Posted on 03/01/2010 6:17:15 AM PST by IntolerantOfTreason
Radovan Karadzic defended the war fought by Bosnian Serbs as a "just and holy" attempt to stop his country being turned into an Islamic state.
Ending a months-long boycott of his genocide trial in The Hague, the former Bosnian Serb leader used a belligerent opening statement this morning to claim that his forces had no choice but to go to war from 1992-95 to "defend the greatness of a small nation" against a Muslim plan to seize power.
"Their aim was 100 per cent power as it was in the Ottoman Empire," said a heavier-looking Dr Karadzic, outlining his defence from the dock of the International Criminal Tribunal for former Yugoslavia (ICTY).
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I too will be listening to see what his defense happens to be. I participated in the air war over Bosnia and watched the smoke plumes rise from numerous villages where the ‘ethnic cleansing’ was happening. I support his efforts to rid his country of Moslem influence, if true, but genocide is indefensible.
The only genocide is the one planned by the Koran.
This may sound a little harsh but I think he was on the right track. In other places Muzzies are burning Churches and hacking up Christians and nobody says a word.
It's one thing to want to keep muslims from attaining power and influence; it's another to intentionally commit genocide against anyone standing in their way. Karadzic and that red-faced psycho Ratko Mladic were reprehensible bastards and both should be put to death in short order. They and their subordinates targeted and murdered a lot of innocent people.
Agreed. The sooner we can purge liberalism from our government, the sooner we too can act on the growing threat of Islam within our borders. I bet Karadzic didn’t have a Demoncrat congress to undermine his country at every step like we do.
Stop it! You’re making sense!
10-4. It’s one thing to stand up against what amounted to an invasion. It’s another to kill innocents.
Thanks. People forget the Bosnian Serbs targeted not only muslims but Croats as well. I read a lot of intel reports about Karadzic and Mladic -- they were nothing more than leaders of a murderous gang.
To this day, I still do not understand the US/NATO war on Serbia.
The country was disintegrating regardless, If Europeans felt their security was hurt, they should have taken the lead, the Cold War was long over and Russia was a basket-case, and we set up safe-havens for radical Muslims.
What did Clinton gain to make him do this?
BTTT
>> It’s one thing to want to keep muslims from attaining power and influence; it’s another to intentionally commit genocide against anyone standing in their way
That doesn’t make sense.
The West was sent a thank you card postmarked 9/11,sent via air mail delivery, ironically from followers of the religion of "peace" it sought to appease.
I made these comements way back when the U.S. air war against Christians began, and I stand by them today.
I agree with Bismarck, “The Balkans are not worth the bones of a single Pomeranian Grenadier.”
He would have a fairly compelling and interesting argument is he had not tried to commit genocide. Rewriting history is not going to help his cause. It wasn’t that long ago where everyone has forgotten the atrocities he committed. I think he’s now using the war on terror and the current takeover by Muslims in Europe to try to gain some sympathy.
I think liberals are a threat to this country, but I have no intention of hopping in an APC, driving it to the University of Wisconsin, burning it down, and displacing the students and faculty to Canada.
I find it amusing how often “my” side falls for enemy propaganda...in a propaganda war.
So lets say Radovan did get a little crazy...in defense of his family, faith, and country. I bet he didn’t firebomb Dresden. I bet he didn’t nuke Nagasaki.
So the descendants of a people who JUSTLY killed enemy civilians think this guy was out of line because he MAYBE killed a (comparatively) few civilians. You think our bombers were picking targets or do you think carpet bombing was to shock the populace into compliance?
And you sit here on your computer, in the safety provided by our ancestors, who WERE willing to use the required measures...and you criticize this man for doing what he felt was necessary. lol. lol at all of you tools who criticize him. Go join your Mohammedan brothers. May you see a table cloth wrapped with a fan belt outside your window one day, screaming for your land and family. Make sure your response is appropriate. We wouldn’t want to judge you harshly.
And if anyone takes it this way, this isn’t a criticism of Dresden or Nagasaki. It is a defense of our actions there. We should have carpet bombed Islam into submission years ago, just like we steamrolled the Nazis and the Nips.
