BACKWARDS. If he wanted to prove just how "special" he really is, he succeeded magnificently. He also succeeded in adding to the long line of ATF (i.e. FBI rejects) screwups that have made the agency a laughing stock it is today.

The outrageous contention by the ATF that these TOYS can be converted to real weapons is demonstrably absurd, as several gunsmiths and pros have empirically shown already.

They don't call em "F-Troop" for nothin'.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; batfags; simpletons

1 posted on 02/28/2010 12:14:39 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Joe Brower; marktwain

bang


2 posted on 02/28/2010 12:15:17 PM PST by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: TigersEye; Impy; MeekOneGOP; floriduh voter; metmom

Loony left ping.


3 posted on 02/28/2010 12:16:16 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Barack Hussein Obama, mmm, mmm, mmm. [Geniuses don't pick their nose.])
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To: AAABEST

When I was a six year old I used to imagine I could convert my cap guns to shoot real bullets.

Actually a few of them can be converted after a fashion but it strikes me that it would be just as easy to make one from scratch.


4 posted on 02/28/2010 12:21:57 PM PST by yarddog
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To: AAABEST
A.T.F. - After They Fail the test to be a Mall Cop.

Pathetic ... they say that these AirSoft toys could be converted to REAL weapons ... are they serious! Or are they just STUPID!

When they said that the toys being shipped did not have the red tip on them ... I can virtually say with almost 100% certainty that THEY, the ATF, removed the red tips in order to set up a “bust”.

What fools ... the problem is they are dangerous fools and anti-American to boot.

5 posted on 02/28/2010 12:29:26 PM PST by CapnJack
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To: AAABEST

6 posted on 02/28/2010 12:32:56 PM PST by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: CapnJack

Good grief, I have an airsoft pistol to keep the stray cats away. It scares the heeby jeebys out of them, but doesn’t hurt them. It uses a big cheap spring to propel the plastic BB. There is no way in he77 it could be converted to a real gun. To say an airsoft can be converted is about as retarded as you can get.


7 posted on 02/28/2010 12:36:12 PM PST by davetex (Arm up, Ammo up, Practice up, We're on our own.)
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To: AAABEST

I’m still waiting for the ATF to wade into the ‘hoods and disarm the Crips, Bloods, Latin Kings, MS-13, etc.

Yeah, I’m not going to hold my breath.


8 posted on 02/28/2010 12:48:52 PM PST by PLMerite (Ride to the sound of the Guns - I'll probably need help.)
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To: CapnJack

Yeah and the asshats are armed and wanting to use them.


9 posted on 02/28/2010 12:48:59 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: CapnJack

I don't know about you, but I feel safer already!
10 posted on 02/28/2010 12:58:53 PM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

What’s the picture? All I see is a red X?


11 posted on 02/28/2010 1:04:24 PM PST by CapnJack
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To: CapnJack

12 posted on 02/28/2010 1:10:19 PM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Thanks!


13 posted on 02/28/2010 1:10:52 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: AAABEST

The ATF claimed the toy guns were seized because they could be converted to actual machine guns! If they are going to lie like that to cover such a bungled operation, they really need to practice coming up with a better cover story. That lie is pathetic... but I guess it is so very hard for the Feds to ever admit making a mistake.


14 posted on 02/28/2010 1:11:24 PM PST by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: jackibutterfly

Odd thing when I checked the other pic is there and then its not and then its there again and then its gone!


15 posted on 02/28/2010 1:12:06 PM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: AAABEST

The ATF can’t possibly think this can really be converted to a “real” gun, can they?

And these “special” agents make how much per year?


16 posted on 02/28/2010 1:35:46 PM PST by VeniVidiVici ("Bring out yer dead! Bring out your dead!" - Cries of a Navy Corpseman)
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To: AAABEST

I will sleep better at night when these dangerous toy guns are off the street and not in the hands of the ATF. I mean, they might put their eye out!


17 posted on 02/28/2010 1:53:23 PM PST by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: CapnJack

“...are they serious! Or are they just STUPID!”

I have ZERO respect for any civil service person at local, state or federal level. On several occasions, I have worked with federal CS personnel/bureaucrats. IMHO, these are people who have less work ethic and character than their civilian counterparts. Welfare with a desk.


18 posted on 02/28/2010 2:06:06 PM PST by Tahoe3002
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To: PLMerite

Silly person, Crips, Bloods, Latin Kings, and MS-13 are going to be part of Zero’s “civilian” security force, dontchaknow!. Funded as well as DoD!


19 posted on 02/28/2010 2:06:32 PM PST by Fred Hayek (From this point forward the Democratic Party will be referred to as the Communist Party)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Here is a write up by the store owner who had these "weapons" seized. It's a bit long winded, but explains it pretty good detail. I hope someone does a FOIA request and gets the real story on what Customs and ATF did with these.