The logic in the statement doesn’t make sense to me - specifically, the subject of the second clause:
“it’s another to intentionally commit genocide against anyone standing in their way”
You’re confused. I am not criticising this man’s actions. I think they may well have been justified, and once we get a real conservative in power we might do well to follow suit to deal with the Mudslime threat before it’s too late.
What’s illogical about it?
That wasn’t directed at you. As I said, it was directed at the people who are criticizing him and his actions.
In case you haven’t realized this yet, in case you’re confused...people who want to reply to the thread in general...the thread you posted...reply to you, as the poster. It may or may not be directed at you, however, replying to “1” is a custom here for those who are addressing the thread in general.
For starters you’re misreading ‘Islam’ as ‘Iran’ in the post you’re replying to. Islam is a clear and present danger to the existence of America, and we should take off the kid gloves. No more Muslims within our borders.
So there is no war between Islam and the West? Iran isn’t a militant Islamic country looking for nukes...as we speak? Saudi Arabia doesn’t fund terrorism? Yemen doesn’t harbor them?
Good to know, will all the heads magically reattach themselves or are we going to have to sew them on manually?
I haven’t had any coffee yet. Help me out. Distinguish ‘anyone’ from ‘their’.
Reading this again, I just have to LOL again.
Using your logic, we shouldn’t have bombed Dresden or really any German city/occupied territory, because would we be trying to kill Hitler or the members of the Valkyrie plot/thousands of partisans...(insert hand wring here).
If only we had had you, to distinguish the “good” Germans and the “good” Japs from the bad ones. Think of all the bombs we could have saved.
“He definitely links ‘Islam’ to all the Islamic countries to include Iran and he wrote the post I replied to.”
Can you believe I link Islam to all the Islamic countries? What possible connection could they share? No wonder you got your dander up. This is a brilliant point.
“Not all majority Islamic nations have Sharia law. Iraq is shaping into a democracy. Something I believe a lot of just people in these countries want.”
Let me tell you something a real smart man said once, buddy. People get the gov they deserve. If Persians wanted democracy, they’d have had democracy at some point in their 2500 years of existence. But nope, their history is 2500 years of dictators. Now you make nice with them.
I have always thought that Serbia deserved a break for its aid and sacrifices in WWII.
And I’ve always had a sneaking suspicion that they were right or at least fighting the right enemy.
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What did Clinton gain?
Given his track record of dirty dealings with foreign powers — my guess is he gained a nice fat deposit into one of his Swiss bank accounts.
Under Clinton, Albania went from a terrorist state where our ships were ordered not to enter their port to our new best friends.
If there is something to understand it’s clearly beyond my ken.
We happened to install one of those dictators you mentioned. I happen to think that the Shah was overall good for the people but again not all countries have been given the opportunity to choose their form of government. Right now, the people of Iran are attempting to assert their will and you think it might be a good idea to bomb them into the stone age? We should be assisting them to overthrow their illegitimate government not give them a good reason to hate us.
You yourself continued to link Islam to all these countries in post 25. I merely asked you a question. If you are not linking Islam to all of these Islamic countries, then pray tell who are we supposed to be carpet bombing? You know, the ones you refer to as “Islam”?
Albania is a bit different than Kosovo.
Like most ex-Communist states, Albanians who suffered under Communism are actually grateful for the US.
One of the silver linings to the 40+ years of Communist rule in Albania, is that the regime pretty much destroyed Islam in Albania, where today it is pretty much a non-factor.
In Kosovo, it’s a bit different, because the Tito regime did not crack down nearly as hard on religion.
And so now, you have a situation where the Kosovars believe they should be the rulers of all of the Greater Albania.
Whereas, people in Albania, want nothing to do with this.
Thanks. That makes sense.
“It’s one thing to want to keep muslims from attaining power and influence; it’s another to intentionally commit genocide against anyone standing in their way”
I meant... in the Serbs’ way. I didn’t sufficiently clarify my point.
“What did Clinton gain?
Given his track record of dirty dealings with foreign powers — my guess is he gained a nice fat deposit into one of his Swiss bank accounts.”
And a fresh intern to be named later.
That’s cool. BTW, I agree.
There is something of an ominous ring to your statement. For the attitude of the average Joe out there would be to say "just watch anyone try". However any actions that directly would arouse a general call to action, are not usually taken by those who seek to destroy the Constitution.
It is usually by suborning the public with political correctness. Then when bad things happen, little is done. Witness the forays of absolute outrage at airports and within the educational system. Years ago, drastic action would have been taken on the spot. Persons playing games told to depart from whence they came.
Two Canadian lawyers attempted to bring action with regard to Nato bombing in Kosovo 1999. Without success. The website still stands. Titled "Louise Arbour. Unindicted War Criminal". Arbour is some sort of UN Human Rights Commissioner. 200,000 Serbs were expelled in the Balkans at one time within the last 15 years.
The scary thing is and before anyone laughs, the bold statements being made by those cretins in Britain and Europe, are of arrests. Yes, true these statements are shrugged aside. The fact is that American former leaders have cancelled trips to Europe, over these "puny threats". I believe in France and Spain, possibly the UK.
I have never approved of "taking the law into one's own hands". What would happen if the UN people got enough clout to infringe on the rights of an American citizen, in America?
I hope it does not come to that.
Our government had to redefine “terrorist” so that we could support the formerly blacklisted KLA.
I like your post. The only real rule of war is to win - no matter what. The rest is just idle chatter.
The Serbs lost the war and have paid a steep price.
There are only two truths about war that I know of, neither or which judge it right or wrong.
War is hell, and the victors write it’s history (mostly).
I also believe there can be things that are worse than war, and (no judgments here either) among them are living under dictators, surrendering a people’s identity, and surrendering to invasion.
The problem in the former Yugoslavia was that the position of “surrendering a people’s identity” was relative, to each of the major ethnic groups throughout the former Yugoslavia, with each - Croat, Serb and Kosovar seeking to carve a “pure” enclave out of the whole, and to encapsulate - territorially - all “their own”, where ever they were.
The Kosovar Albanians were no less hopefully domineering in their aims, for “their” area, but being the militarily “weaker” of the groups, they were given the international public relations role of “underdog”. For the Serbs, one can almost wish THEY had been the weaker force, because my own beliefs are that if that had been the case, that the Kosovar Albanian leaders would have been the ones now on trial in the Hague.
The problem - “a people’s identity” - did not evaporate in the Soviet Union or in the former Yugoslavia (by socialist re-engineering), and it will not go away in the states drawn from the former Yugoslavia, simply by force of the current international brokered results.
Why not?
Now consider the press today. We have literally a mass view of certain American politicians. These are the ones that the press decides to damn. Where are the rational and objective views of say, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney and Sarah Palin? No I am not talking of the internet. The press had their "Hitler" . He had no recourse as have the people mentione. How are we to know the absolute truth about the man?
Throughout the attack by Nato, the hiss of female news persons was evident. "Ethnic cleansing" repeated over and over again. How are we to know the true scope of what this man did? Does anyone think we are going to be told.
We were told of 100,000 dead in mass graves. Over and over.
The Spanish Red Cross has stated that the so-called mass graves unearth about 3000 bodies. This is bad enough. Both Clintons stand guilty. They will never be brought to book.
We buckled, and our weakness and lack of resolve was shown to the world when we failed to roll to Baghdad during the first Gulf War.(REMEMBER COLON BOWEL?)
The “mercy” signal we sent was received by the thug Arabs and all the worlds evil doers as weakness, as an inability to go for the throat.
That wrong message has translated into unrelenting attempted advances by mudlimes worldwide.
Trepca - the name will live alongside those of Belsen, Auschwitz and Treblinka”
The above is from an old article. It was completely a fake. Do you think anybody remembers it now? Did anybody retract it in headlines equal to the original accusation?
The Serbs are the designated guilty party. You have pointed out some of the press failings. There are literally hundreds like this and it continues today with the kangaroo court in the Hague and reporters looking up the ‘history’ of the whole Yugoslav mess in their own archives — written by sensationalists who already had their minds made up — Serbs in black hats, Muslims in white. The Serbs were not the Nazis in all this but we love to use the term. It’s never ending. Today the only ethnically mixed country from ALL the former Yugoslav republics as of today is Serbia. Genocide? Serbs did not want an ethnically pure country — they simply did not dare risk being a MINORITY in a Muslim or a Croatian country (Nazi allies in WW2 — look it up)where they had been murdered in the hundreds of thousands along with Jews and Gypsies. Am I carrying on too long? I hope this stirs somebody to think more deeply on the topic.
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