Straight from the horse's mouth
20 posted on 02/28/2010 2:09:54 PM PST by rickomatic
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To: CapnJack
When they said that the toys being shipped did not have the red tip on them ... I can virtually say with almost 100% certainty that THEY, the ATF, removed the red tips in order to set up a “bust”.

The store owner in the video said that it occasionally happened that a shipment would arrive without the red tip, and they would just paint it red themselves before putting them up for sale.

Anybody with a red-tipped airsoft who didn't want it red could just as easily paint it black.

As far as being convertable to fire real ammo -- a plastic lower receiver is not going to take the stress if they put a real upper on it (even assuming that you COULD attach a real upper, which I doubt)

21 posted on 02/28/2010 2:23:35 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
More firearms challenged morons on video here.

Forensic Expert Dan Austin Explains The Golani .223 Elephant Rifle(Really Dumb GunGrabber)

22 posted on 02/28/2010 2:39:52 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: shooter223
WE do it right up here in Maine

(And the weding gowns are from top California designers!)

This ia a great, old timey, General Store: gas out front, groceries on left, hardware/guns on right, appliances in basement, hunters/sportsmen clothing/boots and wedding gowns upstairs.

I'll take Hussey's to WalMart any day of the year.

Below - one small section of guns area:

ignore gift card lline - it was attached with the gif

23 posted on 02/28/2010 3:12:35 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: AAABEST

“ATF agenst insist that the toys can be converted to military grade firearms... but will not provide documentation unless a Freedom of Information request is filed”.

That is because the idiots at the ATF are LYING through their teeth. It is well known that the ATF doesn’t even have written instructions so the average field agent can tell a machine gun from an ordinary semi-automatic or from a malfunctioning weapon.


24 posted on 02/28/2010 3:18:43 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Truth - Reality through the eyes of God.)
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To: yarddog
When I was a six year old I used to imagine I could convert my cap guns to shoot real bullets.

My brother and I had some Nichols (sp) cap guns..When I was seven, one night at dinner, I stacked 13 of the little round caps in the shell, and fired it at my brother..I was expecting a big bang. What I got was the "bullet" hitting the bar in the front of the barrel, then going back up through the barrel, hitting the hammer, then travelling forward along the side of the gun. It barely missed my brother's head, but did make a hole in the cement block wall in our Wherry Housing abode..

I still remember some satisfaction, at my older brother's screaming, "She tried to kill me. She tried to kill me." I remember that better than the meal I am sure I missed after being sent to my room for being "stupid", and cramming 13 caps into my little derringer.

25 posted on 02/28/2010 3:22:14 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: PLMerite
Could not agree more. I say this often.....Just in case any are reading......

I’m still waiting for the ATF to wade into the ‘hoods and disarm the Crips, Bloods, Latin Kings, MS-13, etc.
26 posted on 02/28/2010 5:01:49 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

ATF agents should be in jail, not getting tax payer dollars to do their unconstitutional dirty work.


27 posted on 02/28/2010 7:29:06 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: Red in Blue PA

Fat *sss chance of that happening!


28 posted on 02/28/2010 7:31:11 PM PST by kcvl
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To: PapaBear3625
As far as being convertable to fire real ammo -- a plastic lower receiver is not going to take the stress if they put a real upper on it (even assuming that you COULD attach a real upper, which I doubt)

Even if you could, there's no hammer or striker in that lower, just an electric motor/pump which provides the air to propel the plastic pellets. After all their are no primers to strike and nothing to ignite in an AirSoft gun.

29 posted on 02/28/2010 11:01:25 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
no hammer or striker in that lower, just an electric motor/pump which provides the air to propel the plastic pellets

Even the more realistic models just have a fake reciprocating "bolt". And apparently some kind of hammer.

But of course that's a $550 toy. You can buy a real lower for about $200, with the parts kit to make it fully functional, and safe.

30 posted on 02/28/2010 11:21:27 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: TigersEye

ROFL!


31 posted on 03/01/2010 1:24:16 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Barack Hussein Obama, mmm, mmm, mmm. [Geniuses don't pick their nose.])
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To: AAABEST

There should be a simple test for this.

The agent(s) claiming the airsoft guns are convertible to full auto firearms get 4 hours in a well equipped workshop. Lower receiver components may be replaced, but the receiver itself may not be modified. After 4 hours, they take the converted weapon to the range and fire a magazine through it in full auto.

Either the rifle gets fired or the agents get fired.


32 posted on 03/01/2010 9:57:40 AM PST by javachip
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To: javachip

Yes and he only gets to wear standard eye and ear protection and ordinary shooting gloves. No flak jacket, no face shield no hiding behind plexiglass.


33 posted on 03/01/2010 12:57:25 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: PapaBear3625

And how do you spell “MORON’??? ~~> B A T F
they’re dumber than a pile of rocks.


34 posted on 03/04/2010 9:01:14 AM PST by lgjhn23
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